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T-Macksimus wrote:5150 Cruiser wrote: a director Being a fan of the franchise does not mean the movie will turn out better. Like others have said, Bay is the man for the Job. TF has never, i repeat NEVER been about in depth story and plot. Its always been about the action, fight scenes and characters. Granted the movies could have used better character development, but they were not ignored as much as many claim they were.
Personally, I'd much rather have kick ass action and one liners than a 2 hour Doctor Phil secion between all the characters.
Right about now is the point where I start questioning my own sanity. At least I'm going to cover my a$$ going into this one...
While the action fan in me agrees entirely with you 5150, I'm going to play devils advocate again and ask what you think might work well for the kids that will no doubt be seeing TF3. Sure, we as adult males are going to enjoy the hell out of Bays return and thrill in the bot melee we know is coming (and Megan Fox) but is our take on things really in Hasbros best interest? They do kind of have the whole franchise in the palm of their hand and their target demographic is ultimately what they will cater to.
I know, so totally the kind of questions you didn't want to hear. I'm a wet blanket, I know. But it is just one of many ways to look at it and I did still side with the action aspect too. I'm not a total downer.
Shadowman wrote:I will put forth the theory that it was the internet itself trying to punch him in the face.
Shadowman wrote:Koray wrote:Better than not talking robots.
What did Ratchet, Arcee, Ironhide, Jolt said in the movie? Nothing.
Jolt had none. Every other Autobot had at least two lines. Except Bumblebee, of course. Arcee had one at the beginning, then one later in Egypt. (Something along the lines of "We'll take you to Prime") Ironhide had a handful of lines, in particular "I smell him..." as well as the extreme outrage at the humans pointing weapons at him. Ratchet had a few lines, including overseeing Jetfire's parts being transplanted onto Optimus. Sideswipe had a few lines while chasing Sideways, as well as a few during the battle in Egypt.
EDIT: Bay has to stay for Part 3. Look what happened to X-Men. Bryan Singer left, Brett Ratner comes in, and then it all just goes to hell. And don't tell me Bryan Singer would be better, he did Superman Returns after all.
Whoever the director was that did Aliens or the first Teminator. Either of these guys seemed to know how to direct movies about aliens or mecha, and so I feel these would be better for the job of a Transformers movie. But only after Bay's third movie is done, so we can get a proper reboot.hellkitty wrote:
My question really is, because I *am* sympathetic to the Bay hatred out there...
If not Bay, well, then, who?
Seriously, I admit Bay isn't PERFECT, but I can sure think of a lot WORSE choices. So, help me out, who would do better?
Koray wrote:he absoulutely needs help g1 cartoon story writers would do good(except the one who killed optimus and starscream at 86).
Zombie Starscream wrote:Whoever the director was that did Aliens or the first Teminator. Either of these guys seemed to know how to direct movies about aliens or mecha, and so I feel these would be better for the job of a Transformers movie. But only after Bay's third movie is done, so we can get a proper reboot.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Flare wrote:George Lucas might... But remember how many people hated Megatron turning into Darth Vader and The Fallen playing the role of the Emperor? Do we really need our Transformers turning into Star Wars?
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Whoever the director was that did Aliens or the first Teminator. Either of these guys seemed to know how to direct movies about aliens or mecha, and so I feel these would be better for the job of a Transformers movie. But only after Bay's third movie is done, so we can get a proper reboot.[/quote]Zombie Starscream wrote:
Koray wrote: Also it seems everyone loved action in the movie but about story he absoulutely needs help g1 cartoon story writers would do good(except the one who killed optimus and starscream at 86).
Shadowman wrote:I will put forth the theory that it was the internet itself trying to punch him in the face.
5150 Cruiser wrote:Koray wrote: Also it seems everyone loved action in the movie but about story he absoulutely needs help g1 cartoon story writers would do good(except the one who killed optimus and starscream at 86).
THis is what makes no scense what so ever. The 86' movie as well as the intire G1 series had horrible stories. They were corny, full of plot holes, and are badly writen. Then they complain of the same in TF1 and ROTF. I really don't understand what people want from a TF movie. The story and plot are all basedoff TF mytho's. What more do you expect???? If you don't like the current movie stories, then you have noone to blame but the TF franchise its based on. The writers are doing what they can to aplease us, but it seems like its a no win situation.
5150 Cruiser wrote:Koray wrote: Also it seems everyone loved action in the movie but about story he absoulutely needs help g1 cartoon story writers would do good(except the one who killed optimus and starscream at 86).
THis is what makes no scense what so ever. The 86' movie as well as the intire G1 series had horrible stories. They were corny, full of plot holes, and are badly writen. Then they complain of the same in TF1 and ROTF. I really don't understand what people want from a TF movie. The story and plot are all basedoff TF mytho's. What more do you expect???? If you don't like the current movie stories, then you have noone to blame but the TF franchise its based on. The writers are doing what they can to aplease us, but it seems like its a no win situation.
5150 Cruiser wrote:Koray wrote: Also it seems everyone loved action in the movie but about story he absoulutely needs help g1 cartoon story writers would do good(except the one who killed optimus and starscream at 86).
THis is what makes no scense what so ever. The 86' movie as well as the intire G1 series had horrible stories. They were corny, full of plot holes, and are badly writen. Then they complain of the same in TF1 and ROTF. I really don't understand what people want from a TF movie. The story and plot are all basedoff TF mytho's. What more do you expect???? If you don't like the current movie stories, then you have noone to blame but the TF franchise its based on. The writers are doing what they can to aplease us, but it seems like its a no win situation.
T-Macksimus wrote:
People are willing to embrace the "suspension of disbelief' concept to allow that giant,sentient alien robots can transform into vehicles and weapons and appliances and then want to push it one step beyond by believing that depth and intricacy can be extracted from a TOY LINE and made into an epic screen spectacle that can please everyone. To this I have to say...![]()
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Now THAT is what falls into the 'Suspension of Disbelief' category.
Magnus_Rex wrote:
So because the G1 series and 86 movie had horrible stories, were corny, and full of plot holes, then I should expect the same treatment from from TF1 and ROTF?
Koray wrote:
I didnt like Batman movies before Christopher Nolan (ex: Batman Forever,Batman & Robin) and never blamed Batman about that, never asked my self Koray what do you want more from a Batman movie. People wrote their dissappointments about movie and its 17paged movie review thread(i dont want to make a list of my dissappointments it would be offtopic). People may did not like the g1 writers i respect that; but it is obvious Bay&Spilberg made a bad job here especially only Bay(07 movie) was better.
Bay needs a wingman or replaced at third movie i say that.
Shadowman wrote:I will put forth the theory that it was the internet itself trying to punch him in the face.
5150 Cruiser wrote:Magnus_Rex wrote:
So because the G1 series and 86 movie had horrible stories, were corny, and full of plot holes, then I should expect the same treatment from from TF1 and ROTF?
Your the one comparing the two. If you acknowledge that the original series and movie were badly written, had major plot holes and were corny as hell, why you'd you want the same writers to do the new movies, or why do you feel they would do any better?Koray wrote:
I didnt like Batman movies before Christopher Nolan (ex: Batman Forever,Batman & Robin) and never blamed Batman about that, never asked my self Koray what do you want more from a Batman movie. People wrote their dissappointments about movie and its 17paged movie review thread(i dont want to make a list of my dissappointments it would be offtopic). People may did not like the g1 writers i respect that; but it is obvious Bay&Spilberg made a bad job here especially only Bay(07 movie) was better.
Bay needs a wingman or replaced at third movie i say that.
Here your problem. Batman & Robin and Batman Forever, were probably the most accurate in terms of looks and characters to the original series and comics. It was based of more core material. These two movies that were based off source material than Nolan's movies, were ultimately seen as the worse of the 6 movies by fans. This is what I'm talking about using source material for the TF movies. Many claim they don't feel bay "respected" the franchise and didn't play homage enough to G1 and other TF series, when in fact he did, and now everyone's bitch'in about it. At some point people need to realize that there's only so far you can go while being true to the original series, and still get this masterful, enriched plot that everyone seems to think there entitled to.
Magnus_Rex wrote: Um, no I'm not the one comparing the two. I think you're confused. Are you implying that I want the writers of the 80's cartoon and movie to write the current movies? No I don't. But the way the movie was presented, I couldn't really tell the difference.
Magnus_Rex wrote:And what do you mean Batman Forever and Batman and Robin were based more off the core material? Would that be the core material from the 1940's when Batman was actually pretty dark and even had a gun? Or would it be the 50's and 60's when he was wussified because comics were thought to be to violent for kids? Or the 70's when they decided to make Batman more like he was in the 40's? And the Nolan movies were seen as worst of the 6 by fans? Seriously, you're being sarcastic right? I know people that didn't like the Nolan movies, but worse that Batman Forever and Batman and Robin....
Magnus_Rex wrote:And no one was asking for a masterful, enriched plot. Just one that is coherent.
Shadowman wrote:I will put forth the theory that it was the internet itself trying to punch him in the face.
5150 Cruiser wrote:
Here your problem. Batman & Robin and Batman Forever, were probably the most accurate in terms of looks and characters to the original series and comics. It was based of more core material. These two movies that were based off source material than Nolan's movies, were ultimately seen as the worse of the 6 movies by fans. This is what I'm talking about using source material for the TF movies. Many claim they don't feel bay "respected" the franchise and didn't play homage enough to G1 and other TF series, when in fact he did, and now everyone's bitch'in about it. At some point people need to realize that there's only so far you can go while being true to the original series, and still get this masterful, enriched plot that everyone seems to think there entitled to.
wingdarkness wrote:The only thing I can think of remotely close to as bad as TF lore was treated with this movie is the anime series Gundam Seed Destiny (Anime heads should know it well—wiki it)…The reason oldskool Gundam fans hate this show (other than it’s horrible execution as a series like TF2 as a movie) is that it thought because it threw homage-suit after homage-suit to the older fans that that gave it the right to do anything it wanted with the characters and the plot…As if just because we see a suit we used to like from another series that would somehow comatose use on how bad everything else was…
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
MegatronsLady420 wrote:look up updates from the user redxdogxsurfx on youtube, he says there will be a TF3 it'll be there by 2012
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Tyrannotaur wrote:They do need new writers though. Get whoever wrote the movie prequel comics....
hellkitty wrote:Tyrannotaur wrote:They do need new writers though. Get whoever wrote the movie prequel comics....
Chris Mowry?
Awww. This is so sweet. I'm totally going to pass this on to him. (He *hunted me down* at Botcon to confront me about something I said here, and I've been trying to make it up to him ever since.
HK. Hey. At least SOMEONE hunted me down at Botcon.
Shadowman wrote:wingdarkness wrote:The only thing I can think of remotely close to as bad as TF lore was treated with this movie is the anime series Gundam Seed Destiny (Anime heads should know it well—wiki it)…The reason oldskool Gundam fans hate this show (other than it’s horrible execution as a series like TF2 as a movie) is that it thought because it threw homage-suit after homage-suit to the older fans that that gave it the right to do anything it wanted with the characters and the plot…As if just because we see a suit we used to like from another series that would somehow comatose use on how bad everything else was…
The actual problem with GSD is three things: First, the near-constant use of flashbacks. They couldn't go five minutes without a flashback. There was even three or so recap episodes; you don't need that many in a 50-episode series. Second, is having Kira return to be the main character and have Shinn take backseat. While in Zeta, Amuro (Who Kira is based off of) did return for several episodes, he never supplanted Kamille (Who Shinn is based off of) as the main character. Third, they made Cagalli a crybaby.
Aside from those two problems, GSD wasn't a bad series, but those problems brought the series down quite a bit. The reused designs weren't even a factor. Reused designs are as old as Gundam itself, especially Mono-eyed suits.
Now if you were to say, G Gundam, we'd have a conversation. Compared to G Gundam, the changes and problems in TF2 were practically unnoticeable.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
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