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Tue Jan 13, 2009 2:19 pm

I have very low level 1 bots... should I just knock them back to lvl 0 to maximize the point gains? Im getting hammered in missions against lvl 3's and only netting between 10-100 points on average. And yes, I have been trying to follow the guides on ramming, strafing, etc.
its just simple math. 2-3 lvl 1's vs 2 lvl 3's will always end badly...

Tue Jan 13, 2009 7:06 pm

quetzalcoatl wrote:I have very low level 1 bots... should I just knock them back to lvl 0 to maximize the point gains? Im getting hammered in missions against lvl 3's and only netting between 10-100 points on average. And yes, I have been trying to follow the guides on ramming, strafing, etc.
its just simple math. 2-3 lvl 1's vs 2 lvl 3's will always end badly...

Yes you should knock them back to level 0 until you have saved up 3-4 upgrades. The only setup you should have for all of your characters at this moment is spd and aviod. So change them to Jets or of that sort and you will see a xp gain. You should only focus on speed/Aviod then you should add courage later. Once you hit level 2, you then can change your alt-mode to a guy that has ram. Do not touch strafe until level 3. This is what I have been doing and I have been very happy. But this is one guys opinion. Need cash to change them just let me know

News Credits: 8 · Tue Jan 13, 2009 7:48 pm

agreed with KYAC, ditto with the cash comment

Tue Jan 13, 2009 7:51 pm

thank you for the input! I'll do just that (revert to 0) and do the avoid option. should I get only 1 point of avoid and put the rest into speed?

News Credits: 8 · Tue Jan 13, 2009 7:59 pm

tbh i like to keep speed and avoid equal, i don't partically know if it helps

read these threads, our best minds decided to have a go with the HMW calculations, esp the repair one

viewtopic.php?f=54&t=48653

viewtopic.php?f=54&t=47553

Tue Jan 13, 2009 8:19 pm

Pick the fighter and work towards the 4spd 2crg 4avd setup. Dont even think about repair until mid level 2.

Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:56 am

whatever is said, yes.

Heck, for L0, you could just have a guy with 1 SPD 3CRG and keep pushing them in the arena, or 1 STR, 1 SPD, 2 RAM... both very valid L0 arena set-ups and in general, they generate a lot more XP on a L0 than in missions.

Wed Jan 14, 2009 4:18 pm

http://www.seibertron.com/heavymetalwar ... n_id=13727

its missions like this that make me wonder "whats the point?"

Wed Jan 14, 2009 4:34 pm

quetzalcoatl wrote:http://www.seibertron.com/heavymetalwar/view_mission.php?mission_id=13727

its missions like this that make me wonder "whats the point?"

know that soon, it will be over..
Why don't you stick to the Arena then?

Wed Jan 14, 2009 5:19 pm

arena has 1/2 hr wait times plus when Im on... but you are right, arena is always an option

Thu Jan 15, 2009 11:48 am

My wife's in the same boat with you (her bots are lower level than mine cause I can play from work while she can't)

She reverted half her bots back to 0 to keep her energon flow in the positive and has her strongest bots a few upgrades into level 1.

She tries to join missions when they're a viable option. Often though she's putting her bots in arena because it yields better results than throwing her bots into a suicide mission (4-6 level 2+ decepticons vs 0 autobots or a couple of weak ones) Unfortunately for the most part xp gains from the arena are slower than what you'd gain in a mission.

Personally I think its better for our low levels to be doing that than throwing 4-6 level 0/1s into a mission and feeding more exp to the high level cons.

Things will improve if we get some level 0/1 missions or even 3/4 missions to take more of the higher level 'cons out of picking on the lower level bots.

Thu Jan 15, 2009 1:07 pm

quetzalcoatl wrote:http://www.seibertron.com/heavymetalwar/view_mission.php?mission_id=13727

its missions like this that make me wonder "whats the point?"

I noticed that your characters have 4 str or 4 spd. Do any of them have Aviod or Ram?

Thu Jan 15, 2009 2:44 pm

Kickyourassacons wrote:
quetzalcoatl wrote:http://www.seibertron.com/heavymetalwar/view_mission.php?mission_id=13727

its missions like this that make me wonder "whats the point?"

I noticed that your characters have 4 str or 4 spd. Do any of them have Aviod or Ram?

yes, I rebuilt them, and all bots with 4 speed/str have 1-2 avoid/ram. Im trying to also add on courage to help, but thats to come later

Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:45 pm

I have always tried to keep mt spd and aviod even and main focus that those levels. Remember that aviod is your best friend at that level. Try to build towards this character. Just keep upgrading the cheapest option. He has 4 aviod.

http://www.seibertron.com/heavymetalwar ... r_id=83258

He gets 300-400xp on a regular basis and high xp a couple times a day.

News Credits: 42 · Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:56 pm

Excuse the intrusion guys, just to let you know that the misson situation is the hot topic amongst the staff at the monent.

Ive tabled an idea to split the misions down for all 4 factions to much more manageable mission brackets, similar to how it used to be in the old game, we're just waiting for OS's schedule to clear up a bit so he can put the changes into place.

We'll be putting a notice up in GD for you all when its up and running.

Cheers.

Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:07 pm

cool, thanks for the notice.

Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:06 pm

thanks much psychout... the old missions worked wonders.

News Credits: 2 · Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:18 pm

And it's going to completely change how we play this game.... dun dun dun!

News Credits: 42 · Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:30 pm

Hopefully not, but it will give the L0-1 guys a much easier time.

(It feels so wrong posting in here. lol.)

Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:43 pm

Psychout wrote:Hopefully not, but it will give the L0-1 guys a much easier time.

(It feels so wrong posting in here. lol.)

I was wondering when you would say that.. doesn't the team need ONE extra Bot Admin? CF is hardly online anyway.

News Credits: 42 · Thu Jan 15, 2009 8:44 pm

CF has taken leave to study for his finals, he'll be back soon enough and although you cant see it, he does still represent you guys when its needed, he's just the quiet calculating type whereas the 'cons selected are the more 'gobby' ones.
Believe me, you'd be proud of the work he's put in.

This game needs all 4 factions to feel a part of it to work, and when it comes to the game as a whole, all 4 factions will always be represented equally by all of us.

News Credits: 2 · Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:01 pm

How very not-un-crazzamatic of you.

Now if we could only get a Maximal in this thread our collection would be complete...

As to game changing - yes, yes it will. To date stat-maxing has not been an effective strategy (reseting to spend more XP to max Spd, Crg, etc.). With missions that stop at Level 1 or 2, some may be tempted to keep reseting/saving/bullying rather than growing.

Those that do get the badge of shame-you-have-no-nuts though, so it's all good.

News Credits: 5 · Sat Jan 17, 2009 8:01 pm

I'm getting tired of having EVERY SINGLE ONE of my bots carried out of a mission in stasis lock, because the new mission setup is over-saturating the field with Autobot-Decepticon matchups. All I see is a list of 9 or 10 missions that are usually stacked 1-6 against our side. I'm loathe to give the Cons the free experience as their level 2s and 3s rip my level 1s some new tailpipes... but what other options do I have?

My energon flow, which had been steadily increasing, is barely maintaining, now. If nothing changes, I'll have to reformat all my bots (including my low level 2s) into heavy level-1 rammers, and stick to the arenas, where at least I can be assured I'll have a fair, one-on-one fight...

Does anyone know if there's anything in place or coming soon, that'll help alleviate this overwhelming Decepticon presence? Or have any suggestions on how to weather this storm? Or if there's really no hope and that I should just stop trying?

Sun Jan 18, 2009 1:36 pm

I love going from doing decent in the missions to completely sucking. It's fantastic!

On a brighter note, I'm going to keep at it until this works cause even though I'm getting my ass handed to me, my bots are still making decent exp even if my energon is plummeting like local business sales.

Wed Jan 21, 2009 12:40 pm

the energon is being sucked out of most of us right now I think

I've lost 20,000 energon in the past week and will be broke in 3 more weeks at the current rate.

Half of my bots are 1-2 upgrades into level 2 right now with the rest being 9-13 upgrades in level 1.

If energon keeps going down like it is I'll have to stop my level 1s when the get to max upgrades in level 1 and throw them into arenas over and over to replenish energon which is no good for anyone.

Less xp for my bots.
Less bots helping in missions.
Less bots to fight for the cons.

Like I said hopefully things will improve but things arn't looking good based on last weeks results.

My last six missions:
Shoota Strafer - LOSS - 0xp / 0 energon
Blip Avoider - WIN - 394xp / 291 energon
Strypes Strafer - LOSS - 140xp / 105 energon
Slip Avoider - LOSS - 22xp / 22 energon
Flip Avoider - LOSS - 214xp / 145 energon
Bloodroar Rammer - LOSS - 140xp / 88 energon

They were all 6 vs 6 and in a few of them the total levels for the team were relatively close, but in everyone the cons had at least 1 more level as a team and in a few it wasn't even close.