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Ok I got one. Im not sure if this was already said, but I dont feel like reading 4 pages of posts.

How did they suddenly step out into a desert after finding Jetfire? They were in Washington, and suddenly walk out the door into Arizona.

Why did The Fallen wait all that time for his "revenge" on Earth? Was he stuck in that chair all that time? Why?

And the most important question of all...

Why was every damn Decepticon aside from Megatron and his 2 b@#tchs killed?

Sidewaysx79 wrote:Ok I got one. Im not sure if this was already said, but I dont feel like reading 4 pages of posts.

How did they suddenly step out into a desert after finding Jetfire? They were in Washington, and suddenly walk out the door into Arizona.

Why did The Fallen wait all that time for his "revenge" on Earth? Was he stuck in that chair all that time? Why?

And the most important question of all...

Why was every damn Decepticon aside from Megatron and his 2 b@#tchs killed?

1. Because in the film's universe that is outside the Smithsonian (sp). Why will no one suspend their disbelief even that little bit?
Dudes, this. Is. Not. A plot hole. It's called filmmaking. I once fell off a pier to fall into a swimming pool. Why? Because it's easier to shoot. Why did Bay do it? Because it suited the film.

2. Because he was waiting for Megatron? No idea on this one, this is more like a plot hole, and actual hole in the plot.

3. Again, not a plot hole, this time it's storytelling.
They're setting up for the final film's Autobot-slaughter. It goes a little something like this:
"Yay, the Deceptions have pretty much equal numbers compared to us... (end of second film) Now we have way more than them!... (third film) Ooops, they bred an army and we're only a single 15 men team. Sh##..."

Sabrblade wrote:

YRQRM0 wrote:If Megs was Primes "Brother", shouldn't he be a Prime? He should've just blasted The Fallen's head off while he was sitting in that chair for 2000 years. Unless Prime was speaking metaphorically.

Optimus is a direct decendent of the seven, Megs is not. While they may be bros, it would seem that the Prime inheritance was only passed to Optimus and not to Megatron.

Why does everyone think Prime meant SIBLING!
Why couldn't he just mean person-close-to-me? As many humans do?
Street talk uses brother or bro, meaning a close friend.
Public speakers often use "Brothers" and "Sisters" to establish a kinship with their listeners, to make them feel closer to their cause.
Lots of religions use "brothers" and "sisters" to mean "fellow child of God/the gods", look at nuns, monks, etc.

Surely the concept of alien robots reproducing in a way that could create siblings is more of a plot hole than Prime using a word that could mean many things?
Which side of the following possibilities makes more sense?

The "twins": two robots who combine into the same alt mode (until they're separated on earth) - or did their robot mother give birth to them at the same time?

Optimus & Megatron's "brother"hood: Two close colleagues (until one becomes evil) and joint protectors of Cybertron - or did their mummy love Prime more than Megatron because he was the oldest?

The original 13/7: Thirteen/Seven Cybertronians created at the same time by the Allspark - or should we call them triscadecatuplets/septuplets?

You decide...

Justicity wrote:Why does everyone think Prime meant SIBLING!

Because Transformer siblings do exist.

Tyrannotaur wrote:
I remember reading a plothole that when Ravage, and the constructicons went down to revive Megs the submarine said there where five contacts, but after coming up there was six. Now that would make sense except Scalpel told them to "KILL ZEH LITTLE ONE!" aka High Tower.. so how could there now be six? Scalpel is a bit too small to show up on radar and probably hitched a ride anyway. So Long Haul+ Ravage + Rampage+ Mixmaster + High Tower + Megatron - High Tower = 6 Decipticons? Wait..
I also read a explanation that they revived Blackout and he flew off to Cybertron/ The Nemesis, so that was the sixth Con. But they never showed that so I dunno how that is true.

Just gonna bring this up again since it got ignored during the whole "Ice" discussion.

Anyone got any ideas? or was this just a mistake?

Im going to have to go with it was a mistake, but people have said they saw Blackout climbing up that ship when the Fallen arrived on Earth so it may be true.

Does anyone know why the Nemesis is randomly crashed on one of Saturns moons? Does it explain it in one of the comics or books, because I really want to know what happened to make it crash. It is crashed on one of saturns moons right? OR am I totally off?

Tyrannotaur wrote:

Tyrannotaur wrote:
I remember reading a plothole that when Ravage, and the constructicons went down to revive Megs the submarine said there where five contacts, but after coming up there was six. Now that would make sense except Scalpel told them to "KILL ZEH LITTLE ONE!" aka High Tower.. so how could there now be six? Scalpel is a bit too small to show up on radar and probably hitched a ride anyway. So Long Haul+ Ravage + Rampage+ Mixmaster + High Tower + Megatron - High Tower = 6 Decipticons? Wait..
I also read a explanation that they revived Blackout and he flew off to Cybertron/ The Nemesis, so that was the sixth Con. But they never showed that so I dunno how that is true.

Just gonna bring this up again since it got ignored during the whole "Ice" discussion.

Anyone got any ideas? or was this just a mistake?

I think they must have brought back some of the other Decepticons that were down there, like Blackout or Bonecrusher.

Evil_the_Nub wrote:

Tyrannotaur wrote:

Tyrannotaur wrote:
I remember reading a plothole that when Ravage, and the constructicons went down to revive Megs the submarine said there where five contacts, but after coming up there was six. Now that would make sense except Scalpel told them to "KILL ZEH LITTLE ONE!" aka High Tower.. so how could there now be six? Scalpel is a bit too small to show up on radar and probably hitched a ride anyway. So Long Haul+ Ravage + Rampage+ Mixmaster + High Tower + Megatron - High Tower = 6 Decipticons? Wait..
I also read a explanation that they revived Blackout and he flew off to Cybertron/ The Nemesis, so that was the sixth Con. But they never showed that so I dunno how that is true.

Just gonna bring this up again since it got ignored during the whole "Ice" discussion.

Anyone got any ideas? or was this just a mistake?

I think they must have brought back some of the other Decepticons that were down there, like Blackout or Bonecrusher.

Blackout lookalike = Grindor

Boncrusher lookalike = Buffalo MPV Decepticon

Sabrblade wrote:

Justicity wrote:Why does everyone think Prime meant SIBLING!

Because Transformer siblings do exist.

In other continuities.
G1 - childish and not particularly in depth, or thinking about what they were doing.
RiD - Again, though being a lot more in depth than G1 it wasn't exactly going for realism.
Unicron trilogy - Cause they were all about realism.
Animated - See above.

Now, talking about realism in a fiction about giant robots is stupid I know, but the live action films at least try to make it more true to possible life than any other continuity yet. The designs are more physically possible, the movement and transformation is a lot more realistic, etc etc etc. We just need to suspend our disbelief enough to accept that giant alien robots exist, and then everything else can be as realistic as hell.
Now with regards to the Live action part of that article: Arcee's components are not siblings, esily explained enough. Prime and Megs could just be a kinship thing, and the Twins could easily be so called because of their shared alt mode or perhaps two of the weird hatchings forming a bond from birth. This wouldn't be genetic brotherhood, but more of a kinship, like I was describing for Prime and Megs.

The point I'm making is when you look at how the hatchings are in the live action, it doesn't make sense for there to be any kind of familial bonds. The bonds described, using words we would use for familial bonds, can much more easily be explained away by saying the human language doesn't have the words they're looking for and so they summarise:
"Skids, you are more than an [earth word "friend"], so I shall call you my [earth word "brother/twin"] as it suits our relationship better"
Not that those two would have that conversation.
Once again, the movie isn't G1, I am ONLY talking about the bonds and kinships seen in the movies.
Leo out.

Sabrblade wrote:

Evil_the_Nub wrote:

Tyrannotaur wrote:

Tyrannotaur wrote:
I remember reading a plothole that when Ravage, and the constructicons went down to revive Megs the submarine said there where five contacts, but after coming up there was six. Now that would make sense except Scalpel told them to "KILL ZEH LITTLE ONE!" aka High Tower.. so how could there now be six? Scalpel is a bit too small to show up on radar and probably hitched a ride anyway. So Long Haul+ Ravage + Rampage+ Mixmaster + High Tower + Megatron - High Tower = 6 Decipticons? Wait..
I also read a explanation that they revived Blackout and he flew off to Cybertron/ The Nemesis, so that was the sixth Con. But they never showed that so I dunno how that is true.

Just gonna bring this up again since it got ignored during the whole "Ice" discussion.

Anyone got any ideas? or was this just a mistake?

I think they must have brought back some of the other Decepticons that were down there, like Blackout or Bonecrusher.

Blackout lookalike = Grindor

Boncrusher lookalike = Buffalo MPV Decepticon

I think it was Blackout. I know he has a slightly different alt mode, but Megatron has a vastly different alt mode and he's the same character. He's never referred to by name in the movie. The only place he's called Grindor is the toy, which was probably done just to get more people to buy it.

Evil_the_Nub wrote:I think it was Blackout. I know he has a slightly different alt mode, but Megatron has a vastly different alt mode and he's the same character. He's never referred to by name in the movie. The only place he's called Grindor is the toy, which was probably done just to get more people to buy it.

He's Grindor in the ROTF video games too. In fact, the games show him to be more bluish than his toy and movie models look. But not nearly as bluish as Blackout looked in the first movie's games.

I'll ask my question again... Why was the Nemesis randomly crashed on one of Saturns moons? It is crashed on one of Saturns moons right? Is that ever explained?

Sidewaysx79 wrote:I'll ask my question again... Why was the Nemesis randomly crashed on one of Saturns moons? It is crashed on one of Saturns moons right? Is that ever explained?

We don't exactly know.

As a matter of fact, it turns out that in the Movieverse, there were two ships named "Nemesis" (the second one being the one seen in the ROTF movie, though, chronologically, this one was built first).

Sabrblade wrote:

Evil_the_Nub wrote:I think it was Blackout. I know he has a slightly different alt mode, but Megatron has a vastly different alt mode and he's the same character. He's never referred to by name in the movie. The only place he's called Grindor is the toy, which was probably done just to get more people to buy it.

He's Grindor in the ROTF video games too. In fact, the games show him to be more bluish than his toy and movie models look. But not nearly as bluish as Blackout looked in the first movie's games.

I guess there's no concrete evidence, the only places he has a name are in the toy line and the game. According to those Brawl killed Jazz, but he's still alive with a different paint job.

Sabrblade wrote:

YRQRM0 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Sonic Wing wrote:NEW PLOT HOLE!!!

i dont know if anyone had said this but here i go:

If only a prime can kill a prime, how come Megatron kills Optimus Prime?

No, it was "only a Prime can defeat The Fallen".

As for how Megs did it, he snuck up from behind and stabbed him in the back.

If Megs was Primes "Brother", shouldn't he be a Prime? He should've just blasted The Fallen's head off while he was sitting in that chair for 2000 years. Unless Prime was speaking metaphorically.

Optimus is a direct decendent of the seven, Megs is not. While they may be bros, it would seem that the Prime inheritance was only passed to Optimus and not to Megatron.

I think that a Prime picks a transformer to take his place, which would mean that Optimus' and Megatron's father saw evil in Megatron or something and picked Optimus to be the next Prime.

That accually makes sense!

Evil_the_Nub wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Evil_the_Nub wrote:I think it was Blackout. I know he has a slightly different alt mode, but Megatron has a vastly different alt mode and he's the same character. He's never referred to by name in the movie. The only place he's called Grindor is the toy, which was probably done just to get more people to buy it.

He's Grindor in the ROTF video games too. In fact, the games show him to be more bluish than his toy and movie models look. But not nearly as bluish as Blackout looked in the first movie's games.

I guess there's no concrete evidence, the only places he has a name are in the toy line and the game. According to those Brawl killed Jazz, but he's still alive with a different paint job.

Well, I wouldn't say that there's really much of any story in the toyline, cuz all its purpose is is to sell the toys, regardless of who's dead or alive in the respecting fiction.

Sideswing wrote:I think that a Prime picks a transformer to take his place, which would mean that Optimus' and Megatron's father saw evil in Megatron or something and picked Optimus to be the next Prime.

That accually makes sense!

Which could explain why Megs killed their dad.

Here is a question, how are the constructicons able to resurface after reviving Megatron? We know Megatron has jet thrusters on his back and ravage can use his tail to propel himself, but what do the other cons use?

Queenambeach wrote:Here is a question, how are the constructicons able to resurface after reviving Megatron? We know Megatron has jet thrusters on his back and ravage can use his tail to propel himself, but what do the other cons use?

Just had an image of the cutest cut scene ever:
Ravage swimming upwards, Scalpel riding on his back, with 5(?) leads coming of Ravage's new collar each dragging a Constructicon XD