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Although I did kind of like the idea of training a new prime, I always thought that their would be more training Rodimus was a pretty good character but a crappy leader.

Optimus Prime definitely.

Eradicator wrote:Rodimus is NOT the reason Prime died. If he did not interfere, Mega would have just lifted up his purple hun he found and blasted the sh!t out of Prime anyway. What? If Rdoimus didnt interfere, Megs would have just sat there while Prime jilled him?

Well, Prime could have shot back without fear of hitting the fidgeting little pink idiot. I reckon Prime's normal gun would beat Megatron's improvised tiny purple pistol. Besides, Prime was on his feet, Megatron not. Optimus would have had the upper hand to move in/run for cover/whatever, but was distracted by Hot Rod, and wanted to keep at least one of his troops from harm.

craggy wrote:

Eradicator wrote:Rodimus is NOT the reason Prime died. If he did not interfere, Mega would have just lifted up his purple hun he found and blasted the sh!t out of Prime anyway. What? If Rdoimus didnt interfere, Megs would have just sat there while Prime jilled him?

Well, Prime could have shot back without fear of hitting the fidgeting little pink idiot. I reckon Prime's normal gun would beat Megatron's improvised tiny purple pistol. Besides, Prime was on his feet, Megatron not. Optimus would have had the upper hand to move in/run for cover/whatever, but was distracted by Hot Rod, and wanted to keep at least one of his troops from harm.

20 points to Craggy!

Word.

That was one of the things, even as a child, that annoyed me about Hot Rod: he didn't learn responsibility. His recklessness got Prime killed, and there was nothing in the film to show he became more mature as it progressed. So what's the moral? Don't worry how many people you get killed, a shiny orb will make everything alright?

Sledge wrote:His recklessness got Prime killed, and there was nothing in the film to show he became more mature as it progressed.

I think there was. Hot Rod became the leader of the Autobots before he got the Matrix. Magnus was ready to give up on Junkion and it was Hot Rod that rallyed everyone for the assault on Unicron.

I say "rally" loosely because its just one or two lines, but its something. There's honestly not much character development for anyone in that movie.

Anyway, to answer the question: I prefer Optimus Prime to Rodimus Prime, but I prefer Hot Rod to Optimus.

Prime vs Wild wrote:

Sledge wrote:His recklessness got Prime killed, and there was nothing in the film to show he became more mature as it progressed.

I think there was. Hot Rod became the leader of the Autobots before he got the Matrix. Magnus was ready to give up on Junkion and it was Hot Rod that rallyed everyone for the assault on Unicron.

I say "rally" loosely because its just one or two lines, but its something. There's honestly not much character development for anyone in that movie.

Anyway, to answer the question: I prefer Optimus Prime to Rodimus Prime, but I prefer Hot Rod to Optimus.

There's not much character development in G1 at all. There are a select few and then there are the others that spend most of their life time cramed in the backround.

Tracks for example had one good episode that I actully remember him in and I belive it's when Megatron was stealing cars to be made into the Stuticons. The rest of the series Tracks is still seen but he's allmost allways a backround character with 1 or 2 lines.

I actully like Tracks too and think it's an awful shame can't see more of him. Need to make Tracks into a newer series but he has to still be a flying fire bird. I don't know why I've just allways loved that car.

Generally, there didn't need to be that much character development. The characters generally existed in a status quo. But in the Movie, an irresponsible punk gets his leader killed, but it's ok because he's going to be the new leader. You really need to see some character development to make that work, and there wasn't any.

Compare that with what TF:TM was fairly obviously based off, Star Wars. At the beginning, Luke is a young kid with dreams of adventure. He's got no focus, always dreaming instead of dealing with what he should be doing. By the end of the story, he's matured into a calm, focused individual. He accepts his role out of a desire to do the right thing, not because he wants the glory. Then you come back to Hot Rod, who remains reckless and impulsive until the end, and in Season 3 wants nothing more than to give up being leader. How can anyone respect or like this character?

He. Has. Fire. Tats.

Op always gets my vote.

Don't get me wrong, I like Rodimus...he's young, inexperienced and deliciously flawed, and I was glad to see those qualities (if you would call them that) not tossed out the window the moment he got his hands on the matrix.

That said, I really did like him better as Hot Rod. He didn't need the angst factor.

Rodimus Prime is my alltime fave Autobot followed closely by Prowl.
Just needs a better toy.

Saber Prime wrote:

Sarri wrote:Question is: Would Prime really have shot Megatron? or would have Megatron been able to reach his gun and shoot Prime?

I think he would have died with or without Hot Rod.

Ding ding ding! We have the correct answer. Hot Rod saw the gun Megatron was reaching for, that's when he jumped in. Kup was standing right near Hot Rod so either he saw the gun too and just didn't care or he's a blind old man.

Optimus had him cold. If Megatron had went for the gun, with no Hot Rod in the way, he's vaped.
However, Hot Rod did not cause Prime's death. Megatron, and the lack of any qualified medical bots, did. I mean, Perceptor? Come on.

I like Rodimus Prime, but I like optimus Prime a whole lot more.

And I hate all this "emo" Rodimus rubbish. He doesn't know much about leading. Cut the guy some slack.

MagnusPrimal wrote:

Saber Prime wrote:

Sarri wrote:Question is: Would Prime really have shot Megatron? or would have Megatron been able to reach his gun and shoot Prime?

I think he would have died with or without Hot Rod.

Ding ding ding! We have the correct answer. Hot Rod saw the gun Megatron was reaching for, that's when he jumped in. Kup was standing right near Hot Rod so either he saw the gun too and just didn't care or he's a blind old man.

Optimus had him cold. If Megatron had went for the gun, with no Hot Rod in the way, he's vaped.
However, Hot Rod did not cause Prime's death. Megatron, and the lack of any qualified medical bots, did. I mean, Perceptor? Come on.

What's wrong with Perceptor, I mean other than his completly useless alt mode.

Saber Prime wrote:

MagnusPrimal wrote:

Saber Prime wrote:

Sarri wrote:Question is: Would Prime really have shot Megatron? or would have Megatron been able to reach his gun and shoot Prime?

I think he would have died with or without Hot Rod.

Ding ding ding! We have the correct answer. Hot Rod saw the gun Megatron was reaching for, that's when he jumped in. Kup was standing right near Hot Rod so either he saw the gun too and just didn't care or he's a blind old man.

Optimus had him cold. If Megatron had went for the gun, with no Hot Rod in the way, he's vaped.
However, Hot Rod did not cause Prime's death. Megatron, and the lack of any qualified medical bots, did. I mean, Perceptor? Come on.

What's wrong with Perceptor, I mean other than his completly useless alt mode.

The problem? He isnt a medical bot, he is a giant magnifying glass.
I am betting if Ratchet or even Wheeljack was alive, Prime would have at least made it to Unicron.

Hell, they should have flown Prime's body to the planet of Junk. Wreckgar and his crew would have him together in 20 minutes, plus they would probably throw in a 5 year warranty on parts and labour.

Saber Prime wrote:Tracks for example had one good episode that I actully remember him in and I belive it's when Megatron was stealing cars to be made into the Stuticons. The rest of the series Tracks is still seen but he's allmost allways a backround character with 1 or 2 lines.

Tracks wasnt in the episode where Megatron creates the Stunticons[ The Key to Vector Sigma].....the episode your thinking of was called "Make tracks" and Meg's was stealing cars in this one to created mindless drones.

Windsweeper wrote:Rodimus Prime is my alltime fave Autobot followed closely by Prowl.
Just needs a better toy.

Have you seen the Titanim Rodimus Prime???

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Saber Prime wrote:Tracks for example had one good episode that I actully remember him in and I belive it's when Megatron was stealing cars to be made into the Stuticons. The rest of the series Tracks is still seen but he's allmost allways a backround character with 1 or 2 lines.

Tracks wasnt in the episode where Megatron creates the Stunticons[ The Key to Vector Sigma].....the episode your thinking of was called "Make tracks" and Meg's was stealing cars in this one to created mindless drones.

The Stunticons were mindless drones to begine with till they were given personalitys by Vector Sigma. I'm preddy sure thoughs were the same cars in both episodes.

Saber Prime wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Saber Prime wrote:Tracks for example had one good episode that I actully remember him in and I belive it's when Megatron was stealing cars to be made into the Stuticons. The rest of the series Tracks is still seen but he's allmost allways a backround character with 1 or 2 lines.

Tracks wasnt in the episode where Megatron creates the Stunticons[ The Key to Vector Sigma].....the episode your thinking of was called "Make tracks" and Meg's was stealing cars in this one to created mindless drones.

The Stunticons were mindless drones to begine with till they were given personalitys by Vector Sigma. I'm preddy sure thoughs were the same cars in both episodes.

yeah but Tracks wasnt in "The key to vector sigma".But he was in "Make Tracks".Its the one where he meets that Puerto Rican kid.

As far as the characters go, I'll have to say Optimus Prime is hands down my favorite of the two of them. However I have nothing against Hot Rod, or Rodimus Prime, they're both great characters. I don't think Rodimus should have been the leader of the autobots necessarily but hey that's a whole different discussion.

Now of their different forms, Optimus is a Semi, and Hot Rod is exactly that... a Hot Rod. I loved the look of his car form. Now Rodimus Prime to me was awesome in vehicle mode, I thought the Van/Truck mode was great. It had a great look to it and I thought it was a far better vehicle mode than the semi and trailer of Optimus Prime. It almost looks like a futuristic Hummer to me. I deffinately like it and if gas prices and money were not an issue I'd own a vehicle like that.

Now when it comes down to the toys there have been so many versions that I just couldn't begin to analyze them all objectivly without having them all in hand. So if someone could just go ahead and ship them to me and I'll evaluate them and ship them back when I've done my review.

Blitzwing_99 wrote:Does anyone actually like Rodimus Prime more than Optimus? I just wanna know if Rodimus Prime has any supprters

Rodimus is awesome! Not like Optimus Prime...

Hot Rod wasn't wrong for trying to help Optimus, but he was an idiot. Instead of trying to tackle Megatron and getting in Optimus' line of fire, he should of just yelled to Prime that Megatron was reaching for a gun.

Even with out Hot Rod's help, I think that Optimus could have gotten the shot off and taken down Megatron before he could have grabbed the gun, raised it, and fired.

Now the scene is playing out in my head with my "Smallest Transformers" that are sitting out in front of me on my desk......

MagnusPrimal wrote:

Saber Prime wrote:

Sarri wrote:Question is: Would Prime really have shot Megatron? or would have Megatron been able to reach his gun and shoot Prime?

I think he would have died with or without Hot Rod.

Ding ding ding! We have the correct answer. Hot Rod saw the gun Megatron was reaching for, that's when he jumped in. Kup was standing right near Hot Rod so either he saw the gun too and just didn't care or he's a blind old man.

Optimus had him cold. If Megatron had went for the gun, with no Hot Rod in the way, he's vaped.
However, Hot Rod did not cause Prime's death. Megatron, and the lack of any qualified medical bots, did. I mean, Perceptor? Come on.

I always wondered: Where the hell is the Protectobots? why didn't First Aid show up?
If they had Defensor and Superion there, they might have gotten a bit... better off hand. besides First Aid is the medic, after Ratchet dies (damnit, Ratchet rules, but why the f did they have to kill the awesomeness of doctor-bots?)

The Unicron Singularity wrote:

MagnusPrimal wrote:

Saber Prime wrote:

Sarri wrote:Question is: Would Prime really have shot Megatron? or would have Megatron been able to reach his gun and shoot Prime?

I think he would have died with or without Hot Rod.

Ding ding ding! We have the correct answer. Hot Rod saw the gun Megatron was reaching for, that's when he jumped in. Kup was standing right near Hot Rod so either he saw the gun too and just didn't care or he's a blind old man.

Optimus had him cold. If Megatron had went for the gun, with no Hot Rod in the way, he's vaped.
However, Hot Rod did not cause Prime's death. Megatron, and the lack of any qualified medical bots, did. I mean, Perceptor? Come on.

I always wondered: Where the hell is the Protectobots? why didn't First Aid show up?
If they had Defensor and Superion there, they might have gotten a bit... better off hand. besides First Aid is the medic, after Ratchet dies (damnit, Ratchet rules, but why the f did they have to kill the awesomeness of doctor-bots?)

G1 Medics galor!

BW Rhinox

BM Rattrap? Botanica

RID???

Armada/Cybertron Red Alert

Energon Where the F is Red Alert?

Movie Ratchet

G1 has the monopoly on Med-bots