Loki120 wrote:I long since lost interest in the new IDW series. When Runamuck and Runabout show up before soundwave and the tapes, it's time to check out.
Grimshock wrote:That's why the Furman stuff bothers me so much now. It didn't jive with anything that existed. He made up so much junk and we now find ourselves with all these sub-factions, religions, etc. None of which can be supported by the roots of TF's.
Grimshock wrote:I agree. I've pretty much checked out of any story telling. It really is our demise that there are so many continuities. All we do is argue over what is correct and it's all based on opinion, nothing factual because all the facts are constantly thrown out the window.
And, you know, it has been there since day one. We were all just too young to realize it. When you take a step back and look at it now, you realize it's all just a big mess. This new movie isn't helping things either with another all new story.
That's why the Furman stuff bothers me so much now. It didn't jive with anything that existed. He made up so much junk and we now find ourselves with all these sub-factions, religions, etc. None of which can be supported by the roots of TF's.
You know, kudos for McDonough and Patyk for trying to bring it all together. Yes, their writing wasn't fantastic, but they tried. Given people's criticisms of DW, it wasn't appreciated.
So, where does that leave us? Constantly in argument over the color of Rumble, over Jetfire versus Skyfire, over gender, Grimlock's intelligence, over water on Cybertron, over mass displacement, even over the origin of TF's, etc, etc, etc.
The worst part is that it all could have been avoided. The guidelines were there. It was clear, but they messed up.
So, no surprise. The result is a fandom that does almost nothing but fight (sometimes bitterly). We are so divided and rarely come together with a united voice. How many fans do you think have left the community because of the hatred? I've seen plenty of comments wondering how we retain anyone.
Constantly in argument over the color of Rumble
He made up so much [...] The guidelines were there.
It really is our demise that there are so many continuities. All we do is argue
so has it been ruled out permanantly that Unicron will not appear in IDW comics? What is the reason
Denyer wrote: Rumble's red according to the toys, comics, Japanese show, the US show writing notes, etc.
And we know this by now, which makes arguing about it futile.
bookofjunon wrote:Denyer wrote: Rumble's red according to the toys, comics, Japanese show, the US show writing notes, etc.
And we know this by now, which makes arguing about it futile.
And yet, in the G1 show he's blue, arguement ensue. The fact is some of us will always think of Rumble as blue.
Stormwolf wrote:bookofjunon wrote:Denyer wrote: Rumble's red according to the toys, comics, Japanese show, the US show writing notes, etc.
And we know this by now, which makes arguing about it futile.
And yet, in the G1 show he's blue, arguement ensue. The fact is some of us will always think of Rumble as blue.
Well, that's their problem then, I personally couldn't care less about those discussions.
bookofjunon wrote:But some do, hense the reason the debate. We are a divided fandom and we have the fact no one will stick to any one canon to blame.
bookofjunon wrote:I remember when Dreamwave started with Transformers Hasbro said "This will be the official continuity from now on." Well we all know how well that turned out.
Stormwolf wrote:Loki120 wrote:I long since lost interest in the new IDW series. When Runamuck and Runabout show up before soundwave and the tapes, it's time to check out.
Why is that bad?
Loki120 wrote:Stormwolf wrote:Loki120 wrote:I long since lost interest in the new IDW series. When Runamuck and Runabout show up before soundwave and the tapes, it's time to check out.
Why is that bad?
Because it's Runa-shmuck and Runabout, arguably two of the worse TF toys to ever be saddled on the community. Why they preferred to start of with these instead of the Soundwave or the tapes is a mystery I really didn't care to resolve. And no, I don't care about retroactive continuity...so no Soundwave didn't show up before Runamuck and Runabout. By the time the spotlights came about I long since ceased caring.
bookofjunon wrote:And yet, in the G1 show he's blue
Loki120 wrote:Because it's Runa-shmuck and Runabout, arguably two of the worse TF toys to ever be saddled on the community.
Leonardo wrote:Hasbro and Takara may have given us The Transformers, but writers like Furman gave us, as far as I'm concerned, Cybertron and the socio-political world in which they lived. That, to me, is a good thing. Without that, we'd have flat interactions, no character embellishment, no interest.
Denyer wrote:(Everything he said a few posts back.)
Loki120 wrote:Because it's Runa-shmuck and Runabout, arguably two of the worse TF toys to ever be saddled on the community.Stormwolf wrote:Why is [featuring Runamuck and Runabout] bad?
Psychout wrote:Im not scared of a gender confused minibot!
Psychout wrote:Im not scared of a gender confused minibot!
Glyph wrote:Personally, I think it's a great thing that IDW's G1 retelling has the confidence to start with two very minor characters like the Battlechargers rather than immediately leading with the big guns - Prime, Megs, Soundwave and so on. And I also think it's a great thing that these near-unknown characters get used at all, which is of course another piece of the Furman MO - take an under-utilised, practically unknown character and turn it into something people can care about. The TF universe would be a lot smaller and a lot less interesting, IMO, without that particular Furman trait.
Grimshock wrote:Keep in mind that there aren't really that many people reading comics compared to the number enjoying the other facets of TF's. If you check out the posts, there are really only a handful of guys who regularly post on any news related to comics. On the other hand, tons of people post on the other topics. To me, that really means that those of you who have the argument that Furman has created a wonderful universe that moves the TF's in a progressive direction doesn't really make sense. Otherwise, more of the fandom would actually care. Personally, I think more would if the stories were better. But, most of us have moved on because so much of conflicts and is really rather silly.
Grimshock wrote:I also disagree that there can't be development without sticking to some guidelines. There is SOOOO much material to work with. SOOOO many characters that could be explored. Our writers have not even come close to scratching the potential. Even worse, they have only created debates because people care. I think it's terrible that people suggest that we simply disregard certain portions of the writing. But I do see why they would. It really is the only way one could enjoy the stories. What a shame.
Grimshock wrote:Also agree that better decisions could have been made than to introduce Runabout and Runamuck that early. Similar to a comment I made regarding Sideswipe's appearance. It's a sad day for TF fans if we get that excited about finally seeing Sideswipe. A shame that such a fan favorite from series 1 took so long to appear. Our writers need to learn a little about their customers.
Grimshock wrote:Maybe then people would actually care a little more about the comics.
Loki120 wrote:Sorry, just lost interest in IDW a while back, and considering how the franchise works, I expect it gone and a whole new continuity to start with the next year or so.
Loki120 wrote:Or...they could start with the big guns and actually make them interesting. Who here really wants to know anything more about Runabout and Runamuck...and be honest. Just about as many who want to make Wheelie more interesting.
Loki120 wrote:Sorry, just lost interest in IDW a while back, and considering how the franchise works, I expect it gone and a whole new continuity to start with the next year or so.
Psychout wrote:Im not scared of a gender confused minibot!
Grimshock wrote:Otherwise, more of the fandom would actually care.
Grimshock wrote:I also disagree that there can't be development without sticking to some guidelines. There is SOOOO much material to work with. SOOOO many characters that could be explored.
Grimshock wrote:Also agree that better decisions could have been made than to introduce Runabout and Runamuck that early.
Grimshock wrote:Our writers need to learn a little about their customers.
Glyph wrote:If I already knew everything about them, there'd be nothing to read the comics for.
Glyph wrote:anticip...ation
Leonardo wrote:Yeti wrote:I'm not keen on Galvy not been Megs. It just doesn't sit right with me. I'm all for new takes, but it just sees TOO radical. As ever, I'll reserve final judgement till I read it.
Too radical? Wasn't G1 Galvatron intended to be a different character to G1 Megatron originally, anyway?
Grimshock wrote: Furman makes up a huge mythology with no basis.
Leonardo wrote:Wasn't G1 Galvatron intended to be a different character to G1 Megatron originally, anyway?
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