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Re: Travis Knight talks about what could be next after the Bumblebee Movie

Postby Ironhidensh » Mon Dec 24, 2018 11:56 am

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Wolfman Jake wrote:How do you feel about the prospect of a completely CGI-driven Transformers movie, without Earth, without humans? We've been told for years that Transformers media needs human characters to remain relatable. Will Paramount and Hasbro let Travis Knight put that to the test?
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Everyone always forgets that film. I bet they discount it because it wasn't released on the cinemas worldwide.


Its not that they discount it, its that it was a cartoon made for children, with nods to adult fans as an afterthought.

What works in a childrens cartoon format will NOT work in a major blockbuster film format, no matter how much some of us may wish it so. :(
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Re: Travis Knight talks about what could be next after the Bumblebee Movie

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Dec 24, 2018 8:25 pm

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Ironhidensh wrote:Its not that they discount it, its that it was a cartoon made for children, with nods to adult fans as an afterthought.
Did we watch the same show? That's, like, the one American-made TF cartoon that tried to pretend like it wasn't a kids show, as though it found being labeled a kids show embarrassing (like how insecure teenagers like to insist that they're totally mature and not still kids anymore). If I had kids, I certainly wouldn't let them watch Prime until they were old enough to be able to handle it.
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Re: Travis Knight talks about what could be next after the Bumblebee Movie

Postby Ironhidensh » Mon Dec 24, 2018 8:47 pm

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Ironhidensh wrote:Its not that they discount it, its that it was a cartoon made for children, with nods to adult fans as an afterthought.
Did we watch the same show? That's, like, the one American-made TF cartoon that tried to pretend like it wasn't a kids show, as though it found being labeled a kids show embarrassing (like how insecure teenagers like to insist that they're totally mature and not still kids anymore). If I had kids, I certainly wouldn't let them watch Prime until they were old enough to be able to handle it.



My kids are 4 and 5, and they've watched the entirety of Prime. I say this with no disrespect intended, but I think you have a distorted view, or maybe just old fashioned, of what is mature content.

I like Prime too, but it was a kids show.
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Re: Discussion on Next Transformers Film after Bumblebee

Postby o.supreme » Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:17 am

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As a responsible parent who does monitor what my kids watch, I'll just say this... I loved Prime, and felt it was made for a fan like myself...for *adults*, specifically though...I don,t know, maybe for teenageers. I felt the action was on par with something like Star Wars. My kids were 4 and 5 when it started airing. It's not so much that I prevented them from watching it, its just that they wouldn't have cared for it. When Rescue Bots came out in 2012, this was perfect for them at that time, and my son also liked some other shows like Armada... As he grew older, he could appreciate more complicated shows like the Original Series, Beast Wars and TF Prime.

The only TF content I did censor pretty heavily was, of course the Bay Films, for obvious reasons. My kids are now just a few months away form turning 13 and 14, so seeing the BB Movie with them in theaters was a pretty fun experience, they both thoroughly enjoyed it, and I'm glad there was no content that really caused me to regret that decision.
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Re: Discussion on Next Transformers Film after Bumblebee

Postby Deadput » Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:25 am

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I'm sure they will find a way to spin the poor sales as "G1, the 80's and small scale plots doesn't sell let's go back to the Bayverse style and see what happens"
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Re: Discussion on Next Transformers Film after Bumblebee

Postby ZeroWolf » Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:46 am

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I think you're being too pessimistic Deadput, if anything, they'll just allow more time to pass between installments. So for example, we'll get a new film in 2022
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Re: Discussion on Next Transformers Film after Bumblebee

Postby Deadput » Wed Dec 26, 2018 11:34 am

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ZeroWolf wrote:I think you're being too pessimistic Deadput, if anything, they'll just allow more time to pass between installments. So for example, we'll get a new film in 2022


True, I'm just in a sour mood about the possibility that my enjoyment of Bumblebee will be for nothing, well not the enjoyment itself but more so if they don't properly follow up on it.
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Re: Discussion on Next Transformers Film after Bumblebee

Postby ZeroWolf » Wed Dec 26, 2018 11:43 am

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Patience young padwan, we don't know anything at the moment, wait until bee is everywhere and more box office takings. At the very least you can bet that Paramount are looking at what people are saying about the movie, while money is the ultimate factor, critical opinion is valued as well. I wouldn't worry about a return for Bay, and no one will want to Ape his style.
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Re: Discussion on Next Transformers Film after Bumblebee

Postby Nexus Knight » Wed Dec 26, 2018 8:17 pm

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New Animated Transformers Movie to Explore Cybertron's History in Development

Postby ZeroWolf » Thu Dec 27, 2018 9:12 am

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Hot on the heels of Transformers Bumblebee, and the news of its box office takings and critical acclaim, Live Action series Producer Lorenzo di Bonaventura has revealed that an animated Transformers movie, one that is set to explore Cybertron's history, is now in development. This news comes courtesy of fellow Seibertron user, Carytheone.

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This was revealed during an interview that the producer gave to Metro

Lorenzo di Bonaventura wrote:“We actually have an animated movie in the works that will tell the whole Cybertron mythology. The fans will love that,” Di Bonaventura teases. “We’re trying to figure out an [Optimus Prime solo movie].”


In the same interview he admits that they are still trying to figure out how to do a Optimus Prime solo movie, stating:

Lorenzo di Bonaventura wrote:“It will be hard with Optimus, he is always right, very stoic and is a man of few words … It is kind of like saying, ‘Lets do a movie about Obi-Wan Kenobi?’ But how much is there to say about Obi-Wan? It is not so easy."


You can read the full interview here.

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Re: Discussion on Next Transformers Film after Bumblebee

Postby Agent 53 » Thu Dec 27, 2018 9:34 am

I think the primary reason you can't do a standalone for Optimus is that a standalone spin off movie focuses on someone away from the main character. Optimus Prime is the main character of transformers, he's the Big Good.
I hope that this animated cybertron film shows the start of the war while those of us who read comics and novels have several good ones to choose from the broader audience don't have those. I really hope we start with Orion Pax and he becomes optimus part way through, particularly if it is in any way like the way it goes in Autocracy.
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Re: Discussion on Next Transformers Film after Bumblebee

Postby Randomhero » Thu Dec 27, 2018 10:16 am

I don’t think he always needs to be right. IDW built an optimus wasn’t always right, an optimus where it took Megatron to see the flaws of his world and speak out and stand up. Even his own series showed that he was a very flawed person that was always trying to do the right thing. It’s 100% possible to make optimus a deep character.

I don’t know why the producer is saying he’s always right becuase he does things that arnt always right and I’m not talking about the “murder prime” BS that became a joke in the fandom. The last two movies with Cade trying to talk to him and help him with his own demons he had showed that. Let’s be honest AoE and LK showed optimus losing his faith in humanity and Cade and Bee proved him wrong.
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Re: Discussion on Next Transformers Film after Bumblebee

Postby Lore Keeper » Thu Dec 27, 2018 10:34 am

Randomhero wrote:I don’t think he always needs to be right. IDW built an optimus was always right, an optimus where it took Megatron to see the flaws of his world and speak out and stand up. Even his own series showed that he was a very flawed person that was always trying to do the right thing. It’s 100% possible to make optimus a deep character.

I don’t know why the producer is saying he’s always right becuase he does things that arnt always right and I’m not talking about the “murder prime” BS that became a joke in the fandom. The last two movies with Cade trying to talk to him and help him with his own demons he had showed that. Let’s be honest AoE and LK showed optimus losing his faith in humanity and Cade and Bee proved him wrong.

I think it's become obvious by now that Lorenzo di Bonaventura has, at best, a surface level understanding of the Transformers franchise and its characters. He is similar to people that watch the movies for what they are, without being into the brand itself. Everything he's said regarding story and characters are what I would expect from someone who spent a day reading about Transformers on Wikipedia and just went from there.
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Re: Discussion on Next Transformers Film after Bumblebee

Postby william-james88 » Thu Dec 27, 2018 10:45 am

Randomhero wrote:I don’t think he always needs to be right. IDW built an optimus was always right, an optimus where it took Megatron to see the flaws of his world and speak out and stand up. Even his own series showed that he was a very flawed person that was always trying to do the right thing. It’s 100% possible to make optimus a deep character.

I don’t know why the producer is saying he’s always right becuase he does things that arnt always right and I’m not talking about the “murder prime” BS that became a joke in the fandom. The last two movies with Cade trying to talk to him and help him with his own demons he had showed that. Let’s be honest AoE and LK showed optimus losing his faith in humanity and Cade and Bee proved him wrong.

I really hope that Optimus solo series is never adapted or used outside the comic. With half the time spent on figuring out how to add an earth delegate to the council of Cybertron, i think people would flash back to all that exciting senate action in the Star Wars prequels.

If anyone wants depth for Optimus, just read Chaos Theory (2 parter) . Its the greatest TF comic of all time and deals exactly with Optimus' origin.
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Re: Discussion on Next Transformers Film after Bumblebee

Postby Randomhero » Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:21 am

william-james88 wrote:
Randomhero wrote:I don’t think he always needs to be right. IDW built an optimus was always right, an optimus where it took Megatron to see the flaws of his world and speak out and stand up. Even his own series showed that he was a very flawed person that was always trying to do the right thing. It’s 100% possible to make optimus a deep character.

I don’t know why the producer is saying he’s always right becuase he does things that arnt always right and I’m not talking about the “murder prime” BS that became a joke in the fandom. The last two movies with Cade trying to talk to him and help him with his own demons he had showed that. Let’s be honest AoE and LK showed optimus losing his faith in humanity and Cade and Bee proved him wrong.

I really hope that Optimus solo series is never adapted or used outside the comic. With half the time spent on figuring out how to add an earth delegate to the council of Cybertron, i think people would flash back to all that exciting senate action in the Star Wars prequels.

If anyone wants depth for Optimus, just read Chaos Theory (2 parter) . Its the greatest TF comic of all time and deals exactly with Optimus' origin.



Oh I don’t think you could ever adapt anything from the Optimus Prime comic series. Not because it wasn’t good, it was my favorite out of the two but it was a series that used all of the flashbacks and history of IDW as it’s backbone. The flashbacks were all snippets of stuff that just flushed out more of time in his life.

You’re absolutely right saying chaos theory is a good place to go and while I don’t like it maybe some of Autocracy. The final product is trash but concepts and over ideas in it are good it’s just the execution that flopped. To me that is.
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Re: Discussion on Next Transformers Film after Bumblebee

Postby ZeroWolf » Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:28 am

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I think the producer is probably basing his reasoning of G1 cartoon prime.
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Re: Discussion on Next Transformers Film after Bumblebee

Postby william-james88 » Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:34 am

Oh i dont think you are alone in thinking that, i feel the same way about the autocracy trilogy. But i feel a big problem that didnt help was the visual storytelling. That artist would use the most baffling angles for his panels sometimes.
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Re: Discussion on Next Transformers Film after Bumblebee

Postby leokearon » Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:42 am

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Re: Discussion on Next Transformers Film after Bumblebee

Postby o.supreme » Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:48 am

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ZeroWolf wrote:I think the producer is probably basing his reasoning of G1 cartoon prime.


Actually I felt the exact opposite. Paramount wanted to refrain from doing a film set on Cybertron as established in the original animated series, because that would not mesh well with the already established Bayverse. Yes I know it's continuity has more holes than swiss cheese, but it caused enough problems to prevent us from seeing Megatron in the Cybertron set scenes of the BB movie.

I'll probably be laughed off the forums, but I'd love to see a polished version of War Dawn as an animated film. Probably not including the Aerialbots, but a different team of Autobots traveling to Cybertron's past, and witnessing all the events that cause Orion Pax to become Optimus Prime.
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Re: Discussion on Next Transformers Film after Bumblebee

Postby EvasionModeBumblebee » Thu Dec 27, 2018 12:13 pm

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Hmm. . . I know the whole continuity thing is up in the air right now, but I like the idea of the Optimus movie being about him having to lead the Autobots after Sentinel goes AWOL (which we saw in the opening of DOTM).
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Re: Discussion on Next Transformers Film after Bumblebee

Postby leokearon » Thu Dec 27, 2018 12:25 pm

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Re: Discussion on Next Transformers Film after Bumblebee

Postby william-james88 » Thu Dec 27, 2018 12:41 pm

leokearon wrote:If they do a animated Cybertron movie it won't have to be in any continuity

Why cant it be just a prequel to that opening scene in Bumblebee?
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Re: Discussion on Next Transformers Film after Bumblebee

Postby Randomhero » Thu Dec 27, 2018 12:52 pm

leokearon wrote:If they do a animated Cybertron movie it won't have to be in any continuity



That just means it will be all CGI. Something Knight said wanted to make a month ago as a prequel to bumblebee about the war before he decided he wanted to focus on smaller stuff
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Re: Discussion on Next Transformers Film after Bumblebee

Postby ZeroWolf » Thu Dec 27, 2018 1:01 pm

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Yeah, I'll echo what will and Randomhero have said. This project does sound like it's setting up that opening scene but we'll learn more as time passes. All of this should be seen as a good thing as it shows they are paying attention to what people are saying about bee.
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Re: Discussion on Next Transformers Film after Bumblebee

Postby o.supreme » Thu Dec 27, 2018 1:08 pm

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However IIRC correctly, an animated film itself isn't exactly *new* news, I seem to recall this project being on Hasbro's agenda even before the BB movie was announced. It was from the beginning to be a "Pre-Earth" film set on Cybertron, but in the Live Action movieverse. Of course I know the failure of TLK changed a lot of things, but if anything, this news only reminds us that the animated film hasn't been cancelled, as opposed to a new announcement entirely. And yes of course, the 2 or 3 minuets of All CG TF battles being hailed by fans as the best part of the film, doesn't hurt either ;) .
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