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Megatron_Wolf wrote:We fans have been demanding quality. The movie assholes just didnt listen. Remember when they saide that Megatrons head would be changed because the fans were bitching? Well did it happen? No. They dont care about the fans. As long as the movie will make them money they dont give a rats ass about what the die hard fans think. If Bay wasnt directing it might have bee a diffrent story but since they got that idiot to direct he only wants to see what he wants on screen.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Megatron_Wolf wrote:Zuko wrote:Phategod1 wrote:can I ask a question? How can someone be a fan of something for 20 years, and not be care about how its treated on celluloid. How can you invest hundreds of dollars on toys, Spend hundreds of hour on websites dedicated to it, but when it comes to the movie you don't demand quality? What if you spent $200.00 for MP prime and it fell apart the minute you took it out of the box? Why is Spiderman treated like the Holy Grail? It has nothing to do with how popular one series is over another It has to do with Director and Writer Competency. The thing is a lot of the "Fans" don't demand quality. But at least they (fans with low standards)can "enjoy the movie"
Because we haven't had quality in a Transformers show since Beast Wars.
We fans have been demanding quality. The movie assholes just didnt listen. Remember when they saide that Megatrons head would be changed because the fans were bitching? Well did it happen? No. They dont care about the fans. As long as the movie will make them money they dont give a rats ass about what the die hard fans think. If Bay wasnt directing it might have bee a diffrent story but since they got that idiot to direct he only wants to see what he wants on screen. Prime example: Pearl Harbor. That movie sucked but made money.
Megatron_Wolf wrote:The movie assholes just didnt listen.
Leonardo wrote:Take your lips off my pipe!
Milanion wrote:Godzilla98 was still the most successful Godzilla movie ever - even if you and Toho didn't like it.
AbsumZer0 wrote:Milanion wrote:Godzilla98 was still the most successful Godzilla movie ever - even if you and Toho didn't like it.
Tristar - who made a ton internationally but didn't break even domestically when you factor in the 22 million spent on domestic marketing- were unhappy enough with it to cancel planned sequels and give Toho the go-ahead to restart their franchise a year later (which, per their contract with Tristar, was supposed to be on hold for as long as the American series continued).
The professional critics- http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/godzilla/ - didn't like it either.
The theater companies- who couldn't fill seats and were only allowed to keep something like 15% of the per-ticket-sales the first few weeks- weren't all too happy with it.
Trendmasters and other licensors- who lost money after the tepid response to the film failed to move their product- weren't too happy with it.
The retail companies like Toys R Us, KB Toys, Wal-Mart, etc. and their shareholders- who lost money because they had to clearance the Godzilla merchandise to get it to move- didn't think too fondly of it.
Taco Bell- who signed-on as a licensor after Burger King passed only to find nobody wanted their Godzilla tie-in merchandise and it wasn't doing anything for business- was pretty disappointed with it.
At their most successful the traditional Godzilla films have grossed over 3 to 4 times over their meager budgets, and even after the financial flop of Godzilla: Final Wars they continue to rake in royalties from the thriving collectibles industry.
In what way does any of that amount to "Godzilla98 was still the most successful Godzilla movie ever"?
Milanion wrote:
Because, as even you said, "worldwide" it earned about 25 times more than any other movie in the franchise.
Taco Bell, Trendmasters, whatever - that's not the movie. The movie is the movie. It was successful as a movie. It was the most successful of the Godzilla movies.
Milanion wrote:
Because, as even you said, "worldwide" it earned about 25 times more than any other movie in the franchise.
Taco Bell, Trendmasters, whatever - that's not the movie. The movie is the movie. It was successful as a movie. It was the most successful of the Godzilla movies.
AbsumZer0 wrote:Toho's most successful films typically cost around 10 million and earn 18-20 million, nearly twice what they spent on it and their low production costs mean lower investment risks.
AbsumZer0 wrote:The risk the investors took eventually paid off
AbsumZer0 wrote:It was a critical and financial flop and everyone but Tristar got hosed by it.
Milanion wrote:
You are trying to make a point by attempting to make irrelavant factors overshadow relevant factors.
Leonardo wrote:Take your lips off my pipe!
Milanion wrote:So 10 million profit is better than 150 million?
Milanion wrote:So again, you point out that the movie was successful. What happened as far a future investment in a sequel is irrelavant.
Milanion wrote:So the movie was a success for the company that made it, but that should be overshadowed by the bad profit margins experienced by third party merchandise licensors that had nothing to do with the actual movie itself?
You are trying to make a point by attempting to make irrelavant factors overshadow relevant factors
Ironhidensh wrote:Milanion wrote:
You are trying to make a point by attempting to make irrelavant factors overshadow relevant factors.
Of course. He's one of the ones running around trying to tell people that they arn't real Transformer fans if they like the new movie.
AbsumZer0 wrote:To an individual, no, but to a company, yes, because you're doubling your investment without the huge risk.
AbsumZer0 wrote:When you're producing major big-budget summer blockbuster and everyone whose put trust in your property gets screwed while you make a profit primarily because you demand an exceedingly large percentage of the box-office take in the first two weeks (after which nobody is going to see it anyway because of poor word-of-mouth) you've screwed-up.
AbsumZer0 wrote:They made their money but they screwed themselves and they're back to small-budget independent films because of Godzilla.
AbsumZer0 wrote:The movie was a financial success for the company that made it.
AbsumZer0 wrote:If you can't grasp the relevance of critical failure and the financial losses of the 2nd-party companies then you're probably the sort who still doesn't understand why a sequel was never made and thinks a Planet of the Apes sequel is going to be announced any day now.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Milanion wrote:
I'm the sort that knows when someone blindly wants something to be considered a "failure" for personal reasons, even when confronted with the basic facts. Since you refuse to accept facts which are relavant, I think I'm done with this one.
Shadowman wrote:American Godzilla made $379,014,294 worldwide, with a budget of $125 million.
Milanion wrote:None of those articles list or address any financial information other than the budget. Flop is used to describe the reviews, not the financials.
Try again.
Milanion wrote:Shadowman wrote:American Godzilla made $379,014,294 worldwide, with a budget of $125 million.
It's all right there. That's a $254,000,000 profit. Prove "that" as a financial failure.
Spoon wrote:These robots look NOTHING LIKE ANIME MECHA'SQuietStorm wrote:I'm sorry, but these designs are terrible. If I wanted to watch Gundam, Evangelion, and other Anime series styled robots, I'd watch those shows/movies.
ffs people, if you have no clue what you are talking about then don't talk!
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
AbsumZer0 wrote:COMMERCIAL FAILURE. AS A WHOLE. AS IN IN REGARDS TO THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY.
Milanion wrote:AbsumZer0 wrote:COMMERCIAL FAILURE. AS A WHOLE. AS IN IN REGARDS TO THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY.
I hate to break it to you, but you still have no "proof" - just circumstantial evidence as before.
Get a calculator. Subtract $125 million from $379 million. The number you get is called net profit.
Guess what, a movie doesn't fail financially when it makes a $254 million dollar profit on it's investment of $125m.
Also, I guess I'll be the one to break it to you, a $254m profit is better than a $10m profit.
The fact that you can't seem to grasp either basic concept is amazing.
If a movie doesn't make more than it's budget, it's a financial flop.
Look up, that is not the case here - it's the complete opposite.
Time to move on.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
AbsumZer0 wrote:If you regard every fact other than what the studio made as 'irrelevant', as you have. Meanwhile every industry analyst (people who, unlike you, actually make a living in the industry) have in hindsight taken all the factors you've deemed 'irrelevant' into account, like the fact that Tristar demanded a then-unheard of 80% of ticket sales for the first few weeks in the U.S. and other nations while ticket sales dropped 60% by the 2nd weekend, and almost universally declared the film a 'flop' or 'failure'. You can believe what you like but I personally feel they're more likely to know what it is they're talking about than some guy on a fan forum.
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