The Energon Pub

This thread will contain SPOILERS!

Oh yes, it's that time again, and, since the movie is what WorstPreviews described as "Bigger, louder, stupider, and insanely entertaining", there are bound to be plotholes!

The game is afoot, I will start off with a plothole from ROTF, and try to fill them as best I can:
P: Howcome they don't revive Jazz with the Allspark piece like the Decepticons did with Megatron?
A: Think about it, who used the Allspark's power to their advantage? Bad guys did!
Decepticons = bad = Frenzy using it to get a new body.
Sector 7 = bad = testing it on Nokia cellphones.
Autobots = good = Not reviving Jazz/No new legs for Bumblebee/Not reviving Optimus.


Your turn!

tyler1451 wrote:This thread will contain SPOILERS!

Oh yes, it's that time again, and, since the movie is what WorstPreviews described as "Bigger, louder, stupider, and insanely entertaining", there are bound to be plotholes!

The game is afoot, I will start off with a plothole from ROTF, and try to fill them as best I can:
P: Howcome they don't revive Jazz with the Allspark piece like the Decepticons did with Megatron?
A: Think about it, who used the Allspark's power to their advantage? Bad guys did!
Decepticons = bad = Frenzy using it to get a new body.
Sector 7 = bad = testing it on Nokia cellphones.
Autobots = good = Not reviving Jazz/No new legs for Bumblebee/Not reviving Optimus.


Your turn!

Maybe they don't because it's somehow immoral? Maybe they don't because they need to keep the shards around and the left over fragments are more valuable to them for pseudo-religious reasons?

Exactly! Prime even said that Cybertrons history was on the cube, perhaps they want to respect the shard's power and not abuse it.

Next plothole:
How did Sam, Mikaela, and Sam's roommate survive crashing into a pole, getting her car flipped over, and her car getting cut in half if:
-They weren't wearing seat belts and
-Sam's Roommate was sitting in the middle seat
EDIT: AND ALSO
-Why didn't the airbags deploy?

Its a movie and everyone survives those kind of crashes. Same thing can be said about the helicoptor pilots as well.

Hm, Fair enough

Someone else pose some plotholes!

Next question:
What happened to the Twins and Wheelie?

I saw this answer posted in another thread somewhere:
"[Wheelie] went to where Barricade is." Or something like that.

As for the twins (Jar-Jar and Binks), they maybe might have gotten themselves killed.

Oh wait, didn't they get sucked up by Devastator?

tyler1451 wrote:Oh wait, didn't they get sucked up by Devastator?

Nope. In his redeeming moment, Mudflap shot his way out of Devastator's head.

Autobobby1 wrote:Nope. In his redeeming moment, Mudflap shot his way out of Devastator's head.

...F***.

Well, hopefully they still managed to kill themselves.

What happened to the Allspark pieces?
Did they disintegrate after use?
Is it attached to Jetfires bum?

What of the Matrix?
Was it destroyed?

tyler1451 wrote:EDIT: AND ALSO
-Why didn't the airbags deploy?

They did, in the trailer featuring that sequence and in the print I saw this afternoon.

I've always wondered about this; If the Allspark gave the Cybertronians life but all the Allspark created bots in the first movie were nasties then how come there are good-guy Autobots?

same138 wrote:They did, in the trailer featuring that sequence and in the print I saw this afternoon.

Ah. Yes, you are correct!

same138 wrote:I've always wondered about this; If the Allspark gave the Cybertronians life but all the Allspark created bots in the first movie were nasties then how come there are good-guy Autobots?

Maybe Earth had something to do with it? Also that made me think up another plausible theory regarding the whole "Why does it heal some but not others" plothole: What if The Matrix also creates Autobot life, and the Allspark creates Decepticon life?

EDIT: I love your profile icon, I've been trying to design something like that for a few years, never found anything I liked ...until now!

Honestly the biggest facepalm for me, although I'm one of few from the people I'v talked with on this, is how you go from DC to an airfield in the middle of the midwest / desert.

I'm not talking about the space bridge jump to Egypt I'm talking about how sam and crew were in the Smithsonian Institute in the middle of metropolitan Washington DC, Jetfire wakes, punches through the hanger doors of the museum and the next thing you know were in an a giant airfield with mountains in the distance. Simmons himself even said they were heading to WASHINGTON, as that was the nearest seeker. That just some piss poor plot jumping.

I can dig seeing the same 2 extras walk down a set of stairs twice as sam scrabbles to pick up his papers. Multiple takes edited together will do that and the general public will not notice, But the DC to Arizona like landscape things is just poor poor poor.

why does it matter? it was a freakin bad ass movie.people waited 2 years for it and then start bitching about it. give me a break.

Air Rage, I see by your join date that you're not REALLY that new around here, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

We're fans. We're always looking for things to baawwww at.

as fans we should be saying hell yeah, prime owned megatron and the fallen.thats what i'm talkin abouy.

War_On_Errorism wrote:Honestly the biggest facepalm for me, although I'm one of few from the people I'v talked with on this, is how you go from DC to an airfield in the middle of the midwest / desert.

I'm not talking about the space bridge jump to Egypt I'm talking about how sam and crew were in the Smithsonian Institute in the middle of metropolitan Washington DC, Jetfire wakes, punches through the hanger doors of the museum and the next thing you know were in an a giant airfield with mountains in the distance. Simmons himself even said they were heading to WASHINGTON, as that was the nearest seeker. That just some piss poor plot jumping.

I can dig seeing the same 2 extras walk down a set of stairs twice as sam scrabbles to pick up his papers. Multiple takes edited together will do that and the general public will not notice, But the DC to Arizona like landscape things is just poor poor poor.

I just chalked that up to movie landscaping...that's like every movie where Las Vegas is featured and they show someone going down the Strip and what they show on screen isn't even remotely where it should be.

Why Autobots dont revive Jazz using the allspark shard?
Maybe Autobots like human,as we are not allow to clone another human, right?

This thing is so full of plot holes.

How is Glenn Morshower still alive? The last movie mad a big deal of Lennox team being the only survivors of Blackout's attack yet Secret Service Dude from 24 is alive and promoted in this movie?

How did they manage to fly the whole compliment of NESTS and Autobots around the entire world to Egypt so quickly and without Galloway noticing? That should have been a very long flight.

How did Mikaela book a plane and fly 3000 miles in the time it took Sam to walk to his dorm and paint Cybertronian symbols on his walls? Heck how did she get through airport security with a highly suspicious metal container with a sentient robot in it?

Did Bumblebee drive across the country in like a day to be at Sam's college by the party on his first night there?

How could Leo be so entrenched with his tech setup at the dorms if he was only in college for "2 days?"

I always assumed that the Autobots didn't "revive" Jazz with the cube because it obviously does not create or revive Autobots. All the machines that were brought to life by the cube/shard were all evil.

Here is what I consider the biggest plot hole. The Fallen first arrived on earth 17,000 BC. He wants to use Earths sun to harvest energon, but the Primes stop him, hide the matrix. The Fallen obviously needs the cube to find the matrix, the Cube lands on Earth. So being that Megatron is the Fallen's disciple I am to assume that Megatron was sent to earth to find the cube so that the Fallen could find the Matrix. Well some things don't add up. Megatron was found by Sam's grandpa in 1897. The oldest form taken by the seekers was a Ford Model T so I assume they arrived around 1908. I take it that they were on Earth to look for the key? Either way, Megatron never returns and the humans build Hoover damn around the cube. My whole point of this is, Why did the Fallen wait from 1897 till 2007 to send the Decepticons to go get Megatron. In the first movie I believed it took them so long because they had to find him, but the Fallen would have known what planet Megatron was on. So the Fallen chills on Mars,or Saturn or whatever, waits over 100 years, and waits for the ONE BEING IN THE UNIVERSE THAT CAN STOP HIM ( Optimus Prime ) TO ARRIVE ON EARTH ,Only then does he kick his plan in motion. Not to mention the fact that he gave the humans 100 years to advance science and technology enough to adequately fight an alien invasion. Why didn't he just go to Earth with the decepticons when megatron first came up missing, he could have enslaved the planet, and had 100 years to search for the cube and the matrix before the Autobots even knew where they were. Someone please explain this to me.

AutoShermatic wrote:Here is what I consider the biggest plot hole. The Fallen first arrived on earth 17,000 BC. He wants to use Earths sun to harvest energon, but the Primes stop him, hide the matrix. The Fallen obviously needs the cube to find the matrix, the Cube lands on Earth. So being that Megatron is the Fallen's disciple I am to assume that Megatron was sent to earth to find the cube so that the Fallen could find the Matrix. Well some things don't add up. Megatron was found by Sam's grandpa in 1897. The oldest form taken by the seekers was a Ford Model T so I assume they arrived around 1908. I take it that they were on Earth to look for the key? Either way, Megatron never returns and the humans build Hoover damn around the cube. My whole point of this is, Why did the Fallen wait from 1897 till 2007 to send the Decepticons to go get Megatron. In the first movie I believed it took them so long because they had to find him, but the Fallen would have known what planet Megatron was on. So the Fallen chills on Mars,or Saturn or whatever, waits over 100 years, and waits for the ONE BEING IN THE UNIVERSE THAT CAN STOP HIM ( Optimus Prime ) TO ARRIVE ON EARTH ,Only then does he kick his plan in motion. Not to mention the fact that he gave the humans 100 years to advance science and technology enough to adequately fight an alien invasion. Why didn't he just go to Earth with the decepticons when megatron first came up missing, he could have enslaved the planet, and had 100 years to search for the cube and the matrix before the Autobots even knew where they were. Someone please explain this to me.

I'm sure there's an answer to this in the comics. But I haven't read them, so I'm not sure.

hmmmmm, saw it twice and found these;

WHERE is the Matrix?

Why are there 7 Primes instead of 13?

Why did Jolt have such an important role for such a short period of time?

Why can't Bumblebee talk yet?

Why are Megan Fox's boobs the same color of her shirt?

Why doesn't Prime look like a Prime? (Like the Fallen and the rest)

Why was Bonecrusher in the desert?

Why were there duplicate Constructicons?

How did Demolisher make his way to Egypt from Shanghai and fix himself on the way unnoticed?

I got no answers. But this one bothered me:

In the first movie, remember how Optimus is carrying Sam and Mikaela and running and the bad Sector 7 guys can't track him because he doesn't have a heat signature?

Okay, how come they find Demolisher by his heat signature?


And:
SELF HEALING ROBOTS?! While I love Starscream getting beaten by his own arm, he reattaches it and *pwok* it's working again.

Stupid continuity errors: Sam at the frat party--his drink is full then empty then full again, without him ever taking a sip. In the desert, Mikaela's tight white pants (so I know all y'all guys will want to watch this one) get dirty, then cleaner, then dirty again. Yeah, these are teeny and inconsequential. But easy enough to get right.

HK, Great. ANOTHER thunderstorm.

FanBoiTonio wrote:WHERE is the Matrix?

We can assume it was destroyed when Prime blasted the Solar Harvester.