The Energon Pub

For those of you watching Prime do you feel that Smokesreen is what he claims to be?I personally feel he's hiding something because when the red energon popped up Starscream was the only Decepticon after it.

LordScourge wrote:For those of you watching Prime do you feel that Smokesreen is what he claims to be?I personally feel he's hiding something because when the red energon popped up Starscream was the only Decepticon after it.

Personally, I doubt it. While they certainly used the angle in his debut episode (even mentioning it), they already went the "mole" route back in Season 1 (very early even). I think Smokescreen is what he says he is: a trained, though inexperienced, new recruit to team Prime.

Besides, Smokescreen has always been an Autobot name, and Hasbro's not likely to change that. However, had he been named Mirage...

As for Starscream being the only Decepticon after the red energon - well, even Soundwave is allowed to have an off day.

Archanubis wrote:

LordScourge wrote:For those of you watching Prime do you feel that Smokesreen is what he claims to be?I personally feel he's hiding something because when the red energon popped up Starscream was the only Decepticon after it.

Personally, I doubt it. While they certainly used the angle in his debut episode (even mentioning it), they already went the "mole" route back in Season 1 (very early even). I think Smokescreen is what he says he is: a trained, though inexperienced, new recruit to team Prime.

Besides, Smokescreen has always been an Autobot name, and Hasbro's not likely to change that. However, had he been named Mirage...

As for Starscream being the only Decepticon after the red energon - well, even Soundwave is allowed to have an off day.

Well there is actually an incarnation of Smokescreen that was a decpticon and guess who his partner was? Any guesses? It was Dreadwing.

http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Smokescreen_(G2)

If he is, then I will be sorely disappointed since he's the best Autobot character we've had so far with the most potential.

We do know that he becomes a hostage later on, but if his capture is part of a more elaborate Decepticon scheme that he's personally involved in, then this show will just throw away another good concept with the rest of them.

Though,

LordScourge wrote:I personally feel he's hiding something because when the red energon popped up Starscream was the only Decepticon after it.

Starscream is a lone wolf now. Of course he'd come alone since he's the only one on his side. He detected the Red Energon first, so it'd make sense for him to go by himself. The other Cons were probably busy, just like in other episodes where they don't bother to do anything.

LordScourge wrote:Well there is actually an incarnation of Smokescreen that was a decpticon and guess who his partner was? Any guesses? It was Dreadwing.

http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Smokescreen_(G2)

Ew, TF Wikia.

Anyway, this would hold more weight to it if A) Smokescreen were a jet or shared designs with G2 Smokescreen, and B) Dreadwing had any personality traits of G2 Dreadwing.

It wouldn't surprise me and would be a welcome change. Smokescreen's intro is very forced and fanfiction-y. I was disappointed. I do like the way he thinks (Apex Armor + Bulkhead = what I was thinking the moment it came off Starscream) at times, but the intro has thrown me off to his character.

There's still some small evidence to support it: It's very telling Wheeljack wasn't called in for back up as well. There is the whole G2 Dreadwing/Smokescreen connection, if in name only. And the story of Smokescreen getting trounced and living through the Decepticon raid is fairly weak. And he did come from a Decepticon escape pod.

It also could be he's a tried and true Autobot working for the Decepticons - perhaps they told Smokescreen they would harm Alpha Trion if he didn't spy. Although if Megatron had A3 he wouldn't have needed Orion Pax - unless Shockwave's still alive and got him.

Eh. We'll see.

Well, after seeing the clip from Friday's new episode, Megatron clearly has no idea who Smokescreen is.

"WHO IN THE PITS OF KAON IS THAT?!!!"

Not a fan of this new character, too much like Hot Rod. But better than Bumblebee at least. Some one had to fill in the gap between Arcee and the rest. She's def not into Fat bots, old doc bots, or even bots triple her size (prime). Smokescreen will have a connection with Arcee methinks.
and then in the end BAM
he's a Decepticon.
don't think smoky is a Con. He's too friendly.

Sabrblade wrote:Well, after seeing the clip from Friday's new episode, Megatron clearly has no idea who Smokescreen is.

"WHO IN THE PITS OF KAON IS THAT?!!!"

Finally saw the clip. I was afraid Megatron was saying the above quote with some reverence, since you decided to put it in all caps. So glad he was just pointing out that only a complete and utter idiot would charge across a potential battlefield.

Smokescreen being a 'con is still in the realm of possibility, though. The Decepticons seems just as splintered as the Autobots, so having an actual usurper out there somewhere is in the realm of possibility.

Though that last clip makes me think he is just another gung-ho kid friendly character. Which is unnecessary given some of the cast.

I'd be furious if he was an actual Decepticon but agree that it's low on the possibilities list. He was shown 'snooping' through the Autobots relics chamber but seemed innocent enough about it, tho he IS the diversionary Tactician so who knows what kind of mind games he might be playing with us.

Being a true-blue Autobot who has been forced to do something for the Decepticons: It could be possible that they want him to lead them to Alpha Trion since he got to Optimus and nothing happened.He hasn't said something about trying to get to A3, or anyone/thing else, so that, as a story driver, has not been enforced yet. Since he hasn't done it it two episodes I'd treat it as not part of his character development, and therefore not part of the Prime Universe at all.

The Smokescreen that I know, were he the hostage of some type of forced undercover job, would tell the Autobots all about it and the lot would come up with some kind of fancy trick to mislead the Decepticons into an embarrassing wild goose chase. Optimus trusts him. We'll see. Maybe he IS Alpha Trion hiding in a Body that the real Smokescreen sacrificed to hide A3 in.

G1 Smoketreader wrote:I'd be furious if he was an actual Decepticon but agree that it's low on the possibilities list. He was shown 'snooping' through the Autobots relics chamber but seemed innocent enough about it, tho he IS the diversionary Tactician so who knows what kind of mind games he might be playing with us.

He's got so much potential of being the Autobot Lieutenant

He hasn't said something about trying to get to A3, or anyone/thing else, so that, as a story driver, has not been enforced yet. Since he hasn't done it it two episodes I'd treat it as not part of his character development, and therefore not part of the Prime Universe at all.

Smokescreen was the last line of defense. He had the choice of getting to Alpha Trion or stopping the invasion.

How does the fact that it's not part of his character development mean that it's not part of the Prime Universe? Elaborate.

Maybe he IS Alpha Trion hiding in a Body that the real Smokescreen sacrificed to hide A3 in.

I doubt it.

budmaloney wrote:Smokescreen will have a connection with Arcee methinks.

Unless they pull an Aesop Amnesia, after what Smokescreen pulled in "Legacy," I seriously doubt it.

I think he's Autobot, but I also think he has his own agenda. Maybe his mission is to recover relics like Megatron's ship in flying mind?

Personally I will scream if he and Dreadwing have an encounter and Dreadwing instantly pulls a gun on him screaming "You foul loathsome piece of scrap I thought I did away with you on Cybertron!" then when the Autobots ask what is going on Smokescreen acts like Dreadwing is crazy and Dreadwing shouts "He can play dumb all he wants there's no denying he's the war criminal that played both sides creating skirmishes between enemy's and allies alike and all to get his hands on relics for profit!"

Also even if Megatron doesn't know him it doesn't mean that he isn't a spy he could be reporting to Sound Wave. I remember a show where something like that happened it was Supernatural Ruby's exact words were "I was the best of those sons of bitches the most loyal! No one knew not even Alastair!" Something similar might be going on. For all we know Megatron might know there is a spy but only Soundewave may know who it is.

Though he might be "The Fallen" I heard he'll be making an appearance and it would be a good twist especially with all newbie comments made toward him and apparent fascination and knowledge of the relics.

LordScourge wrote:Personally I will scream if he and Dreadwing have an encounter and Dreadwing instantly pulls a gun on him screaming "You foul loathsome piece of scrap I thought I did away with you on Cybertron!" then when the Autobots ask what is going on Smokescreen acts like Dreadwing is crazy and Dreadwing shouts "He can play dumb all he wants there's no denying he's the war criminal that played both sides creating skirmishes between enemy's and allies alike and all to get his hands on relics for profit!"

So, what, he's Swindle?

And, why would he have been after relics during the war if the relics didn't come into importance in the whole story until after the war was over, even after the Great Exodus?

Doesn't help that the latest episode hints at Dreadwing having not been on Cybertron during the final chapter of the war, since he doesn't seem to know about Megatron having been the one to destroy Cybertron. So he couldn't have been on Cybertron at the time to have such a confrontation with "Smokescreen".

LordScourge wrote:Though he might be "The Fallen" I heard he'll be making an appearance and it would be a good twist especially with all newbie comments made toward him and apparent fascination and knowledge of the relics.

From where/who? What's the source on this? No official outlet has made any mention of The Fallen showing up. At most, The Fallen was mentioned in jest by Bulkhead in one episode, but that was a note of sarcasm from him.

Sabrblade wrote:

LordScourge wrote:Personally I will scream if he and Dreadwing have an encounter and Dreadwing instantly pulls a gun on him screaming "You foul loathsome piece of scrap I thought I did away with you on Cybertron!" then when the Autobots ask what is going on Smokescreen acts like Dreadwing is crazy and Dreadwing shouts "He can play dumb all he wants there's no denying he's the war criminal that played both sides creating skirmishes between enemy's and allies alike and all to get his hands on relics for profit!"

So, what, he's Swindle?

And, why would he have been after relics during the war if the relics didn't come into importance in the whole story until after the war was over, even after the Great Exodus?

Doesn't help that the latest episode hints at Dreadwing having not been on Cybertron during the final chapter of the war, since he doesn't seem to know about Megatron having been the one to destroy Cybertron. So he couldn't have been on Cybertron at the time to have such a confrontation with "Smokescreen".

LordScourge wrote:Though he might be "The Fallen" I heard he'll be making an appearance and it would be a good twist especially with all newbie comments made toward him and apparent fascination and knowledge of the relics.

From where/who? What's the source on this? No official outlet has made any mention of The Fallen showing up. At most, The Fallen was mentioned in jest by Bulkhead in one episode, but that was a note of sarcasm from him.

Well I can't imagine those are the only relics and I certainly can't imagine that those are the only relics in all of cybertronian history. I also never said any history between them could have corresponded in the final chapter of the war or even on Cybertron for that matter. As for the Fallen some one else on here mentioned he might appear and seeing as how Alpha Trion is showing up it's not that far of a stretch to think that The Fallen might appear.

Now I concede there is no conection but as far as I'm concerned Smokescreen is still up for debate.

LordScourge wrote: As for the Fallen some one else on here mentioned he might appear and seeing as how Alpha Trion is showing up it's not that far of a stretch to think that The Fallen might appear.

How does Alpha Trion's appearance confirm the Fallen in any way?

Besides, the Fallen has already appeared in a flashback and I don't expect him to appear again.

Next episode is called "Inside Job" and OP is deceived? Hmmm... looking forward to seeing how this plays out.

Even though I truly want Smokescreen to be a genuine Autobot, here's another idea.

Since Beast hunters is supposed to be season 3 or a later story, what if Smokescreen IS a part of a villainous plot, but not one by the Decepticons, rather, one by the Star Seekers?

Suppose the season 2 finale involves him somehow being used with the Omega Lock and keys to bring the Star Seekers into the show. Like if Cybertron get revived but in their image, like a supposed beast-ified Cybertron that starts up a sort of "enemies hunting each other" story arc on Cybertron?

Sabrblade wrote:Even though I truly want Smokescreen to be a genuine Autobot, here's another idea.

Since Beast hunters is supposed to be season 3 or a later story, what if Smokescreen IS a part of a villainous plot, but not one by the Decepticons, rather, one by the Star Seekers?

Suppose the season 2 finale involves him somehow being used with the Omega Lock and keys to bring the Star Seekers into the show. Like if Cybertron get revived but in their image, like a supposed beast-ified Cybertron that starts up a sort of "enemies hunting each other" story arc on Cybertron?

Interesting concept

Although, I think Smokescreen's just going to sacrifice himself to revive Cybertron. As how "it doesn't end well for the Autobots."

But then they find a way out of the predicament. Go looking for more Autobots? Dinobots? I don't know.

PrymeStriker wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Even though I truly want Smokescreen to be a genuine Autobot, here's another idea.

Since Beast hunters is supposed to be season 3 or a later story, what if Smokescreen IS a part of a villainous plot, but not one by the Decepticons, rather, one by the Star Seekers?

Suppose the season 2 finale involves him somehow being used with the Omega Lock and keys to bring the Star Seekers into the show. Like if Cybertron get revived but in their image, like a supposed beast-ified Cybertron that starts up a sort of "enemies hunting each other" story arc on Cybertron?

Interesting concept

Although, I think Smokescreen's just going to sacrifice himself to revive Cybertron. As how "it doesn't end well for the Autobots."

But then they find a way out of the predicament. Go looking for more Autobots? Dinobots? I don't know.

I'm convinced Shockwave's involved somewhere along the line, probably in place of the Star Seekers. Given the viewer doesn't see Shock die; only buried in rubble as has happened to any number of characters of the course of the series. Also the comment from one of the interviews recently posted on the site here about character models, expenses, and re-using them. Flashbacks are possible, but not likely.

Also, the Dinobots and Shockwave have some history, yes?

Smokescreen wants to be an hero, right? Him dying makes lots of sense and doesn't cost the show the status quo too heavily.

datguy86 wrote:Smokescreen wants to be an hero, right? Him dying makes lots of sense and doesn't cost the show the status quo too heavily.

Aside from, well, robbing the show of the best thing that's ever happened to the Autobots in it. Smokescreen's addition enhanced the status quo. Take him out and we're back to the same core protagonist team we've always had since the beginning.

Sabrblade wrote:

datguy86 wrote:Smokescreen wants to be an hero, right? Him dying makes lots of sense and doesn't cost the show the status quo too heavily.

Aside from, well, robbing the show of the best thing that's ever happened to the Autobots in it. Smokescreen's addition enhanced the status quo. Take him out and we're back to the same core protagonist team we've always had since the beginning.

There's a point we disagree on - Smokescreen is the last thing the Autobots needed. There's nothing he has done another Autobot couldn't have been used for. In my opinion, he's the sole distraction from a rather decent series of endgame fetchquests. It just feels like the writers shoehorned him in - either to take a command lead (ugh) when someone else dies or die a hero (meh).

Although if Bumblebee bites it, I could certainly deal with that. He hasn't added much to the show since he and Starscream fought over the T-Cog.

datguy86 wrote: Given the viewer doesn't see Shock die; only buried in rubble as has happened to any number of characters of the course of the series.

The last we saw of him he was walking through the space bridge, shot in the eye, and then it combusted on him. He was buried in rubble, but that wasn't the cliffhanger.

datguy86 wrote:Also, the Dinobots and Shockwave have some history, yes?

Yes.

datguy86 wrote: It just feels like the writers shoehorned him in - either to take a command lead (ugh) when someone else dies or die a hero (meh).

Or to add a new character to the fold of Autobots. Are you convinced that they show writers put new characters in for them to die in the long-run? It's a change, and I'm pretty sure you and everyone would've been bored with 65 episodes of the same 5 Autobots + Wheeljack's occasional visit.

PrymeStriker wrote:

datguy86 wrote: Given the viewer doesn't see Shock die; only buried in rubble as has happened to any number of characters of the course of the series.

The last we saw of him he was walking through the space bridge, shot in the eye, and then it combusted on him. He was buried in rubble, but that wasn't the cliffhanger.

Crap. Forgot about that. Thanks for the reminder.

PrymeStriker wrote:

datguy86 wrote:Also, the Dinobots and Shockwave have some history, yes?

Yes.

datguy86 wrote: It just feels like the writers shoehorned him in - either to take a command lead (ugh) when someone else dies or die a hero (meh).

Or to add a new character to the fold of Autobots. Are you convinced that they show writers put new characters in for them to die in the long-run? It's a change, and I'm pretty sure you and everyone would've been bored with 65 episodes of the same 5 Autobots + Wheeljack's occasional visit.

You'd be surprised how often this does happen. Hell, on the Decepticon side Makeshift and Skyquake have already succumbed to it by virtue of being "villain of the week". It's easier to accept the loss of a new character than to kill off an existing character. It's one of the lessons learned from the original animated Transformers movie.

datguy86 wrote:You'd be surprised how often this does happen. Hell, on the Decepticon side Makeshift and Skyquake have already succumbed to it by virtue of being "villain of the week". It's easier to accept the loss of a new character than to kill off an existing character. It's one of the lessons learned from the original animated Transformers movie.

I'm aware it happens quite a bit, but it hasn't happened to this show yet.

The only character killed off after being established into a team is Breakdown. Skyquake, Makeshift, Cliffjumper, Hardshell, and others only stuck around for an episode or two before their deaths. At least Breakdown lasted 23 episodes before his death.

Smokescreen's been hanging around for 5 episodes so far, and nothing's gone wrong. As I said before, it would be a predictable outcome for Smokescreen to sacrifice himself to save Cybertron, him being the fourth Omega Key. However, we can't expect every new character introduced to be killed off within 10 episodes or so. Dreadwing and Knock Out are just proof of the matter.

P.S: The only reason I don't count Airachnid is because she's not technically "dead," but rather in a stasis pod.