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Re: Discussion on Next Transformers Film after Bumblebee

Postby OptimalOptimus2 » Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:22 pm

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Unicron has the potential of being a great, intimidating villain if written correctly. I agree with the Thanos comment. Thanos in Infinity War was an exceptional, powerful, and even at times a relatable character. I enjoyed every scene with him for he had such the presence. All it takes to do a successful Transformers movie with Unicron is to write the movie well. I'm afraid that people tend to forget that what is placed on writing influences the aesthetic of a film (along with the director of course).
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Re: Discussion on Next Transformers Film after Bumblebee

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Re: Discussion on Next Transformers Film after Bumblebee

Postby Silverwing » Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:21 pm

carytheone wrote:What if the TF movieverse does take the Marvel approach to revealing Unicron? So that's at least 10 spin-off movies/sequels of world building with little hints dropped in the end credits. Then a big push to confront the threat with, let's say combiners, city bots or something. Unicron transforms and smashes them. Then we spend an hour and half with Bee/Hot Rod/whoever and a few humans traversing Unicron's innards fighting "antibodies" to blow up his brain. I don't know, doesn't sound like good movie viewing to me. But hey, at least the humans interact with him :-?



Well, Armada did almost exactly that and it turned out pretty well! To further the comparison, we could have Unicron speak through a herald like Sideways, to make conversations with him a bit more manageable than a speck shouting at a planet.
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Travis Knight talks about what could be next after the Bumblebee Movie

Postby Wolfman Jake » Wed Dec 12, 2018 12:34 am

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The latest film in the long-running Transformers live action movie franchise, Bumblebee, is still more than a week away from its U.S. theatrical debut (December 21, 2018), but that isn't stopping anyone from talking about what's NEXT for this particular branch of the franchise! ScreenRant writer Sandy Schaefer reports that if Travis Knight, director of the Bumblebee movie, has anything to say about it, it could be a fully CGI-based movie set entirely on Cybertron! If you've been keeping up on the buzz about the Bumblebee movie, and have been watching the teasers and trailers, you probably know that there is a prologue scene set on Cybertron beginning the Bumblebee film, depicting the legendary struggle of the Autobots versus the Decepticons, featuring many familiar characters sporting some VERY G1-inspired looks. Travis Knight told ScreenRant that he was thrilled to bring this glimpse of Cybertron's fall to the movie, paying homage to how the original 1984 cartoon series began in its pilot episode. Knight went on to say that he included these scenes in the movie, because that is the kind of Transformers movie he's always wanted to see himself.

Very little about the next Transformers movie is known at this point, but things are looking good for Travis Knight taking on another Transformers passion project if the early reviews on Bumblebee are to be believed (spoiler: they're great!). How do you feel about the prospect of a completely CGI-driven Transformers movie, without Earth, without humans? We've been told for years that Transformers media needs human characters to remain relatable. Will Paramount and Hasbro let Travis Knight put that to the test? Tell us what you think of the possibilities for "Transformers 6" in the comments below, and as always, stay tuned to Seibertron.com for the latest news on all things Transformers!

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Re: Discussion on Next Transformers Film after Bumblebee

Postby Bry Zilla » Wed Dec 12, 2018 1:22 am

That would be amazing. Would love to see a gritty CGI movie like that. Especially while a lot of the G1 voice cast is still able to reprise some of the roles. Which on a side note I blows my mind a little that Hasbro hasn’t just over dubbed the Headmasters and released it. Would have worked well with Prime Wars series.

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Re: Discussion on Next Transformers Film after Bumblebee

Postby ZeroWolf » Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:17 am

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Bry Zilla wrote:That would be amazing. Would love to see a gritty CGI movie like that. Especially while a lot of the G1 voice cast is still able to reprise some of the roles. Which on a side note I blows my mind a little that Hasbro hasn’t just over dubbed the Headmasters and released it. Would have worked well with Prime Wars series.

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I think if they move forward with a Cybertron set movie, they should stick with the voice cast they've used for the Bumblebee Cybertron scene. It'll be good for continuity :)
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Re: Discussion on Next Transformers Film after Bumblebee

Postby Deadput » Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:02 am

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I don't think a full on Cgi Transformers movie on Cybertron is a good idea as the next Transformers movie, not for story reasons or anything but I feel like it's jumping the gun a bit.

However I do think that the next movie which I assume is the Optimus movie from what I've heard should have a big chunk of Cybertron scenes whether they be flashbacks or if the first part of the movie has them, by big chunk I mean a good 20-40 minutes of Cybertron scenes.

In my mind this is what I'm thinking the basic plot structure of the Optimus Prime movie should be, this is if it's a reboot:

Warning some spoilers for the end of Bumblebee, not in depth spoilers but for anyone who doesn't want any don't read, after typing this out I put a TLDR at the bottom because I didn't realize how long this would be, and this is the short version I could write a whole novel about the "idea" of the movie.


We start with 5 or so minutes of Earth scenes picking up where Bumblebee ends with Optimus and Bumblebee as they were to establish the start of the movie with Prime explaining to Bee about what he was up to and what they should do next as they move out to meet up with the Autobots that show up at the end of the Bee movie which I assume is mostly the Autobots from the Bumblebee Cybertron scenes with a few additional others, so basically it's a reverse of Bumblebee's start where that movie started with 5 or so minutes on Cybertron before moving on to Earth.


We would transition to Cybertron as we see from the eyes of a younger Optimus who might or might not be named Orion Pax (probably would be) in my mind he would ideally be voiced by David Kaye in his Animated Optimus voice (Seriously though we need Kaye in these movies!) and would focus on his both his relationship with notable figures in his early life like Elita-1, Ultra Magnus, Roller or/and Dion as the best friend who ends up being the tragic first casualty, individuals who would later serve him as Autobots like Ratchet and Jazz or oppose him as Decepticons like Soundwave and Starscream, teachers/mentors like Alpha Trion, one or more of Prime's predecessors like Nova/Sentinel/Zeta but most importantly would be an also younger Megatron before he became the Decepticon leader, as well as the early stages of Optimus Prime's life whether that be as a Data clerk, dock worker, cop or someone who goes through all of those things over time (Like starts off as a data clerk, becomes a cop for adventure but becomes a dock worker later on to lie low from Megatron and the early Decepticons) before he ends up becoming "Optimus Prime leader of the Autobots" whether that be because another Prime dies on the battlefield against the Decepticons and passes responsibility to him or he gets elected to the position by a Cybertron council.


We wouldn't see the full war or anything from many other character perspectives besides Megatron and/or some other villain since stuff like that should be saved for a full on Cybertron movie since this movie would be about Optimus Prime so it should stick to smaller events like Prime's early life and big notable events Optimus takes part of like the start of the war, a notable fight or two he participates in and his "promotion/election" to Prime and/or Autobot leader, we also wouldn't see to much of Bumblebee here to make up for the spotlight of his own film although we would see the first time the two met.


So after the first arc or two on Cybetron we would return to Earth for the final arc of the movie where Prime and Bee would have to deal with the arrival of a small squad of Decepticon reinforcements led by Starscream (I would use him here since he wasn't a big presence in Bumblebee plus it would make up for the whole Blitzwing controversy to use him here) and some other high ranked Decepticon general who would serve as the designated character to kill for action and stuff but the movie would sort of build the character up during the Cybertron stuff as a character who has been present throughout his life, I would choose someone who would be notable enough to be a fan favorite but not to the point that people would be upset that they get killed in one movie like Bludgeon/Straxus/Stockade/Skyquake, Prime and Bee would have trouble with the majority of the Decepticons with the Decepticon General having Bumblebee at blade/gunpoint and ready to kill until the other Autobots that arrived at the end of Bumblebee would show up at the last moment to give Prime the moment to kill the the Decepticon General to save Bee which would lead to Starscream and the remaining Decepticons to retreat in old G1 cartoon fashion, movie ends with the Autobots establishing their base like they were planning to in Bumblebee.

After Credits scene would answer the question of where Megatron is in the present day whether that be on some Decepticon warship in space receiving Starscream's report on Earth about Prime and started heading there or Megatron already on Earth frozen or something.


(Argh I always end up writing more then I intend to so here is the TLDR: Start the film with 5 minutes on Earth, Act 1 being Optimus/Orion's early life before war, Act 2 being major events of Prime's life in the war like notable battles and his "promotion/election" to Prime and/or Autobot leader, Act 3 returning to Earth to deal with some Decepticons before reuniting with Autobot reinforcements)
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Re: Discussion on Next Transformers Film after Bumblebee

Postby Deadput » Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:18 am

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OptimalOptimus2 wrote:Unicron has the potential of being a great, intimidating villain if written correctly. I agree with the Thanos comment. Thanos in Infinity War was an exceptional, powerful, and even at times a relatable character. I enjoyed every scene with him for he had such the presence. All it takes to do a successful Transformers movie with Unicron is to write the movie well. I'm afraid that people tend to forget that what is placed on writing influences the aesthetic of a film (along with the director of course).

I personally wouldn't mind if they rewrote Unicron to be more than a planet eating planet-former.

My idea would be to sort of make him sort of a Devil like character who has a smaller "avatar" form the size of a typical Combiner who would reach out across the universe to different civilizations and make deals with individuals giving them things they want in return for favors, he would sort of be like a Mass Effect Reaper where spending enough time around him on his "planet" (Which would be the size of a moon at most and the Unicron Avatar would pass off his planet as a simple mobile space station) would corrupt the individual to the point where they end up serving as his herald and would offer their planet and moons to him for consumption and afterwards be sent out to find new planets for Unicron to eventually consume.

This Unicron wouldn't be as powerful as other incarnations where all the planet form has is the "planet sucker" and some guns to combat enemy fighters like the turrets on the Death Star, so Unicron has to work to earn his meals by corrupting enough individuals to take over the planet and shut down all defenses and threats to him so Unicron can safely consume those planets and moons without interference.

Unicron would have several Transformers as heralds since their a space faring species so naturally a few Cybertronians would have come across him at one point or another.

I think Unicron's Avatar could be inspired by his toy from the Transformers Cybertron toyline as well as the original comic Liege Maximo (although I have my own ideas for that character in general, mostly tying him with Logos Prime being his original name and pretending to be an organic galactic mob boss named Liege Maximo)
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Re: Discussion on Next Transformers Film after Bumblebee

Postby Bleak5170 » Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:29 am

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"We've been told for years that Transformers media needs human characters to remain relatable."

I still 100% believe that. While all of us here are salivating at the thought of a CGI, Transformers-only movie, it would only make a fraction of the money that a traditional TF movie would make. That would pretty much ensure we would never see another one like that. Most people I know who can be talked into watching one of the movies from Michael Bay, would simply never go see a "real" Transformers movie. Or if they did they would hate it.
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Re: Discussion on Next Transformers Film after Bumblebee

Postby RiddlerJ » Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:04 am

I would just like some sort of closure on the Unicron thread. Anything really just so it isn't a dangling cliffhanger.
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Re: Travis Knight talks about what could be next after the Bumblebee Movie

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:53 am

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Wolfman Jake wrote:How do you feel about the prospect of a completely CGI-driven Transformers movie, without Earth, without humans? We've been told for years that Transformers media needs human characters to remain relatable. Will Paramount and Hasbro let Travis Knight put that to the test?
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Re: Discussion on Next Transformers Film after Bumblebee

Postby WiseMan » Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:58 am

Predacons Rising is still my favorite TF movie. No humans, 95% on Cybertron, and fully CGI. None of which I care about because it was just a great story.

It also featured a Unicron who was not a planet-eater.

The people representing Hasbro really, really need to take a look at what's already been done. And been done well.
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Re: Travis Knight talks about what could be next after the Bumblebee Movie

Postby ZeroWolf » Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:59 am

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Wolfman Jake wrote:How do you feel about the prospect of a completely CGI-driven Transformers movie, without Earth, without humans? We've been told for years that Transformers media needs human characters to remain relatable. Will Paramount and Hasbro let Travis Knight put that to the test?
Predacons Rising says "Hi". ;)

Everyone always forgets that film. I bet they discount it because it wasn't released on the cinemas worldwide.
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Re: Discussion on Next Transformers Film after Bumblebee

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:11 am

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WiseMan wrote:It also featured a Unicron who was not a planet-eater.
Even though his role in that movie was kinda something of an unintentional ripoff of his role in Beast Wars Neo (e.g. - his reawakened non-corporeal form taking possession of the previously defeated villain faction leader's body as a new vessel--complete with a new makeover that even gives the body new a set of golden horns, no less--for the goal of returning to Cybertron and having his way with it, only to face opposition from the united forces of the show's heroes and villains working together to stop him and save Cybertron, which Unicron initially plows through with the utmost of ease, taking near control of Cybertron's very heart, but is ultimately defeated by a sacred talisman used by the leading mouthplated Prime/Convoy of the show's good guy faction).
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Re: Discussion on Next Transformers Film after Bumblebee

Postby jtanimator » Wed Dec 12, 2018 1:01 pm

When I thought I couldn't love this man any more, here we are :-D :-D
I think a clever route to take for the next film would be making an Orion Pax spinoff. Not only would this give us the long awaited backstory of Optimus Prime, but would also be a great means of telling the origin story of Megatron before becoming a corrupted war leader, and would also serve as a war on cybertron/Autobot/Decepticon origin story. All in one neat package that would sell to the audience like hotcakes :POPCORN:
But hey, no matter what happens in the next chapter of this franchise, as long as Travis Knight is at the head of it, I'm 100% confident in the product. He's never failed me.
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Re: Discussion on Next Transformers Film after Bumblebee

Postby Deadput » Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:05 pm

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WiseMan wrote:Predacons Rising is still my favorite TF movie. No humans, 95% on Cybertron, and fully CGI. None of which I care about because it was just a great story.

It also featured a Unicron who was not a planet-eater.

The people representing Hasbro really, really need to take a look at what's already been done. And been done well.


Man Predacon rising was such a disappointing movie to me, nothing changed the status quo besides Unicron getting trapped and Optimus dying which was reversed by RID anyways.

(The actually final episode of the show would of made a better ending the PR did)
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Re: Discussion on Next Transformers Film after Bumblebee

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Deadput wrote:Man Predacon rising was such a disappointing movie to me, nothing changed the status quo besides Unicron getting trapped and Optimus dying which was reversed by RID anyways.
Uh, what about the planet being able to repopulate the species after having been inert for thousands of years?
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Re: Discussion on Next Transformers Film after Bumblebee

Postby Deadput » Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:17 pm

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Deadput wrote:Man Predacon rising was such a disappointing movie to me, nothing changed the status quo besides Unicron getting trapped and Optimus dying which was reversed by RID anyways.
Uh, what about the planet being able to repopulate the species after having been inert for thousands of years?


Ah yeah there was that, the Omega lock shouldn't have been destroyed earlier if they were gonna go with that ending anyways.

Besides maybe Knock Out's defection and Megatron's "supposed" change of hear I was more so thinking there wasn't really any character development in the movie, things just happened.


Also disliked how Ultra Magnus gets beat up like a chump and then spends the rest of the movie in a "bed" and never says another word which is especially laughable that he never appears in RID afterwards and is never mentioned so for all we know he spends the rest of his life confined to a metal table or he died off screen after PR.
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Re: Discussion on Next Transformers Film after Bumblebee

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:45 pm

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Deadput wrote:Man Predacon rising was such a disappointing movie to me, nothing changed the status quo besides Unicron getting trapped and Optimus dying which was reversed by RID anyways.
Uh, what about the planet being able to repopulate the species after having been inert for thousands of years?


Ah yeah there was that, the Omega lock shouldn't have been destroyed earlier if they were gonna go with that ending anyways.
Blame Beast Hunters for that. Season 2 had to blow through three seasons' worth of story to make room for Beast Hunters in Season 3 at the 11th hour.
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Re: Discussion on Next Transformers Film after Bumblebee

Postby o.supreme » Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:47 pm

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Before the first live action TF movie was released in 2007, I spent 20 years (from 1987 to 2007) envisioning and all animated TF movie with as few human characters as possible in the vein of the 1986 TF:TM. So the idea has always been with me, only now has someone involved with the TF franchise actually been bold enough to state the idea in an interview. Seems like a slam dunk for me. It may not have general audiance appeal, but if Hasbro is that worried, make it on a smaller budget, straight to home media market. Warner/DC does 3 of these a year, and for the most part they are really well done (with few exceptions).

Also for what it's worth, IMHO Predacons Rising was amazing, heck even the BWII Movie was better than any Bayverse film.
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Re: Discussion on Next Transformers Film after Bumblebee

Postby Nexus Knight » Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:25 am

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OptimalOptimus2 wrote:Unicron has the potential of being a great, intimidating villain if written correctly. I agree with the Thanos comment. Thanos in Infinity War was an exceptional, powerful, and even at times a relatable character. I enjoyed every scene with him for he had such the presence. All it takes to do a successful Transformers movie with Unicron is to write the movie well. I'm afraid that people tend to forget that what is placed on writing influences the aesthetic of a film (along with the director of course).

I personally wouldn't mind if they rewrote Unicron to be more than a planet eating planet-former.

My idea would be to sort of make him sort of a Devil like character who has a smaller "avatar" form the size of a typical Combiner who would reach out across the universe to different civilizations and make deals with individuals giving them things they want in return for favors, he would sort of be like a Mass Effect Reaper where spending enough time around him on his "planet" (Which would be the size of a moon at most and the Unicron Avatar would pass off his planet as a simple mobile space station) would corrupt the individual to the point where they end up serving as his herald and would offer their planet and moons to him for consumption and afterwards be sent out to find new planets for Unicron to eventually consume.

This Unicron wouldn't be as powerful as other incarnations where all the planet form has is the "planet sucker" and some guns to combat enemy fighters like the turrets on the Death Star, so Unicron has to work to earn his meals by corrupting enough individuals to take over the planet and shut down all defenses and threats to him so Unicron can safely consume those planets and moons without interference.

Unicron would have several Transformers as heralds since their a space faring species so naturally a few Cybertronians would have come across him at one point or another.

I think Unicron's Avatar could be inspired by his toy from the Transformers Cybertron toyline as well as the original comic Liege Maximo (although I have my own ideas for that character in general, mostly tying him with Logos Prime being his original name and pretending to be an organic galactic mob boss named Liege Maximo)


You, sir, should write for Paramount. That idea could be thread throughout several self-contained stories (read: movies) in many creative ways. :D
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Re: Discussion on Next Transformers Film after Bumblebee

Postby Deadput » Fri Dec 14, 2018 3:15 am

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You, sir, should write for Paramount. That idea could be thread throughout several self-contained stories (read: movies) in many creative ways. :D


I mean if someone could point me to where I could submit an application for Paramount or Hasbro in general I would happily do so! I have a cousin who's involved in some film and video game stuff (I'm not close to the guy, only movie I've known he's been in is one or two of the "Scary movie" films but I could get in contact with the guy)

While I would personally only be interested in writing Transformers stuff, I wouldn't mind taking a shot at other kinds of films or stories (Games, comics, etc) like horror (Had an idea about a guy who basically goes around hunting down horror movie killers and monsters, wouldn't be a parody but not completely serious either.)

Ideas is my general thing but I don't have the talent to bring any of that to life besides writing text and amateur photoshops. (I'm actually good at sound editing but I don't think that would help me here)


Edit: More on the idea of that Unicron, one of the ways he could corrupt others besides simple manipulation or forcefully feeding thoughts is to give addicting substances that poisons the mind, "drugs" and liquids for organic beings and things like "Dark Energon" for robotic beings, very addicting but it changes the individual to be more violent/aggressive as well as unawarely taking steps to further Unicron's goals such as constant warfare and domination of other species, also Unicron needs a lot of "fuel" (Read planets and or any other sufficient energy source) to be able to transform the planet mode and function with that body or even to move it across space. The Avatar isn't his real form or anything but simply a puppet shell used to talk to smaller beings.
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Re: Discussion on Next Transformers Film after Bumblebee

Postby Salacious_Monk » Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:55 pm

Absolute Zero wrote:This producer sounds like an idiot.


No, he does not sound like an idiot. He is an idiot for sure!
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Re: Discussion on Next Transformers Film after Bumblebee

Postby Salacious_Monk » Sun Dec 16, 2018 1:49 am

Bleak5170 wrote:"We've been told for years that Transformers media needs human characters to remain relatable."

I still 100% believe that. While all of us here are salivating at the thought of a CGI, Transformers-only movie, it would only make a fraction of the money that a traditional TF movie would make. That would pretty much ensure we would never see another one like that. Most people I know who can be talked into watching one of the movies from Michael Bay, would simply never go see a "real" Transformers movie. Or if they did they would hate it.

I don't think so. If you always needed human characters, why had the transformers become popular among kids in 1980s in the first place? In the G1 cartoon, the role of humans was minimal. Human characters are NOT necessary to make movies relatable as long as the robots have their own personalities and behave like humans.
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Re: Discussion on Next Transformers Film after Bumblebee

Postby ZeroWolf » Sun Dec 16, 2018 5:01 am

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Depends on the fan as some want them less human :lol: but remember Hollywood is more into safe bets now, so if paramount think more humans will maximise profits, you can bet humans will be essential to the plot in some form. Now if we get another director like Travis though, and the right writer... Then we could, *could* get a movie set entirely on Cybertron. But that would only happen if Paramount were garunteed mass market success.
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