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Re: Do you think Bay will be bacl for TF3?

Postby 5150 Cruiser » Tue Jul 14, 2009 2:30 pm

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5150 Cruiser wrote: a director Being a fan of the franchise does not mean the movie will turn out better. Like others have said, Bay is the man for the Job. TF has never, i repeat NEVER been about in depth story and plot. Its always been about the action, fight scenes and characters. Granted the movies could have used better character development, but they were not ignored as much as many claim they were.

Personally, I'd much rather have kick ass action and one liners than a 2 hour Doctor Phil secion between all the characters.


Right about now is the point where I start questioning my own sanity. At least I'm going to cover my a$$ going into this one...
While the action fan in me agrees entirely with you 5150, I'm going to play devils advocate again and ask what you think might work well for the kids that will no doubt be seeing TF3. Sure, we as adult males are going to enjoy the hell out of Bays return and thrill in the bot melee we know is coming (and Megan Fox) but is our take on things really in Hasbros best interest? They do kind of have the whole franchise in the palm of their hand and their target demographic is ultimately what they will cater to.

I know, so totally the kind of questions you didn't want to hear. I'm a wet blanket, I know. But it is just one of many ways to look at it and I did still side with the action aspect too. I'm not a total downer. 8-}


Great questions T-Mackimus. First lets address the kids and "target" audience issue. Now this is a catch 22 cause I'm not sure that kids are even the target audience. Well, at least not the movies. When Hasbro and Paramount started talking about TF1, I'm sure it would be discussed whether or not the movie was going to cater between kids, adults, and fans. Ultimately, the general audience wins out since they will be contributing the most money to the franchise rather than just one demographic. Now that's not to say that they will come and ignore the rest of the audience, but rather that the full focus is then put else were. IN this case, the movie was catered to adults more rather than kids because of the money issue. The toys are then focused on both kids and adults alike. Like you said, as grown men, we can understand, and sometimes welcome such language and sexual references as seen in ROTF.
Now moving on to what can be improved in the 3rd movie to make it more kiddy friendly, without making it completely for the kids.
Although the language i didn't fell was as bad as some have made it out to be, i can see were it did apearto be over the top, especially for parents. Unnecessary lines like Sam's mom saying..
"Fine, then you carry this sh!T!"
..Could have been left out, or replaced with "Crap" to make the parents happy.
The twins probably could have laid off the "Pop a cap in yo a$$!" and similar one liners, but ultimately they did serve purposes for character development.
Ultimately, they really don't need to change much to make it more kid friendly but yet still be appealing to the older crowds.
The action and fight scences need to stay. Sorry, if that might piss off some parents, but that is, and has always been what TF has always been about. That and the kick ass bots.

And to be honest, TF has been around for quite some time without the support of a movie, or even a current TV series. They still sold well. So one does not necessarily need to go see the movie to enjoy the franchise. I'm not saying this is an excuse to make TF into a modern day Pulp fiction, but ultimately, i don't feel parents are not going to by there kids the toys cause they don't want there kids to see the movie either.

Iwant to address this more, but my lunch break is over.
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Re: Do you think Bay will be bacl for TF3?

Postby Koray » Wed Jul 15, 2009 6:36 am

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Koray wrote:Better than not talking robots.

What did Ratchet, Arcee, Ironhide, Jolt said in the movie? Nothing.


Jolt had none. Every other Autobot had at least two lines. Except Bumblebee, of course. Arcee had one at the beginning, then one later in Egypt. (Something along the lines of "We'll take you to Prime") Ironhide had a handful of lines, in particular "I smell him..." as well as the extreme outrage at the humans pointing weapons at him. Ratchet had a few lines, including overseeing Jetfire's parts being transplanted onto Optimus. Sideswipe had a few lines while chasing Sideways, as well as a few during the battle in Egypt.

EDIT: Bay has to stay for Part 3. Look what happened to X-Men. Bryan Singer left, Brett Ratner comes in, and then it all just goes to hell. And don't tell me Bryan Singer would be better, he did Superman Returns after all.


I mostly agreed with you(epecially xmen 3 was terrible) but there was less robot talking than a 20 minutes g1 cartoon. Everyone loved Jetfire because he speaked a lot and showed a personality both first movie and rotf failed at this.

Also it seems everyone loved action in the movie but about story he absoulutely needs help g1 cartoon story writers would do good(except the one who killed optimus and starscream at 86 :D ).
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Re: Do you think Bay will be bacl for TF3?

Postby Zombie Starscream » Wed Jul 15, 2009 7:35 am

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My question really is, because I *am* sympathetic to the Bay hatred out there...

If not Bay, well, then, who?


Seriously, I admit Bay isn't PERFECT, but I can sure think of a lot WORSE choices. So, help me out, who would do better?

Whoever the director was that did Aliens or the first Teminator. Either of these guys seemed to know how to direct movies about aliens or mecha, and so I feel these would be better for the job of a Transformers movie. But only after Bay's third movie is done, so we can get a proper reboot.
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Re: Do you think Bay will be bacl for TF3?

Postby Shadowman » Wed Jul 15, 2009 9:55 am

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Koray wrote:he absoulutely needs help g1 cartoon story writers would do good(except the one who killed optimus and starscream at 86 :D ).


Well that's no help at all, G1 didn't exactly have great stories either.

Zombie Starscream wrote:Whoever the director was that did Aliens or the first Teminator. Either of these guys seemed to know how to direct movies about aliens or mecha, and so I feel these would be better for the job of a Transformers movie. But only after Bay's third movie is done, so we can get a proper reboot.


You know, a lot of people criticize James Cameron for being as much of a jerk as Michael Bay. And what was the last good sci-fi movie he did?
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Re: Do you think Bay will be bacl for TF3?

Postby Flare » Wed Jul 15, 2009 10:29 am

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I'm not sure if this is true or not but rumor has it that Michael Bay is going to take a break from making anymore Transformer movies. And before Michael Bay how many Directors even cared to work on a live action Transformers movie? Since 86' I don't think anyone really cared. After Michael Bay gets fed up with all the criticism and decided to not bother making TF3, do you think there will be anyone capable or willing to create another TF movie? George Lucas might... But remember how many people hated Megatron turning into Darth Vader and The Fallen playing the role of the Emperor? Do we really need our Transformers turning into Star Wars?
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Re: Do you think Bay will be bacl for TF3?

Postby Shadowman » Wed Jul 15, 2009 11:17 am

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Flare wrote:George Lucas might... But remember how many people hated Megatron turning into Darth Vader and The Fallen playing the role of the Emperor? Do we really need our Transformers turning into Star Wars?


If you're worried about too much Star Wars in your Transformers, the Darth Vader/Emperor comparison may be the least of your problems if George Lucas takes over.
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Re: Do you think Bay will be bacl for TF3?

Postby cybercat » Wed Jul 15, 2009 11:34 am

Zombie Starscream wrote:
Whoever the director was that did Aliens or the first Teminator. Either of these guys seemed to know how to direct movies about aliens or mecha, and so I feel these would be better for the job of a Transformers movie. But only after Bay's third movie is done, so we can get a proper reboot.[/quote]

Ridley Scott did _Alien_, the first one. Is that who you meant?

Because James Cameron did both _Aliens_ and directed the first two _Terminator_ movies. You meant two different guys, right?

Both interesting choices! Cameron's good, but then again, he did _Titanic_. We might wait to _Avatar_ to answer the 'how well does he deal with someone else's material?' question.

I love Scott: _Kingdom of Heaven_ and _Black Hawk Down_ are two movies that have plenty of really stunningly beautiful violence (ummm, okay, that description makes sense to me at least) and still manage to pack in a lot of story. Not sure if he might think that he's too darned good for giant robots, though.

Great choices!

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Re: Do you think Bay will be bacl for TF3?

Postby 5150 Cruiser » Wed Jul 15, 2009 11:47 am

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Koray wrote: Also it seems everyone loved action in the movie but about story he absoulutely needs help g1 cartoon story writers would do good(except the one who killed optimus and starscream at 86 :D ).


THis is what makes no scense what so ever. The 86' movie as well as the intire G1 series had horrible stories. They were corny, full of plot holes, and are badly writen. Then they complain of the same in TF1 and ROTF. I really don't understand what people want from a TF movie. The story and plot are all basedoff TF mytho's. What more do you expect???? If you don't like the current movie stories, then you have noone to blame but the TF franchise its based on. The writers are doing what they can to aplease us, but it seems like its a no win situation.
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Re: Do you think Bay will be bacl for TF3?

Postby T-Macksimus » Wed Jul 15, 2009 12:12 pm

5150 Cruiser wrote:
Koray wrote: Also it seems everyone loved action in the movie but about story he absoulutely needs help g1 cartoon story writers would do good(except the one who killed optimus and starscream at 86 :D ).


THis is what makes no scense what so ever. The 86' movie as well as the intire G1 series had horrible stories. They were corny, full of plot holes, and are badly writen. Then they complain of the same in TF1 and ROTF. I really don't understand what people want from a TF movie. The story and plot are all basedoff TF mytho's. What more do you expect???? If you don't like the current movie stories, then you have noone to blame but the TF franchise its based on. The writers are doing what they can to aplease us, but it seems like its a no win situation.


People are willing to embrace the "suspension of disbelief' concept to allow that giant,sentient alien robots can transform into vehicles and weapons and appliances and then want to push it one step beyond by believing that depth and intricacy can be extracted from a TOY LINE and made into an epic screen spectacle that can please everyone. To this I have to say... :lol: :lol:

Now THAT is what falls into the 'Suspension of Disbelief' category.
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Re: Do you think Bay will be bacl for TF3?

Postby Magnus_Rex » Wed Jul 15, 2009 12:19 pm

5150 Cruiser wrote:
Koray wrote: Also it seems everyone loved action in the movie but about story he absoulutely needs help g1 cartoon story writers would do good(except the one who killed optimus and starscream at 86 :D ).


THis is what makes no scense what so ever. The 86' movie as well as the intire G1 series had horrible stories. They were corny, full of plot holes, and are badly writen. Then they complain of the same in TF1 and ROTF. I really don't understand what people want from a TF movie. The story and plot are all basedoff TF mytho's. What more do you expect???? If you don't like the current movie stories, then you have noone to blame but the TF franchise its based on. The writers are doing what they can to aplease us, but it seems like its a no win situation.


So because the G1 series and 86 movie had horrible stories, were corny, and full of plot holes, then I should expect the same treatment from from TF1 and ROTF?
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Re: Do you think Bay will be bacl for TF3?

Postby Koray » Wed Jul 15, 2009 12:42 pm

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Koray wrote: Also it seems everyone loved action in the movie but about story he absoulutely needs help g1 cartoon story writers would do good(except the one who killed optimus and starscream at 86 :D ).


THis is what makes no scense what so ever. The 86' movie as well as the intire G1 series had horrible stories. They were corny, full of plot holes, and are badly writen. Then they complain of the same in TF1 and ROTF. I really don't understand what people want from a TF movie. The story and plot are all basedoff TF mytho's. What more do you expect???? If you don't like the current movie stories, then you have noone to blame but the TF franchise its based on. The writers are doing what they can to aplease us, but it seems like its a no win situation.



I didnt like Batman movies before Christopher Nolan (ex: Batman Forever,Batman & Robin) and never blamed Batman about that, never asked my self Koray what do you want more from a Batman movie. People wrote their dissappointments about movie and its 17paged movie review thread(i dont want to make a list of my dissappointments it would be offtopic). People may did not like the g1 writers i respect that; but it is obvious Bay&Spilberg made a bad job here especially only Bay(07 movie) was better.

Bay needs a wingman or replaced at third movie i say that.
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Re: Do you think Bay will be bacl for TF3?

Postby Magnus_Rex » Wed Jul 15, 2009 1:18 pm

I think that Bay needs time off to go do his more story focused, independent movie. He's awesome at directing action, but when it comes down to the story and acting, he's like George Lucas and needs a wingman like Koray said.
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Re: Do you think Bay will be bacl for TF3?

Postby 5150 Cruiser » Wed Jul 15, 2009 1:48 pm

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People are willing to embrace the "suspension of disbelief' concept to allow that giant,sentient alien robots can transform into vehicles and weapons and appliances and then want to push it one step beyond by believing that depth and intricacy can be extracted from a TOY LINE and made into an epic screen spectacle that can please everyone. To this I have to say... :lol: :lol:

Now THAT is what falls into the 'Suspension of Disbelief' category.


Once again T-Macksimus, you drop your infinite wisdom on us! B-) Agreed! :APPLAUSE:


Magnus_Rex wrote:

So because the G1 series and 86 movie had horrible stories, were corny, and full of plot holes, then I should expect the same treatment from from TF1 and ROTF?


Your the one comparing the two. If you acknowledge that the original series and movie were badly written, had major plot holes and were corny as hell, why you'd you want the same writers to do the new movies, or why do you feel they would do any better?

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I didnt like Batman movies before Christopher Nolan (ex: Batman Forever,Batman & Robin) and never blamed Batman about that, never asked my self Koray what do you want more from a Batman movie. People wrote their dissappointments about movie and its 17paged movie review thread(i dont want to make a list of my dissappointments it would be offtopic). People may did not like the g1 writers i respect that; but it is obvious Bay&Spilberg made a bad job here especially only Bay(07 movie) was better.

Bay needs a wingman or replaced at third movie i say that.


Here your problem. Batman & Robin and Batman Forever, were probably the most accurate in terms of looks and characters to the original series and comics. It was based of more core material. These two movies that were based off source material than Nolan's movies, were ultimately seen as the worse of the 6 movies by fans. This is what I'm talking about using source material for the TF movies. Many claim they don't feel bay "respected" the franchise and didn't play homage enough to G1 and other TF series, when in fact he did, and now everyone's bitch'in about it. At some point people need to realize that there's only so far you can go while being true to the original series, and still get this masterful, enriched plot that everyone seems to think there entitled to.
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Re: Do you think Bay will be bacl for TF3?

Postby Magnus_Rex » Wed Jul 15, 2009 3:53 pm

5150 Cruiser wrote:

Magnus_Rex wrote:

So because the G1 series and 86 movie had horrible stories, were corny, and full of plot holes, then I should expect the same treatment from from TF1 and ROTF?


Your the one comparing the two. If you acknowledge that the original series and movie were badly written, had major plot holes and were corny as hell, why you'd you want the same writers to do the new movies, or why do you feel they would do any better?

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I didnt like Batman movies before Christopher Nolan (ex: Batman Forever,Batman & Robin) and never blamed Batman about that, never asked my self Koray what do you want more from a Batman movie. People wrote their dissappointments about movie and its 17paged movie review thread(i dont want to make a list of my dissappointments it would be offtopic). People may did not like the g1 writers i respect that; but it is obvious Bay&Spilberg made a bad job here especially only Bay(07 movie) was better.

Bay needs a wingman or replaced at third movie i say that.


Here your problem. Batman & Robin and Batman Forever, were probably the most accurate in terms of looks and characters to the original series and comics. It was based of more core material. These two movies that were based off source material than Nolan's movies, were ultimately seen as the worse of the 6 movies by fans. This is what I'm talking about using source material for the TF movies. Many claim they don't feel bay "respected" the franchise and didn't play homage enough to G1 and other TF series, when in fact he did, and now everyone's bitch'in about it. At some point people need to realize that there's only so far you can go while being true to the original series, and still get this masterful, enriched plot that everyone seems to think there entitled to.


Um, no I'm not the one comparing the two. I think you're confused. Are you implying that I want the writers of the 80's cartoon and movie to write the current movies? No I don't. But the way the movie was presented, I couldn't really tell the difference.

And what do you mean Batman Forever and Batman and Robin were based more off the core material? Would that be the core material from the 1940's when Batman was actually pretty dark and even had a gun? Or would it be the 50's and 60's when he was wussified because comics were thought to be to violent for kids? Or the 70's when they decided to make Batman more like he was in the 40's? And the Nolan movies were seen as worst of the 6 by fans? Seriously, you're being sarcastic right? I know people that didn't like the Nolan movies, but worse that Batman Forever and Batman and Robin....

And no one was asking for a masterful, enriched plot. Just one that is coherent.
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Re: Do you think Bay will be bacl for TF3?

Postby 5150 Cruiser » Wed Jul 15, 2009 4:28 pm

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Magnus_Rex wrote: Um, no I'm not the one comparing the two. I think you're confused. Are you implying that I want the writers of the 80's cartoon and movie to write the current movies? No I don't. But the way the movie was presented, I couldn't really tell the difference.


Sorry. You weren't the one that compared the two. That coment was meant for Korey. My bad. :)

Magnus_Rex wrote:And what do you mean Batman Forever and Batman and Robin were based more off the core material? Would that be the core material from the 1940's when Batman was actually pretty dark and even had a gun? Or would it be the 50's and 60's when he was wussified because comics were thought to be to violent for kids? Or the 70's when they decided to make Batman more like he was in the 40's? And the Nolan movies were seen as worst of the 6 by fans? Seriously, you're being sarcastic right? I know people that didn't like the Nolan movies, but worse that Batman Forever and Batman and Robin....


I think you miss read my post. I was implying that Batman & Robin, and Batman Forever were seen as the worse of the 6. Not Nolan's. Looking back at my post i could see how you could have interpeted it the other way around. Again, my bad. :)

As far as core material, i wasn't aware that there was a comic back in the 40's. I've always accociated Batman with the orignal series as that seemed to be what many remember as "sorce matrial". Either way, it was a large representation of batman that was highly sucsesful and can't be downplayed. This is an example of what might have worked in one point in time, may not nessasarly work in another.
Now i know you next point will be..
"See, this is why ROTF is a fail, cause its corny and badly writen".
Personaly, i don't feel that way. I thought it had a goot plot and story. As much as can be expected based on the source material they had to go by.

Magnus_Rex wrote:And no one was asking for a masterful, enriched plot. Just one that is coherent.


Again, i had no problem following any parts of the movie. Everything fit together just fine. The only real thing that didn't make scence to me was the "drones" that formed Devestator, but i got over it and didn't let it ruin the movie for me.
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Re: Do you think Bay will be bacl for TF3?

Postby wingdarkness » Wed Jul 15, 2009 4:56 pm

5150 Cruiser wrote:
Here your problem. Batman & Robin and Batman Forever, were probably the most accurate in terms of looks and characters to the original series and comics. It was based of more core material. These two movies that were based off source material than Nolan's movies, were ultimately seen as the worse of the 6 movies by fans. This is what I'm talking about using source material for the TF movies. Many claim they don't feel bay "respected" the franchise and didn't play homage enough to G1 and other TF series, when in fact he did, and now everyone's bitch'in about it. At some point people need to realize that there's only so far you can go while being true to the original series, and still get this masterful, enriched plot that everyone seems to think there entitled to.


Here’s your problem…Batman, as a comic, hell as an institution has been done over and over again for more than 50 years…It has been attacked from every angle, every caveat, from psychedelic dancing 60’s Batman, to Terry McGinnis bumping and grinding on little Asian cheerleaders in Batman Beyond…The movies in-turn have also reflected this plethora of different themes and genre-changes within the genre…

Transformers on the other hand had never been done for the silver screen in a live adaptation, so taking liberties in the source material for Batman Begins (Just as was done in original Batman movie with Jack Napier being the one who kills Bruce’s parents) isn’t seen as something cataclysmic, especially coupled with the fact they are generally viewed as “good movies”…

Batman and Robin on the other hand suffered from being a badly executed movie, therefore it was gonna get more flak than a movie that didn’t follow the source material 100% yet was a damn good re-interpretation. Like “Begins and DARKNIGHT” (I’d like to add that lots of $hit in B&R didn’t seem like source stuff especially Batgirl being Alfred’s niece which WTFBBQ’d me and all of my frat brothers whom I saw that movie with at the time—I’d like to say that was a damn disgrace but I’m sure some geek greater than myself will cite some random DC “CRISIS” issue that says she was)…

So dude, it’s really not as simple as you want to try and make it but at the same time it’s not as complex as you think most of us who loathes Bay’s adaptation really want it… So what I think it is that YOU need to understand is that if fans who crave a movie that was respectful to the source material got a movie that wasn’t 100% faithful, we still probably couldn’t deny that the movie was good (Sorta like the new Star Trek)…But when YOU GO OUT OF YOUR WAY, like Mike Bay does to not only disrespect a virtual cornucopia of g1 fans and to make a movie version that many in and out of the fanbase from a critical standpoint acknowledge fails in basic execution, you have a recipe for the spiraling hate for this man and this movie that you witness everyday from awesome members like myself…


Finally, don’t equate throw-a-dog-a-bone homages with respectful homages…Oh we put Soundwave in the movie ejecting Ravage, so now I have permission to have unexplained Terminator 2 “Pretenders”, and make the “Matrix of Leadership” a sun-exploding weapon,…$hit doesn’t work like that…

The only thing I can think of remotely close to as bad as TF lore was treated with this movie is the anime series Gundam Seed Destiny (Anime heads should know it well—wiki it)…The reason oldskool Gundam fans hate this show (other than it’s horrible execution as a series like TF2 as a movie) is that it thought because it threw homage-suit after homage-suit to the older fans that that gave it the right to do anything it wanted with the characters and the plot…As if just because we see a suit we used to like from another series that would somehow comatose use on how bad everything else was…TF as a movie franchise and TF2 specifically does the same thing…When Bay and others realize that the hardcores CAN DEAL as long as you give us something with SOUL maybe they’ll win with original fans one day… You think exploding robots are cool? Boy imagine how cool it would have been to have watched robots with souls battle each other…One can only dream…
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Re: Do you think Bay will be bacl for TF3?

Postby Shadowman » Wed Jul 15, 2009 6:21 pm

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wingdarkness wrote:The only thing I can think of remotely close to as bad as TF lore was treated with this movie is the anime series Gundam Seed Destiny (Anime heads should know it well—wiki it)…The reason oldskool Gundam fans hate this show (other than it’s horrible execution as a series like TF2 as a movie) is that it thought because it threw homage-suit after homage-suit to the older fans that that gave it the right to do anything it wanted with the characters and the plot…As if just because we see a suit we used to like from another series that would somehow comatose use on how bad everything else was…


The actual problem with GSD is three things: First, the near-constant use of flashbacks. They couldn't go five minutes without a flashback. There was even three or so recap episodes; you don't need that many in a 50-episode series. Second, is having Kira return to be the main character and have Shinn take backseat. While in Zeta, Amuro (Who Kira is based off of) did return for several episodes, he never supplanted Kamille (Who Shinn is based off of) as the main character. Third, they made Cagalli a crybaby.

Aside from those two problems, GSD wasn't a bad series, but those problems brought the series down quite a bit. The reused designs weren't even a factor. Reused designs are as old as Gundam itself, especially Mono-eyed suits.

Now if you were to say, G Gundam, we'd have a conversation. Compared to G Gundam, the changes and problems in TF2 were practically unnoticeable.
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Re: Do you think Bay will be bacl for TF3?

Postby Tyrannotaur » Wed Jul 15, 2009 6:51 pm

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I really don't mind Micheal Bay. I see no problem with him. He isn't the best director ever, but I don't think he is horrible either. I own alot of his films cause he is good at making a "American Action Film", and they are all good movies for the most part. Although I didn't like Pearl Harbor.

I'd like him to do the third. It would seem to strange for him not too. I think he should be able to take some time off, do something else and then go back to it with a fresh mind. I think the problem with ROTF was he went right into it after the first one and then the writer's strike threw a wrench in the works for a bit, then being forced to meet release dates. I still enjoyed it though.

If he for whatever reason doesn't do it, I'd like Steven Spielberg to take over. He already produces it. He is my favorite director as well.
If not him then I think James Cameron, Christopher Nolan or Jerry Bruckheimer could do a good job. I still think Bay should do the third one. Then if they wanna reboot or w/e go right ahead. That seems to be the tread now-a-days.

They do need new writers though. Get whoever wrote the movie prequel comics or David Hater (yes Solid Snake), He wrote X2 which I enjoyed very much.
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Re: Do you think Bay will be bacl for TF3?

Postby Shadowman » Wed Jul 15, 2009 7:36 pm

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MegatronsLady420 wrote:look up updates from the user redxdogxsurfx on youtube, he says there will be a TF3 it'll be there by 2012


Don't see that as confirmation. I can't find his channel, but in no way does he count as a reputable news source.
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Re: Do you think Bay will be bacl for TF3?

Postby cybercat » Wed Jul 15, 2009 10:23 pm

Tyrannotaur wrote:They do need new writers though. Get whoever wrote the movie prequel comics....


Chris Mowry?

Awww. This is so sweet. I'm totally going to pass this on to him. (He *hunted me down* at Botcon to confront me about something I said here, and I've been trying to make it up to him ever since.

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Re: Do you think Bay will be bacl for TF3?

Postby Tyrannotaur » Wed Jul 15, 2009 11:41 pm

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Tyrannotaur wrote:They do need new writers though. Get whoever wrote the movie prequel comics....


Chris Mowry?

Awww. This is so sweet. I'm totally going to pass this on to him. (He *hunted me down* at Botcon to confront me about something I said here, and I've been trying to make it up to him ever since.

HK. Hey. At least SOMEONE hunted me down at Botcon.


Yeah, lol. I've been reading those lately. He did a good job. He already knows how to handle the characters and I think he would do a great job on it.
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Re: Do you think Bay will be bacl for TF3?

Postby wingdarkness » Thu Jul 16, 2009 9:25 am

Shadowman wrote:
wingdarkness wrote:The only thing I can think of remotely close to as bad as TF lore was treated with this movie is the anime series Gundam Seed Destiny (Anime heads should know it well—wiki it)…The reason oldskool Gundam fans hate this show (other than it’s horrible execution as a series like TF2 as a movie) is that it thought because it threw homage-suit after homage-suit to the older fans that that gave it the right to do anything it wanted with the characters and the plot…As if just because we see a suit we used to like from another series that would somehow comatose use on how bad everything else was…


The actual problem with GSD is three things: First, the near-constant use of flashbacks. They couldn't go five minutes without a flashback. There was even three or so recap episodes; you don't need that many in a 50-episode series. Second, is having Kira return to be the main character and have Shinn take backseat. While in Zeta, Amuro (Who Kira is based off of) did return for several episodes, he never supplanted Kamille (Who Shinn is based off of) as the main character. Third, they made Cagalli a crybaby.

Aside from those two problems, GSD wasn't a bad series, but those problems brought the series down quite a bit. The reused designs weren't even a factor. Reused designs are as old as Gundam itself, especially Mono-eyed suits.

Now if you were to say, G Gundam, we'd have a conversation. Compared to G Gundam, the changes and problems in TF2 were practically unnoticeable.


You’re absolutely 100% correct, but don’t say “The actual problem”, just say “additionally”…Because I’m actually more of an expert on Gundam than I am on TFs minus G1 of course^^…So don’t forget Morosawa’s script tardiness (Which was the reason so many flashback eps had to be made—Also part of the reason the movie has been stalled), Lacus Clyne’s “Mary Sue” ability to propel the plot (DESTINY PLAN = OMG He just wants to give people jobs, we gotta kill him!), and that GSD was the first Gundam series in history that nearly got pulled from the air completely just based on production deadline issues…I just wanted to correlate points between the 2 series inwhich soulless homages was also a huge gripe against the show like it is with many of us who hate the new TFs...

Additionally if you excuse all of this and still say GSD wasn’t a bad series then I totally understand why me and you will never agree on TFs because GSD might frankly be the worst production of a series in any media I’ve ever seen….Since the first caveman wrote the journey of a stickman on a slab of rock there has never been a book, a movie, or seemingly a tall tale, in which the “intended main character" (Shinn Asuka) gets totally stripped of his ability to drive the plot midway through a series in which he was established as the main character (From the midpoint on he's just a barking dawg)…It’s never happened methinks; I’ve asked this question of the hardest hardcores for years and have never gotten an undisputable answer…It’s probably the only thing I consider worst than the TF adaptation so I guess we’ll never agree on this stuff…
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Re: Do you think Bay will be bacl for TF3?

Postby Shadowman » Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:30 am

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If you think that's bad, let me tell you about G Gundam. It was the first of the AU series, and took everything Gundam had been built up into (Horrors of war, ideology, heavily conflicted characters, etc.) tossed that out the window, and convinced it it was supposed to be DBZ. And don't get me started on the designs.

RotF had its problems, but at least it didn't remove the War concept and make it a damn martial arts tournament.

...But then we can agree 00 was awesome. (Despite having so many character I want to punch in the face)
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Re: Do you think Bay will be bacl for TF3?

Postby noctorro » Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:46 am

Hi peoples,

I think bay would stay for the third instalment. Yess ROTF was a boxoffice succes but that's because it's Transformers! Even if people knew it had more gore/humor/cursing etc. they would still go. I didn't like a lot of stuff but still went for the second time tuesday. I just hope Bay gets shot with two or three tranquilizers during his directing, and that there are writers who can fucus on Transformers alone.

That said, I've read a lot of comments of a twelve year old could write a better story. And I've been saying the same thing. (well I actually said 8 year old) But then I thought, okay... proof it...
So yesterday night I layed down my writing skills. I'm 24 and a full time transformers fan so read at your own risk :)

Okay to Transformers 3:
The Decepticons are defeated, a few are in some sort of Transformer prison cells on earth underground. They are guarded by Autobots and the human military.
The remaining Decepticons are on the moon. Sometimes they make guerrilla raids on human energy power plants but the situation is easy on earth.
Autobots and humans are living together, and for the first time you actually see “civilian” autobots. Transformers who don't have weapons, who aren't well armored but are carriers, workers, builders etc. Non violent Transformers.
From the dead planet Cybertron two pods-protoforms launch and they heading towards Earth. 1 small protoform and one big protoform. These protoforms have a strange glow around them that indicate that they aren't normal Transformers.

Megatron is still plotting a way to get enough energon to activate more Decepticon protoforms. There might be a small organized Decepticon attack but the Autobots and human military force them to retreat. No killing in this scene.

In space Soundwave still is spying around. He picks up a signal. It's one of the 2 smaller strange protoforms. He tries to communicate his findings to Megatron but even his superior communication devices are no match for the other's jamming signals. Soundwave then tries to intercept the unknown transformer. The protoform transformers and engages Soundwave. The unknown transformer is called Shockwave and has a cool Cybertronian high maneuver aircraft alternative mode. But Soundwave is defeated and drifts damaged into space.

The big one arrives and lands/crashes on Earth. This Transformer is huge, he's Trypticon. Trypticon is spotted when he lands and the Autobots mobilize. Megatron sends out Starscream to have a look at the new Transformer. Megatron knows that it's not a Decepticon nor an Autobot. So Starscream spies on the situation to unfold.
The Autobots think it's a decepticon, a battle starts. When the autobots get on the scene they detect three Transformer protoforms on their radar. All of a sudden three Transformers attack them. These three are a lion like animal, a cybertronian mobile gun platform tank and a cybertronian attack yet. These three are engaging the autobots. The Autobots are present in good numbers, Ratchet, Jolt, Optimus Prime, Ironhide, Bumblebee, Sideswipe and another new Autobot. They can hardly handle the three unknown Transformers but do seem to get the upper hand. The three are forced into a corner (this can be city buildings or hill in the woods.
Then Ratchet says: “I don't understand it Prime, we picked up only one protoform landing here, and they don't look Decepticon to me. Good thing we got them under control.” And then they start to transform and combine into Trypticon! He should be kind of like Devastator, only smaller and maybe have a bit more of a human like form. Nonetheless Trypticon is big, and size does matter when it comes to Transformers. So the Autobots engage him again but get their butts kicked. One Autobot should die here.
Meanwhile Starscream is viewing the battle and corresponding to Megatron. Megatron: “He's just like Devastator, what a good soldier he would be for the Decepticon cause.”
Starscream: “I don't think he'd want to work for us Megatron.”
At the end of the battle Optimus is laying on the floor with Trypticon standing over him. Trypticon scans Optimus and identifies him. Then Trypticon shoots a small strange laser into Optims, then transformers into the three units and escapes.

The Autobots try to help their damaged, Ratchet and jolt do some screentime fixing critical Autobots in need. Then Ratchet comes to Optimus.
Ratchet: “Optimus, glad that thing just flew of, let me have a look at that shoulder of yours.”
Optimus: “I'm fine.”
Ratchet: “Well it doesn't look that way.”
Optimus kind of shouts angry: “I said I'm fine!.”
And gives Ratchet a small elbow push and walks past him. From this point on the viewer know that something has happened to Optimus Prime.

After the battle there's a debriefing with the humans having their concerns again and kind of pointing the fingers at the autobots for luring trouble to our planet.
And a day later there is another attack. The Autobots roll out but Optimus is elsewhere doing business with the humans. The Autobots encounter a black transformer who looks like Optimus Prime. But soon discover that it's not Optimus for he attacks them. Ratchet scans the enemy Transformer and confirms that it's not Optimus. He concludes that it's a Decepticon trick because Starscream and another Decepticon arrive at the scene but aren't attacked by the Black Optimus. So the Autobots consider Black Prime as just some Decepticon playing a sick joke. The battle starts, the Decepticons take backstage at the command of Starscream because he knows Black Prime isn't a Decepticon but he still think that it would be good that Black Prime wears the Autobots down so that he can finish the rest. The battle doesn't go well, he might be a fake Optimus but he is just as strong as Optimus. Starscream and the other Decepticon decide to join in. But then Black Prime goes berserk and attacks everybody. The Decepticons retreat but the Autobots get the upper hand. Black Optimus retreats.
Later on they discuss what they have fought against with Optimus Prime. Prime doesn't know anything but is a bit on edge. He seems fine, not damaged at all.

Then an all Decepticon scene.
Megatron is discussing what has been discovered with Starscream and the other Decepticons on the moon. All of a sudden something is heading their way.
Megatron: “Since when can Autobots fly?”
All of a sudden the signal splits into three signals.
Starscream: “Eh Megatron, I think it's our big friend. Now is your time to give him a job interview.”
Megatron: “Decepticons prepare for battle”
So all the Decepticons engage the three. The battle is kind of more ferocious then normal since Decepticons are real combat Transformers. But still they kind of lose. And again the leader ends up beaten down on the ground with Trypticon in combined form over him. Trypticon scans Megatron and identifies him. But this time he doesn't shoot the weird laser. This is because Megatron isn't a real or true Prime (yet? TF4?).
Trypticon transformers back and leaves the moon. Leaving all Decepticons trashed. The good Decepticon doctor Scalpel has a lot of fixing to do.

Back on Earth.
The Autobots get a message from the Decepticons saying that they want a ceasefire and talk. Megatron and Starscream meet up with Ratchet and Optimus Prime somewhere in the desert.
Megatron: “Optimus Prime... It seems that we have a common enemy. The Transformer that changes into three seperate forms, I believe you have met in battle.”
Optimus Prime: “So it is not a Decepticon.”
Megatron: “No Prime, it is not one of us, but he is extremely dangerous. I suggest we work together to destroy him. This would be in both our best interests.”
Optimus Prime: “This is the first time you've asked me for help Megatron. I agree, the unknown Transformer is to dangerous to keep on this planet. What do you suggest?”
Megatron: “If we combine our strengths and attack him head on. In a non human populated zone of course. We might stand a chance.”
Ratchet: “Permission to speak Optimus.”
Optimus Prime: “Permission granted.”
Ratchet: “I don't think we stand a good chance even if we attack him all together. But I do know a Transformer who might succeed.”
Megatron: “And who do you speak of Autobot?”
Ratchet: “Devastator, He is the biggest and strongest Transformer on Earth.”
Megatron: “The Constructicons are to damaged and can hardly combine thanks to the humans.”
Ratchet: “Maybe we can help? With your permission of course Prime.”

Now here's a tough decision, Optimus has to decide if they help repair a very big foe in order to protect the humans, themselves but also their enemies the Decepticons.
Here we have a situation that I always love about movies, I also think it would be a good story dilemma for the movie.

Optimus Prime thinks, but he agrees to it. The Autobot repair crew and Megatron with his Constructicons arrive at a neutral area and start repairs. Of course there is the usual Autobot – Decepticon dialogue interaction. Autobots would be saying stuff like: “Why do you always have to destroy everything.” And Decepticons would be saying: “Why are you protecting such an inferior race who would rather have you leave their mud ball of a planet.”
At the end of the scene the Constructicons look like new, transform and combine into Devastator. Then the Autobots take a step back and get ready for battle. But Megatron tells Devastator to stand down and that he has a special job for him.
Optimus Prime transforms and leaves without saying anything to his fellow Autbots.

Later on Sam, Mikaela and Bumblebee think that Optimus Prime has been acting a little strange and follow him. Then they end up in an alley. Optimus transforms and doesn't notice them spying on him. Then he feels pain and starts to fall on his knees. Then Sam sees that Optimus Prime slowly becomes black and his eyes red.
He now knows that Black Prime is in fact Optimus Prime and not some Decepticon infiltrator. He radios for the Autobots who hurry up and get there. A battle starts, Optimus can't control himself. Mikaela suggets that they call for Decepticon help but Bumblebee says that the Decepticons would see this as a perfect opportunity to kill Optimus. The battle grows grimmer and Autobots are really starting to get damaged. Then Sam heroically steps in and tells Optimus to calm down. Optimus tries to fight the Darkness but can barely contain the black Chaos.
Optimus Prime: “SSSam, run... save... yourself.”
Optimus Prime: “Ironhide... you know... what to do...”
Ironhide: “Optimus, I can't.”
Optimus Prime opens his chest. Ironhide gets his cannon ready. Then Ratchet steps in and shoots some sort of sonic wave in Optimus' chest and he falls down and turns back to his normal colors.
Ratchet: “He's not offline, he's in stasislock. But he will be for quite some time.”
Sam: “But what about Trypticon and the Decepticons?” (By now they know the name of the big Transformer)
Ironhide: “We'll just have to battle him without Optimus and hope Megatron doesn't find out that our leader isn't fit for battle.“

The following morning Shockwave and Trypticon are standing in the desert.
Shockwave: “Trypticon, the virus has done it's job. The Primes have been taken care of. Now it is time to prepare this planet for assimilation.”
Trypticon: “Feed...”
Trypticon and Shockwave appear in the city and Trypticon starts digging in the ground. Shockwave hangs in the sky waiting for the Autobots.
The Autobots and Decepticons mobilize together and get ready to attack Trypticon.
When they arrive Trypticon transformers into the three and engages his enemies.
Shockwave: “I can't believe my optics, Autobots and Decepticons working together? The world is indeed coming to an end.”
Megatron: “The only thing that is coming to an end is you!”
Shockwave: “Trypticon! Merge and show them who will end!”
Ironhide: “Headsup! Here we go!”
The Autobots and Decepticons attack Trypticon. But can barely keep up.
All of a sudden the Autobots and Decepticons retreat.
Shockwave: “Even with your forces combined, you still don't stand a chance. What makes you think your kind should rule over the universe.”
Megatron: “Enough of this, Constructicons, merge into Devastator!”
The Constructicons step out of the mixed Transformers ranks and transform into Devastator. Now the battle between the two combiners starts right in the middle of the city. A big battle. But it seems that even Devastator has a hard time.
Sam: “You go to help him Bumblebee, he's not going to make it.”
So the others join in but Devastator is clearly the one laying down the big significant punches, the others just bug Trypticon. But eventually they get the upper hand.
Devastator destroys Trypticon with a killing blow but is crippled himself and falls over. Megatron stands up. Shockwave looks up and is kind of worried.
Shockwave: “Impossible! Something is wrong.”
Then he looks at Megatron and scans him.
Shockwave: “You... You are one as well!”
And Shockwave attacks Megatron. Megatron is a bit worn down by the fight with Trypticon and can barely keep up with Shockwave. Megatron does lay down some good attacks to Shockwave but he simply doesn't have the strength anymore to put up a good fight. Megatron falls down in defeat. Right at the moment that Shockwave is going to finish Megatron Optimus arrives at the scene.
Optimus Prime: “Shockwave, I know your plans and I'm here to prevent them.”
Shockwave: “Prime! You're suppose to be different! Very well, I'll finish you myself!”
Then the battle between Prime and Shockwave starts. Prime starts of well since he's recovered from the Black Chaos but Shockwave is a tough customer. When Shockwave is looking like he's going to win Megatron joins the fight. They both defeat Shockwave. Optimus Prime and Megatron are standing over him.
Optimus Prime: “I'm glad he couldn't fulfill his mission.”
Megatron shoots Shockwave dead in the chest.
Megatron: “And he never will.”
Optimus looks a kind of condemning Megatron's action but he knows that Shockwave would continue to try and destroy earth and all Transformers if he were to survive.
Optimus Prime: “So what will you do now?”
Megatron: “There shall be no more fighting today. Decepticons back to base!”
Sam: “He doesn't even say thanks?”
Optimus Prime: “Not fighting us now is his way of saying thank you.”
Sam: “Does this mean the wars over?”
Optimus Prime: “If only that were true.”

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Sorry there isn't a lot of human humor or humans at all in this scenario. The Megatron's origins has been peeked at, he could be a Prime or become one in the later Transformers movies and the character can be deepened more. Great villains are cool, but great villains with some good in their cause are better!. Also no Arcee stuff, they should be in the “chill with the Autobot scenes” where they can explain why they look like female Transformers etc.

Shockwave and Trypticon are generals of Unicron, kind of like Optimus Prime is a guardian of Primus (Cybertron). But the viewers will think that Trypticon is actually the one who's going to “eat” the planet. But that's not the case. It is Unicron. Shockwave and Trypticon have to prepare Earth by putting something in Earth's core that kills all life on the surface. Then the dead planet can be consumed.
At the end of the movie the viewers will think. Trypticon/Shockwave are dead so end of story. But then there is a glimpse of something big that slowly appears in the shadow of Mars. Big as in planet sized big!
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