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I'd give this to the Dinobots. Though if Predaking...



Then again, there's the Beast so Dinobots.

MercilessOne wrote:I'd give this to the Dinobots. Though if Predaking...



Then again, there's the Beast so Dinobots.

The Beast is not considered canon (as in there is no continuity on going or leading to it) and is more in line to a Marvel series "what if" issue. Given the equivalent, if not surpassing, comrodery of the Predacons, there overall faster reaction times, and the enumerated predatory prowess of there leader, I can see Predaking being formed.

Swoop seemingly can not beat Divebomb (otherwise he would still be called Divebomb) This leads to an immediate two on one attack on Grimlock. The speed which the tide would turn, and there missing two tactical members, leaves Grimlock returning to the fray to late to save his team.

The Predacons would likely need to lick there wounds, but they'ld likely take Swoop's wing with them as a trophy.

Yeah, I agree. The Predacons take this, but it's tough. The Dinobots seem to be very Grimlock-dependant, like without him the other bots are ships without rudders. Plus, people say PRedaking is over rated, and I think the Dinobots are over-rated, so I'll pick anyone over the Dinobots. Well, almost anyone.

uhhh this was already done in the UK comic, the preds wasn't able to form predaking

Optimus Primevil wrote:uhhh this was already done in the UK comic, the preds wasn't able to form predaking

Didn't it end in a stalemate? And I think the rematch of the Divebombs ended in a stalemate too. But that just means that Swoop can't beat Divebomb.

Divebomb's proven to have been a match for Swoop in the past. And although their fighting styles would conflict alot I think that Grimlock would do a decent amount of damage to Razorclaw a seemingly one sided fight. Until Razorclaw strikes out with a series of crippling blows to Grimlock who was lulled into a false sense of security. Slag would cancel out Tantrum as Tantrum would either ignite or explode most likely killing both however Slag attacked him, and if they charged each other it would also result in an explosion, Tantrum's a fueler after all. Rampage could kill Snarl with help from one of the other remaining Predacons. And a combined effort would help Headstrong take out Sludge.

That's assuming they don't form Predaking. If they form Predaking the Dinobots as a unit are barely capable of stalemating Devastator. And Devastator is the prototype Gestalt. The technology is significantly more evolved by the time the Predacons came around. And in the American continuity they are the end all be all to Gestalts.

divebomb beat swoop twice i think. overall though the predacons arnt really as dangerous as their given credit for. if its during a sunny day snarl is second only to grimlock, and sludge is freakishly strong. slag is still very strong, but hes the weakest of them not counting swoop. the predacons are fairly strong, and fairly fast, but their just not strong enough to do the damage to win this fight.

razorclaw would be a problem, but the others just dont have enough to win. dizebomb would take out swoop, but by the time he had the predacons would probably be down one or two members, leaving one or two dinobots able to transform and start taking shots at him. grimlock and razorclaw would be a cool fight. i think razorclaw would win in animal mode. all grimlock can really do is bite, and swing his tail, razorclaw is too fast, and if he got on grimlocks shoulders he would be pretty unmovable. so grimlock would take him out in robot mode. if the predacons could transform i think predaking would probably win the fight. hes overrated, but hes still one of the strongest gestalt, and hes fast.

so dinobots vs predacons, dinobots win. but dinobots vs predaking, predaking wins.

i wouldn't be too comfortable about the preds having the advantage once they combine, sure the dinobot-construction feud(?) is at a stalemate and that devastator took down 3 of the dinobots in the movie but it took one spear/gore from slag to take him down (but not out)




the beast for the win

Everybody's talking about Swoop vs. Divebomb, but let's be serious. Swoop vs. Divebomb wouldn't decide this fight. This fight would come down to Grimlock vs. Razorclaw. The rest of the dinos/preds would be squaring off and all...but it would be the leaders that decided it. If this were a to-the-death type battle, we'd see both teams walking away with a few less members...and both Grimlock and Razorclaw spending a good amount of time in the repair bay. Personally, I think this one'd be a draw.

i think everyones talking about swoop vs divebomb because its the only thing about this fight we have evidence on. divebomb can beat swoop. and having aerial support can be a big deal when your on the ropes. if razorclaw was in a position to really do some damage swoop could turn the tide simply by breaking them up it a well placed shot, and same with divebomb. neither can win the fight, but they will be able to give their side an advantage.

i dont think it can simply be decided by the leaders. whoever wins out of grimlock and razorclaw is going to be heavily damaged. so a battle worn razorclaw who can hardly limp vs 3 dinobots in fairly good condition isnt going to be much of a fight. and a critically injured grimlock wouldnt be able to beat four predacons in good shape.

can anyone provide links to that issue so we can judge for ourselves what happened there (i know the issue was primarily about divebomb and swoop and grimlock but i don't think the remaining preds and dinos were sipping tea and eating biscuits while those two fliers were dogfighting each other)

Me_Grimlock_King wrote:Everybody's talking about Swoop vs. Divebomb, but let's be serious. Swoop vs. Divebomb wouldn't decide this fight. This fight would come down to Grimlock vs. Razorclaw. The rest of the dinos/preds would be squaring off and all...but it would be the leaders that decided it. If this were a to-the-death type battle, we'd see both teams walking away with a few less members...and both Grimlock and Razorclaw spending a good amount of time in the repair bay. Personally, I think this one'd be a draw.

Due solely on your avatar and site handle, and that I can follow your train of thought, I'm willing to agree with you on this being the likeliest out come. As to deciding factors see UU

To amend my last post: While both leaders would likely limp a way, I think the casualties of each the teams being Swoop(possible pow), and Tantrum, with Slag and Headstrong being dragged away in crit being a deciding factor of a technical win.

After the leaders, I think Rampage and Snarl are the most potentially dangerous and skilled. Sludge is just too dumb to die and the biggest mech on the field, while Divebomb is the hardest to hit once he takes Swoop out of the sky let alone out of the battle.

Notice Predaking will be inoperative due to this fight for some time.

UU wrote:I think everyone's talking about Swoop vs Divebomb because its the only thing about this fight we have evidence on. Divebomb can beat Swoop; and having aerial support can be a big deal when your on the ropes. If Razorclaw was in a position to really do some damage Swoop could turn the tide simply by breaking them up it a well placed shot, and same with Divebomb. Neither can win the fight, but they will be able to give their side an advantage.

I don't think it can simply be decided by the leaders. Whoever wins out of Grimlock and Razorclaw is going to be heavily damaged. So a battle worn Razorclaw who can hardly limp vs 4 dinobots in fairly good condition isn't going to be much of a fight; and a critically injured Grimlock wouldn't be able to beat four Predacons in good shape.

I think I see were you're going too and it is very true. The only mech i can see making a devestating return once downed would be Snarl given his sunny disposition. Also Razorclaw would not look to start a fight with the Dinos in the sun because of this. The Dinobots are fairly high profile so it would depend on who initiated the fight and not weather razorclaw knew Snarl's abilities. Each team should already be somewhat familiar with the other.

here is how i see this lining up

grim v razorclaw (UU's right this would be cool and close)
slag* v rampage (both are gunners; pred has speed)
snarl v tantrum* (both have energy reserves; pred's is explosive and internal)
swoop v divebomb (pred favored to win; dino would loose flight ability)
sludge** v headstrong** (both have weakest personality; slugde is tougher but dumber)

I've always had doubts on the dinobot's firepower. If G1 techspecs are accurate (which they are not) then this tips in the preds favor. I think the DW bios should be the deciding factor here.

grim and razo = Draw UU put it best though, long term and solo fight would go to Grimlock.

slag and rampage = I think Rampage, slag is considered the weakest of the ground based dinos with TMNT Ralph's bad personality. There won't be time to kill him though.

snarl and tantrum = Calm before the storm. Up close a sunny snarl would win, if tantrum kept his distance though... or fought him just before dawn it would be close. whoever wins would assume the other is dead, Snarl might be right. Though since even demi electric fields might not hold snarl at bay, the desert loaner is favored to win long term.

swoop and divebomb = I don't know how long it would take to get swoop incapable of flight but that will happen and seems the best senario the dinos can reasonably hope for. Swoop does have a sword and pistol though...

sludge and headstrong = big and realy dimb or preds weakest with a lot of will and a little wit. headstrong can keep the edge in a sword fight due to his disfraction sword same in rhino form with his horn. If slugde uses his quake making stomp they both are screwed. headstrong has interesting firepower. This seems to be a draw here, but long term headstrong would go down in a solo fight. sludge might be able to drag himself out of whatever calamity he creates but headstrong would not.

All the Preds are faster than there Dino counterparts but the dinos are more durable and likely stronger. Intelegence has to count for something as it is obviously, a side from Grim and Swoop, in the preds favor.

If predaking is formed tantrums electric feild is kicked into overdrive making physical assault difficult, but not impossible, for the dinobots while his fuel tanks would be distribute to his fellow warriors. The additional gunports added to the gestalt frame would allow for there individual weapons and morter feet to make short work of any dinobot should his fraction of a second reaction time choose to target an individual foe. Truely the combiner form is stronger, and still possibly faster, than any of his individual opponents (execept a flying swoop)

With this thought, I think the dinobot's only hope is to keep Predaking as five Predacons. If Predaking is formed it likely means one Dinobot was already downed, if not out, and soon more will follow.

OPevil, I don't have the issue myself but the TFwiki (not TFs on wiki) might have a page discussing it.

I've got the issue but cant post it sorry,
Here is the run down of what happens.

Grimlock takes out Razorclaw relatively easily and with no major damage.
Sludge is shown fighting Rampage and Grimlock mentions he will wear Rampage down being too stupid to admit defeat.
Slag took out headstrong and Snarl beat Tantrum.
Swoop was being beaten by Divebomb until he made it look like divebomb was attacking Grimlock, Grim then picked up a sword and swatted Divebomb from the sky and had throttled him and was about to crush him under a boulder when swoop asked him to spare his life.
Grimlock was shown to be more than capable of taking 2 predacons on and apart from Swoop the other dinobots seemed to have no trouble.
Grimlock is what tips this fight, Razorclaw is good, perhaps the best Gestalt team leader, but he is not in Grimlocks class.

If Snarl has a full solar charge, he becomes ten times stronger. Dinobots beat Predaking and win!