joesaysso wrote:Ok, so lets get this straight........3rd parties are now "upgrading" other 3rd parties' products? And this isn't a joke? I'm speechless. I don't know whether to laugh out loud or tremble in fear of where the 3rd party market is going to end up. When's the $1000 3rd party Fort Max coming out? And then the $200 Crazy Devy Head-Master upgrade follow up?
joevill wrote:Yay! At least it is not an add-on for an add-on. Even if I had Hercules I would not get it. After my recent experience with Crazy Devy's parts I refuse to buy anymore of their products.
Gauntlet101010 wrote:I WAS all over this until I noticed it site way too far back in their promo photo. Screw that. I want a toon accurate visored head, but I want it to be as perfect as possible. Getting that, but having it sit at the back of "Hook" is just trading one problem for another. So, until I see a review showing me that this can sit on "Hook's" ball joint AND work, I won't pick it up.
Rated X wrote:It doesnt get any more G1 cartoon than this.
Rated X wrote:The current Hercules head sucks.
Rated X wrote:Now you get a chance to own a head that is cartoon accurate. Whats the problem ???
Rated X wrote:And if it is too small, whats wrong with getting a little head ???
Rated X wrote:Gauntlet101010 wrote:I WAS all over this until I noticed it site way too far back in their promo photo. Screw that. I want a toon accurate visored head, but I want it to be as perfect as possible. Getting that, but having it sit at the back of "Hook" is just trading one problem for another. So, until I see a review showing me that this can sit on "Hook's" ball joint AND work, I won't pick it up.
The picture looks decieving, but the narrative clearly states "can be fully hidden inside of Dr. Crank's body". You cant fit the new head without removing the old one right ? So obviously the new head attaches to Dr. Crank. We can only speculate if they included new joint system to attach it. But I cant see why they would waste money to create a new joint system when they could just KO the old one or just give us the head which fits the current ball joint. I bet if they created a new joint system the price would be $40. So Im guessing this photo is an early test shot without the head being attached. Just my take on it.
Counterpunch wrote:Looks mad-shitty on Herc.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Mkall wrote:Rated X wrote:It doesnt get any more G1 cartoon than this.
I hated the G1 headRated X wrote:The current Hercules head sucks.
Not to me. It matches the asthetics perfectly.Rated X wrote:Now you get a chance to own a head that is cartoon accurate. Whats the problem ???
The fact that it's cartoon accurate is the problem.Rated X wrote:And if it is too small, whats wrong with getting a little head ???
Rated X wrote:This is actually more like a 3rd party "fix" than an upgrade. TFC went all out with a fairly cartoon accurate Neo Devastator.
Rated X wrote:This new head gives the fans what we really wanted to begin with.
Rated X wrote:This is actually more like a 3rd party "fix" than an upgrade. TFC went all out with a fairly cartoon accurate Neo Devastator. But some rocket scientist at TFC decided to give him a more toy accurate head. This new head gives the fans what we really wanted to begin with. Not some cheap clip on visor. Hopefully more will follow such as:
KO purple Mixmaster barrel
Toy accurate guns for the individual bots (cartoon accurate guns would all look the same)
Toy accurate Devastator gun with the bananna clip (last on my list, but would be cool)
joesaysso wrote:Rated X wrote:This is actually more like a 3rd party "fix" than an upgrade. TFC went all out with a fairly cartoon accurate Neo Devastator. But some rocket scientist at TFC decided to give him a more toy accurate head. This new head gives the fans what we really wanted to begin with. Not some cheap clip on visor. Hopefully more will follow such as:
KO purple Mixmaster barrel
Toy accurate guns for the individual bots (cartoon accurate guns would all look the same)
Toy accurate Devastator gun with the bananna clip (last on my list, but would be cool)
You know, your statement actually is a real good display of the current sad state of affairs that is the 3rd party market and the collector's thought process.
When pics of Herc were released, I was disappointed with the garbage head he came with along with some of the color flaws, such as his not purple mixing barrel and the general over-use of black. With the hefty price tag, I decided that the flaws, while admittedly minor, were a deal breaker. Because for 600 bucks, the figure should be perfect. That price tag represents a small investment.
But you, by your own words, and I'm sure many, many others, happily gave away $600 of your money for a figure that, while awesome, you weren't 100% satisfied with. Simply because you are a "collector" and this figure was a "must-have." Thusly, by spending the money, you gave a pass to the company for their outlandish pricing and poor QC process. And by spending even more money with additional 3rd party "fixes", you give a pass for the first company for not getting it quite right the first time and opening the door for more 3rd party profit with the upgrades.
Now, I'm not telling anybody how to spend their money. If you've got the cash to spend then so be it. I've made my choices on 3rd party products and I have no regrets. My point is that the 3rd party market is so broken right now and the collectors are making it worse. Because they are feeding into the overgrown monster.
Collectors justify the existence of 3rd party by saying that it gives collectors what they want, that they know they won't get from Has/Tak. Fine. And I say that the 3rd parties are screwing you and collectors are happily bending over for it.
I mean c'mon man! You just spent 600 bucks on a figure that needed "fixes" and your happily getting back in line to dump even more money into that same figure. Wake up! You got screwed over. Some of the collectors are just as out of control as the 3rd party to makers.
Rated X wrote:I really got to bring up a couple of points to the haters...
It doesnt get any more G1 cartoon than this. The current Hercules head sucks. Now you get a chance to own a head that is cartoon accurate. Whats the problem ??? If it was too big, it wouldnt fit inside Dr. Crank, now would it ??? And if it is too small, whats wrong with getting a little head ???
I have never bought a Crazydevy product before, but this will be my first. After spending $600, whats another $25 ??? Nobody who owns Hercules should be complaining about the price of this head.
bfett88 wrote:
Why so much hate?
First I feel that Herc is perfect the way it is. However I feel a new head is not a fix it is just an addition. The head gives it two very different looks. Herc is the centerpiece of my collection and is amazing in person. Also $100 a figure seems to be the standard now. Look at the new RC coming out or the new Megatron. For $600 you get 6 amazing figures. These are somthing Hasbro will never give collectors. They had thier opprotunity with Bruticus and the Fansproject version is still far superior. Hasbro just doesn't care, and about the QC issues??? Honestly not that big of a deal because TFC was awsome to give replacement parts.
joesaysso wrote:My personal feelings are that collectors are not getting their money's worth from the 3rd party market. Sure, there is some pretty awesome figures that are out, but at inflated prices. And those inflated prices drop the value of the overall package.
bfett88 wrote:I personally feel that the third party companies would no exist if Hasbro had any idea what they were doing. They hardly ever give collectors what they really want. However their Star Wars division knows how to give their fans what they want.
bfett88 wrote:I have no issue paying $100 for a quality third party figure if it is something I want. Hercules is an amazing figure in person. I have no regrets spending the $600 on it because it is so amazing. In the end I would rather spend money on something that makes me happy. You can't take the money with you when you die . I would like an amazing Devestator that I will have until the day I die instead of an extra $600.
joesaysso wrote:Its not hate. I didn't spend my money so I have nothing to be upset about. I'll call it awareness.
I'm aware of the fact that for $600, it should have come with the right head. Hell, really it should have come with two heads so you can choose which you want to display. I'm aware of the fact that I would be upset that I had to pay additional money to make my $600 investment the figure that I want it to be.
And the QC issues that TFC was awesome enough to give replacement parts for....Again, it didn't partake in these figures so I am only speaking from hear-say and not experience, but as I understand it, they didn't give anything, you had to spend the extra $100 for the next figure in the line to get the parts that you needed. That doesn't sound like an awesome way of handling it to me. Where I would be furious, you called them awesome.
I'm not trying to be a hater nor am I trying to kill the buzz of the lastest centerpiece of anybody's collection. Quite frankly, if you spent the $600 on the figure, I wish that you'd be simply happy and overjoyed when the figure finally showed up. But the mere existence of a 3rd party upgrade/fix to another 3rd party figure and the reception that its getting suggests otherwise.
As a collector myself, I would think that this sequence of events would upset a lot of other collectors. But what I am seeing, especially when it comes to the 3rd party market is a "bend over and happily take it" attitude from the collector masses.
My personal feelings are that collectors are not getting their money's worth from the 3rd party market. Sure, there is some pretty awesome figures that are out, but at inflated prices. And those inflated prices drop the value of the overall package. I look at my shelf right now and see that for the price of my TRU MP Grimlock, you could not get any of your unofficial constructicons. I look at my RTS Cyclonus and wonder if voyager sized 3rd party Megatron is going to be $80 worth better than him. I highly doubt it.
Yet, there is already a line to pre-order the thing. $100 for the figure, $15-$20 for shipping, and what another $7-$10 for the reprolabels? C'mon, thats ridiculous. But it will sell, in abundance. And the next time the company wants to do another "favorite" transformer they can charge a little bit more for it. And the collectors will keep paying it. How much for a G1 accurate Shockwave? $120? Where's the limit?
Don't think it happens that way? Guess again, it already has. Warbot defender was $80 when it was released. Even back then I thought that price was stupid given how ugly that figure is. Look at Crazy Devy. They set the 3rd party world on fire with the first release of their Devy upgrades. And with each subsequent release, you got a little bit less product for a little bit more money.
As a collector, I'm upset abot these things but clearly I am the minority. Thats fine I guess, I'd rather have my money. But I promise, the 3rd party market will get worse before it gets better if the collectors continue to suck up all of the crap that it offers.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
joesaysso wrote:And the QC issues that TFC was awesome enough to give replacement parts for....Again, it didn't partake in these figures so I am only speaking from hear-say and not experience, but as I understand it, they didn't give anything, you had to spend the extra $100 for the next figure in the line to get the parts that you needed. That doesn't sound like an awesome way of handling it to me. Where I would be furious, you called them awesome.
joesaysso wrote:And the QC issues that TFC was awesome enough to give replacement parts for....Again, it didn't partake in these figures so I am only speaking from hear-say and not experience, but as I understand it, they didn't give anything, you had to spend the extra $100 for the next figure in the line to get the parts that you needed. That doesn't sound like an awesome way of handling it to me. Where I would be furious, you called them awesome.
-Kanrabat- wrote:YEah, too many Transformers are in a serious need of a good rim job.
Blast Cannon wrote:This thread is brilliant. Duragrip you are a gloriously weird sexual deviant and I love it.
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