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For godsakes I can't believe you are arguing this...

Counterpunch wrote:

bookofjunon wrote:Second, I did listenm to the other viewpoint, it makes no sense. Reproductions and KO's do not diminish the values of the originals in anyway. We are talking about toys here, considering MOST of them are worthless once they've been opened the point is moot.

Worthless? You see, this kind of statement leads me to kind of discredit anything else you might have to say about value and the secondary market. Stating that loose Transformers are worthless is a statement which belies a large degree of ignorance concerning vintage Transformers. The vintage TF market is almost exclusively loose figures. Boxed toys have a premium which is at times staggering.

To a good chunk of collectors, yes WORTHLESS. Why are you even arguing that point with me? You don't agree with it fine, stop making an issue out of it.

Counterpunch wrote:

Third, I don't care if the hardcore fans agree or not, I consider myself a very hardcore fan and I don't care. If it allows someone to get a figure they want, complete with a box who cares. Obviously Hasbro doesn't so why the hell should any of you? That to me is retarded.

Did you read the part where I said that these things were acceptable alternatives, if and only if they provide different trade and date stamping?

I don’t think you did.

Also, that word ‘retarded’…you keep using it, but I do not think it means what you think it means.

Retarded - Slow, stupid. Seems like a good fit to me. As for the date stamping, WHO CARES! Honestly, it doesn't affect how you collect, or how I collect or how anyone collects. You're making an issue of a non issue and looki pretty silly doing it.

Counterpunch wrote:[Also, the “I don’t care what the majority of those interested in the subject thinks, but I demand they agree with my viewpoint! nownownow!” view, well, it’s…it’s retarded.

Never said that, again, if you are going to debate, quote what I said, don't make **** up.

Counterpunch wrote:

Fourth, the fact I called the viewpoint retarded has nothing to do with whether or not I understand it.

WRONG.

It has everything to do with whether you understand it.

UHHHHH WRONG!!!!!!! You're either trying to provoke me into a fight or you actually don't know what you are talking about, I'm beginning to think it's a bit of both...

Calling an opinion stupid has no bearing on whether or not someone understands said point. You obviously have a great deal to learn about opposing viewpoints. NOTHING!

Counterpunch wrote:

I think it's a stupid view, that is MY opinion, no one asked you to agree with it.

No one said I couldn’t shove that viewpoint in the fire and see if it holds up either.

LOL, are freaking serious???? My view holds up as well as yours or anyone elses does. Do you live my life? Do you see the world through my eyes? No. So guess what, until you do STFU.

Counterpunch wrote:

Fifth, When Hasbro or Takara decides to care about these, maybe I will too, until then to those who want them, fill yer boots. I'll take the Metroplex until I can find a G1 original for 100 bucks still sealed in its box with no stickers applied.

I got mine for $65. Best of luck.

Pics plz, I'm not inclined to believe you, I don't think your telling the truth. So lets see this so called 65 dollar shipped Metroplex with no stickers, MISB.

Burn wrote:Why the big deal over MISB?

You're eventually going to crack that baby open, so why not go MIB? At least then you can see what the quality of the figure is like inside.

And it's not like Metroplex can be viewed inside the box anyway, so if you want a box to display go find a box and forget the figure.

Not everyone is, if I spent the money for a MISB Metroplex, that's how mine is staying, MISB.

bookofjunon,

You've called me a liar. I think I'm credible enough on here that I don't have to prove anything to you.

While it's been fun, I'm content to let the arguments, as they are, stand on their own for anyone else to make a judgment on.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Its possible.I myself found a mint in sealed box Skylinx and Metroplex at a small toystore in Brooklyn about 6 years ago.Bought them both at about $45 bucks each.I thought it was the luckest day for TF collecting in my life.My most unluckest day in a horror story.

We're not in 2001 anymore. You and CP are trying to make it sound common and easy, which is certainly not the case. Why do people always feel the need to use extremes to try to make a point? Because I got my G1 Megatron for free from a friend doesn't mean everybody will have the same luck.

Counterpunch wrote:I think I'm credible enough on here that I don't have to prove anything to you.

And when did you get that credibility? Honestly, watching how confrontational, arrogant and sarcastic in just about each and every thread you post in, you're anything BUT credible. But that's just my opinion. Don't you feel like just getting along with other users sometimes? You're exhausting.

bookofjunon wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:

Fifth, When Hasbro or Takara decides to care about these, maybe I will too, until then to those who want them, fill yer boots. I'll take the Metroplex until I can find a G1 original for 100 bucks still sealed in its box with no stickers applied.

I got mine for $65. Best of luck.

Pics plz, I'm not inclined to believe you, I don't think your telling the truth. So lets see this so called 65 dollar shipped Metroplex with no stickers, MISB.

While it may seem unlikely, it's certainly not impossible to get a deal like this. We all get real lucky like that once in a while. Besides, I could get any picture of anything and claim it was obtained at any price.
I don't mean to be intruding in your arguement here, but it is possible that a $65 Metroplex could be obtained. It's never happened to me, but that doesn't mean it can never happen.

bookofjunon wrote:As per Spencer at http://www.agesthreeandup.com, also frontpaged at TFW2005.com, news team here is a bit slow aren't they????

So I just got some good/bad news this evening, depending on how much of a supporter you are.

As many know, competition in China is fierce for KO companies and to compete against eachother is commonplace. I have receintly been contacted by a different company than the first who is also doing KOs of G1 figures. Their first release - METROPLEX! I am told this is done is high quality and will come in a G1 style of box with styrofoam insert, instructions, catalogue and sticker sheets. I don't know what they will have for copyrites, this will be found out when they come in stock. The retail on this figure will be $124.99 US which I find is much more reasonable than $80 for a Dinobot considering the size and complexity of the figure. (a good portion of the cost is in the shipping as well)

We are going to be bringing in a limmited number of these to try out and can be preordered from our site at $109.99, saving $15 on this trial run. These will be shipping to us early to mid December so we hope to have these all out for the Holidays.

That is too over price even for a Metroplex bootleg. Originally Metroplex went for 32.99. In comparison to Skylynx who went for $39.99. The upcoming tomy reissue of Skylynx is going for $89.99 ,and it's not a ko. Skylynx is a much better deal to me.

KO feel like they are naughty, that I'm not suppose to dwindle with them,
but they are irresistable in a badboy sort of way...

you know they are trouble.. but if you keep your expectations low...
they are quite charming and fullfilling..

Dagon wrote:

bookofjunon wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:

Fifth, When Hasbro or Takara decides to care about these, maybe I will too, until then to those who want them, fill yer boots. I'll take the Metroplex until I can find a G1 original for 100 bucks still sealed in its box with no stickers applied.

I got mine for $65. Best of luck.

Pics plz, I'm not inclined to believe you, I don't think your telling the truth. So lets see this so called 65 dollar shipped Metroplex with no stickers, MISB.

While it may seem unlikely, it's certainly not impossible to get a deal like this. We all get real lucky like that once in a while. Besides, I could get any picture of anything and claim it was obtained at any price.
I don't mean to be intruding in your arguement here, but it is possible that a $65 Metroplex could be obtained. It's never happened to me, but that doesn't mean it can never happen.

I agree, he was just being an ass and I thought I'd point it out.

Dr. Z wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Its possible.I myself found a mint in sealed box Skylinx and Metroplex at a small toystore in Brooklyn about 6 years ago.Bought them both at about $45 bucks each.I thought it was the luckest day for TF collecting in my life.My most unluckest day in a horror story.

We're not in 2001 anymore. You and CP are trying to make it sound common and easy, which is certainly not the case. Why do people always feel the need to use extremes to try to make a point? Because I got my G1 Megatron for free from a friend doesn't mean everybody will have the same luck.

Why are you assuming that I'm trying to make a point.All I said was that its possible...nothing more was implyed.

Counterpunch wrote:bookofjunon,

You've called me a liar. I think I'm credible enough on here that I don't have to prove anything to you.

While it's been fun, I'm content to let the arguments, as they are, stand on their own for anyone else to make a judgment on.

Liar eh? Nope, never said that. Credibility, LOL, no you don't.

But I digress I'm done debating with you as well.