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shockblast2 wrote:If you want companies that seek out that market you need to do business with 3rd party companies.

He does. That's why X is always harping on Hasbro and Takara for making children's toys instead of being more adult-oriented like 3rd parties.

Randomhero wrote:Know what also is titled 'generations'? The reissue insecticons

That isn't the first time a Platinum Edition toy has also had the logo of another line on its packaging. The Target exclusive Platinum Edition releases of AOE toys were sold in AOE packaging.

william-james88 wrote:

shockblast2 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Randomhero wrote:I'm just taking things for what they are. So what if a case is two per box. Sure, metroplex was but so are Leader class figures, MP Prime, the MP seekers and the packaging for those figures were not as big as metroplex. 2 in a case just means that. Doesn't mean is a giant box they're shipped in.

We are way past that. Now we are worried that a generations devastator no longer assumes a new mold.

If not, then great. If so, then don't buy it. Buy a third party one to fit in with your geewun classics crap. Why does it matter? Hasbro is not releasing figures to appease middle aged toy collectors. They are selling toys to children. Awesome if what they make appeals to us. If not, then get over it. Our time is up. The eighties are long over. This isn't geewun. Its that simple.

There are WAYYYY more issues to worry about in this life other than fretting over what mold is used in a TOY.

(This is rhetorical. Not directed at William.)

Dont worry, I didnt take it the wrong way and I get your point of view. However, I would like to point out that since this is a transformers toy forum, fretting over what mold is used in a toy is kinda the point of a forum existing. I hang out here to give my two cents on my hopes and fears for this brand and it's figures I care for, knowing that once I click the exit button I go back to a world filled with poverty, terrorism and discrimination. Seibertron is a nice sanctuary for us fans and I dont find it fair to say we shouldnt be here doing what a forum is all about.

And as for this not being G1, I completely agree. Did you see how articulated this new Superion is?

I understand, but the world ain't that bad my friend! Screw the news! I guess Transformers can be as good as anything when it comes to breaking the anxiety of everyday life. If that is what you do to vent then go for it. Better than pills any day, I guess. I never thought that could be a reason. Since this is yours and you are man enough to admit it, then preach on my friend.

The rest of you, QUIT!


Rather than listening to current news about jihadists and the like, lets dance!

Randomhero wrote:Don't get me wrong. Do I want a giant devastator composed of 5 to 6 guys with awesome robot modes and combine into a stable, proportionate robot? Yes. But let's be honest, each robot would have to be the size of Leader Jetfire and a huge plastic brick to make it happen. I really do think this as a G1 reissue of Devastator in a huge box with some lovely art. Could I be wrong? Yes, do I hope I am? Yes! Do I think I'm wrong? No...

I wager this guy here is absolutely correct.

Sabrblade wrote:

shockblast2 wrote:If you want companies that seek out that market you need to do business with 3rd party companies.

He does. That's why X is always harping on Hasbro and Takara for making children's toys instead of being more adult-oriented like 3rd parties.

I don't see Hasbro changing its business model - EVER - , so what is the point? Why complain about something that is so illogical?

You know what, the hell with it. Who am I to question? Maybe it is therapeutic for him. If so, then go for it.


So Sabre, we haven't had a good geewun debate in a while. Are you feeling combative today?

shockblast2 wrote:

Randomhero wrote:Don't get me wrong. Do I want a giant devastator composed of 5 to 6 guys with awesome robot modes and combine into a stable, proportionate robot? Yes. But let's be honest, each robot would have to be the size of Leader Jetfire and a huge plastic brick to make it happen. I really do think this as a G1 reissue of Devastator in a huge box with some lovely art. Could I be wrong? Yes, do I hope I am? Yes! Do I think I'm wrong? No...

I wager this guy here is absolutely correct.

Thanks for the kind words Shockblast 2.

And as for the guy being right, well I just read the rumour that started everything. And it says this:

Also, please take this info with a grain of salt. I did see something official, but not enough, like with the Leader Magnus figure, to be 100% on certain aspects.

Oh no. That means all the guy saw was a listing for Generations Devastator like we just finally saw and not much else. I read in another post that the 6 voyager size robots was also just speculation based on the listing and price, just as we are doing. So for all we know, Randomhero now has as good a chance being right than Chuckdawg or the initial person who reported the rumour.

The only problem with that theory is that G1 Devastator is absolutely tiny. At least the Insecticons were about Cyberverse Commander-sized, but selling 6 sub-Scout toys at a Titan pricepoint is just idiotic.
Also, Shockblast, why do you keep trying to start fights? Every time I see you in a thread, you're ranting about Geewunners and whiners. There was no argument prior to you coming here. Wanting a decent toy does not make us Geewunners.

william-james88 wrote:

shockblast2 wrote:

Randomhero wrote:Don't get me wrong. Do I want a giant devastator composed of 5 to 6 guys with awesome robot modes and combine into a stable, proportionate robot? Yes. But let's be honest, each robot would have to be the size of Leader Jetfire and a huge plastic brick to make it happen. I really do think this as a G1 reissue of Devastator in a huge box with some lovely art. Could I be wrong? Yes, do I hope I am? Yes! Do I think I'm wrong? No...

I wager this guy here is absolutely correct.

Thanks for the kind words Shockblast 2.

And as for the guy being right, well I just read the rumour that started everything. And it says this:

Also, please take this info with a grain of salt. I did see something official, but not enough, like with the Leader Magnus figure, to be 100% on certain aspects.

Oh no. That means all the guy saw was a listing for Generations Devastator like we just finally saw and not much else. I read in another post that the 6 voyager size robots was also just speculation based on the listing and price, just as we are doing. So for all we know, Randomhero now has as good a chance being right than Chuckdawg or the initial person who reported the rumour.

No problem brother, I meant them.

We won't know one way or the other how this will shake out, at least not until Hasbro makes an official announcement, but I think it's far LESS likely that we're looking at a reissue of G1 Devastator than a brand new mold on the horizon. Let's be cautiously optimistic instead of defensive pessimistic on this.

Metro Prime wrote:The only problem with that theory is that G1 Devastator is absolutely tiny. At least the Insecticons were about Cyberverse Commander-sized, but selling 6 sub-Scout toys at a Titan pricepoint is just idiotic.
Also, Shockblast, why do you keep trying to start fights? Every time I see you in a thread, you're ranting about Geewunners and whiners. There was no argument prior to you coming here. Wanting a decent toy does not make us Geewunners.

True enough. Could be ANYTHING at this point.

However my friends, let us rejoice that it is SOMETHING.

If we do get Magnus and Devastator, with all the others figures that we know of and have been rumored, what a year!

I would take this "thrilling 31" over ANY other!

shockblast2 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

shockblast2 wrote:If you want companies that seek out that market you need to do business with 3rd party companies.

He does. That's why X is always harping on Hasbro and Takara for making children's toys instead of being more adult-oriented like 3rd parties.

I don't see Hasbro changing its business model - EVER - , so what is the point? Why complain about something that is so illogical?

Sent a PM.

shockblast2 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Randomhero wrote:I'm just taking things for what they are. So what if a case is two per box. Sure, metroplex was but so are Leader class figures, MP Prime, the MP seekers and the packaging for those figures were not as big as metroplex. 2 in a case just means that. Doesn't mean is a giant box they're shipped in.

We are way past that. Now we are worried that a generations devastator no longer assumes a new mold.

If not, then great. If so, then don't buy it. Buy a third party one to fit in with your geewun classics crap. Why does it matter? Hasbro is not releasing figures to appease middle aged toy collectors. They are selling toys to children. Awesome if what they make appeals to us. If not, then get over it. Our time is up. The eighties are long over. This isn't geewun. Its that simple.

There are WAYYYY more issues to worry about in this life other than fretting over what mold is used in a TOY.

(This is rhetorical. Not directed at William.)

PLEASE PLEASE explain the star wars black figures.. please.. they're very well articulated, they come in very boring black packaging, have small parts, and other accessories.. but they're a main toy line for them.. who are those directed towards?.. kids? really? with that all-black packaging with very little on it, those figures, from a series of movies that began almost 40 years ago, is directed towards children?..

where is the transformers version of the black series?.. seriously. you could say masterpiece but.. clearly hasbro has no intention of catching up on them. generations sure as hell can't be it, considering ALL of the hollow parts, no wrist or ankle joints, the fact that every new figure seems to shrink and shrink.. oh, and the fact that they've been over simplified.

so again.. why can't we have a black series? there is PLENTY of kid oriented stuff as it is. you had the entire AOE toy line which was full of mind numbingly simple toys. the new RID line is just and extension of that. same with the new generations figures which are just as simple. hasbro needs to understand that with a 30 year old brand, they're going to have 30 year old fans.

TimothyR wrote:
PLEASE PLEASE explain the star wars black figures.. please.. they're very well articulated, they come in very boring black packaging, have small parts, and other accessories.. but they're a main toy line for them.. who are those directed towards?.. kids? really? with that all-black packaging with very little on it, those figures, from a series of movies that began almost 40 years ago, is directed towards children?..

where is the transformers version of the black series?.. seriously. you could say masterpiece but.. clearly hasbro has no intention of catching up on them. generations sure as hell can't be it, considering ALL of the hollow parts, no wrist or ankle joints, the fact that every new figure seems to shrink and shrink.. oh, and the fact that they've been over simplified.

so again.. why can't we have a black series? there is PLENTY of kid oriented stuff as it is. you had the entire AOE toy line which was full of mind numbingly simple toys. the new RID line is just and extension of that. same with the new generations figures which are just as simple. hasbro needs to understand that with a 30 year old brand, they're going to have 30 year old fans.

I hear ya and I saw this mentioned in another post. Dont know if it was also you. But I got the answer to that. It's not masterpiece because that would be more the TF equivalent of Sideshow Star Wars figures. I feel the tf version of the Black series is the Takara legends line. Pretty much, the takara release of the Hasbro generations figures. The better deco definitely makes this a more adult and collector oriented line than the Hasbro version of the same line. It also fetches a higher price tag that kids couldnt so readily afford. And I dont find the generations figures overly simplified. They have had a similar level of complexity since Classics began. Did you handle Generations deluxe Optimus Prime from WFC? If you are referring to the figures of this year, I could reffer you to Rhinox who is very detailed and quite complex (and the Takara version has a more accurate deco, hence why I see that as our black series) and there is also Sky byte who had a very nice transformation. And deluxe Armada Starscream is just a tiny bit more complex than the original Voyager Armada Starscream, with a better alt mode and better articulation. So I dont see one would call it inferior to prior releases. What would you be referring to? Or would you say that we have never had a Black Series counterpart in TF toys?

It's just my theory but the size of the box doesn't matter. Look at the new insecticon box. It's ridiculously big! And remember the original g1 gift boxes? Those were mostly box lol

But yes, it's all rumors. Hasbro hasn't even announced anything yet

TimothyR wrote:

shockblast2 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Randomhero wrote:I'm just taking things for what they are. So what if a case is two per box. Sure, metroplex was but so are Leader class figures, MP Prime, the MP seekers and the packaging for those figures were not as big as metroplex. 2 in a case just means that. Doesn't mean is a giant box they're shipped in.

We are way past that. Now we are worried that a generations devastator no longer assumes a new mold.

If not, then great. If so, then don't buy it. Buy a third party one to fit in with your geewun classics crap. Why does it matter? Hasbro is not releasing figures to appease middle aged toy collectors. They are selling toys to children. Awesome if what they make appeals to us. If not, then get over it. Our time is up. The eighties are long over. This isn't geewun. Its that simple.

There are WAYYYY more issues to worry about in this life other than fretting over what mold is used in a TOY.

(This is rhetorical. Not directed at William.)

PLEASE PLEASE explain the star wars black figures.. please.. they're very well articulated, they come in very boring black packaging, have small parts, and other accessories.. but they're a main toy line for them.. who are those directed towards?.. kids? really? with that all-black packaging with very little on it, those figures, from a series of movies that began almost 40 years ago, is directed towards children?..

where is the transformers version of the black series?.. seriously. you could say masterpiece but.. clearly hasbro has no intention of catching up on them. generations sure as hell can't be it, considering ALL of the hollow parts, no wrist or ankle joints, the fact that every new figure seems to shrink and shrink.. oh, and the fact that they've been over simplified.

so again.. why can't we have a black series? there is PLENTY of kid oriented stuff as it is. you had the entire AOE toy line which was full of mind numbingly simple toys. the new RID line is just and extension of that. same with the new generations figures which are just as simple. hasbro needs to understand that with a 30 year old brand, they're going to have 30 year old fans.

Hasbro is fully aware of the fandom. Generations, botcon, TFCC are examples of their awareness.

ill just be happy to finally see a new devastator combiner that looks the way it should assuming this is all true

The problem with making 'adult collector' transformers is it often means a more complicated transformation. Besides the fact that it takes a lot of expensive time and engineering to do that, there's also collector fatigue.

Speaking as an adult collector, who now has a fair number of the newer Tformer figures, I can say that I am coming to look on transforming them as a chore. Whether done all at once or staggered out over time, transforming every figure in my collection takes a long time and is not something I generally look forward to. Because some have transformations that are so complicated that I wind up leaving them in one mode (like Universe Deluxe Galvatron, RTS Perceptor).

I'm therefore actually kind of OK with making them a LITTLE less complicated. Figures that I don't have to constantly refer to the instruction sheet to get the job done, or have to view the review video on YouTube because I got stuck on a step here or there.

The Classics line and much of the Universe line had it just about right. After that, some of the transformations became too complicated. I think it's OK to take a baby step back to where the transformations were complex, and the figures had excellent articulation, but were not SO complicated that you got frustrated.

The newer figures are still light years ahead of where the G1 and even G2 figures were. They were good, but they were still mostly shellformers and unarticulated bricks with the legs welded together.

shockblast2 wrote:

If not, then great. If so, then don't buy it. Buy a third party one to fit in with your geewun classics crap. Why does it matter? Hasbro is not releasing figures to appease middle aged toy collectors. They are selling toys to children. Awesome if what they make appeals to us. If not, then get over it. Our time is up. The eighties are long over. This isn't geewun. Its that simple.

There are WAYYYY more issues to worry about in this life other than fretting over what mold is used in a TOY.

(This is rhetorical. Not directed at William.)

You do know where you're posting from don't you? A Transformers fan site. This isn't CNN where real world sh@t is going down. WE well know there are far more important things in life but please do try to stay on topic or at least try not to derail it.
Some folks would love a true generations release with new molds and not just a G1 reissue. If you got more pressing matters to attend to than bugger off and do so.

xMXUx wrote:I'm not liking where this is going...

I hear you, starting to get a sour taste in my mouth.....

Shockwave7 wrote:The problem with making 'adult collector' transformers is it often means a more complicated transformation. Besides the fact that it takes a lot of expensive time and engineering to do that, there's also collector fatigue.

Speaking as an adult collector, who now has a fair number of the newer Tformer figures, I can say that I am coming to look on transforming them as a chore. Whether done all at once or staggered out over time, transforming every figure in my collection takes a long time and is not something I generally look forward to. Because some have transformations that are so complicated that I wind up leaving them in one mode (like Universe Deluxe Galvatron, RTS Perceptor).

I agree entirely, those two moulds, along with others that while they might not be as complex to transform, take a bit more work in posing properly - Universe Prowl (and the other Datsuns,) Gen Kup, United Straxus and Universe Ironhide/Ratchet - so many moving parts you have to balance just right so they're standing up ok...

I've had a lot of fun with the recent Generations releases, relatively easy transformation, great to pose... I'll admit to even looking at Crosscut/Skids of an evening and then not bother picking up to transform... As long as simplicity doesn't get in the way of character design or either modes, I'm quite happy.

Randomhero wrote:Probably going to be a G1 reissue of destator with a giant box and a $150 price point. Not unlike the reissue insecticons

I'd faint from laughing so hard. I'd spend a whole day on the forums just to read the replies. A small part of me hopes that it ends up being a G1 reissue or even better, the Energon molds.

I hope is not a "titan" class crap like:

shockblast2 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

shockblast2 wrote:If you want companies that seek out that market you need to do business with 3rd party companies.

He does. That's why X is always harping on Hasbro and Takara for making children's toys instead of being more adult-oriented like 3rd parties.

I don't see Hasbro changing its business model - EVER - , so what is the point? Why complain about something that is so illogical?

You know what, the hell with it. Who am I to question? Maybe it is therapeutic for him. If so, then go for it.


So Sabre, we haven't had a good geewun debate in a while. Are you feeling combative today?

Colt 45 is therapeutic.

Pointing out Hasbro's poor choices is just keeping it real.

Last time I checked G1 is 30 years old. Little kids dont give a crap about Generations characters that are 30 years old. Thats why Hasbro makes goofy lines like RID and TF Prime. CHUG figures are made for adult collectors. Kids are really the afterthought for the Generations line. But sometimes the figures gimmicks dont reflect the target audience. (most recently Hasbros silly one size fits all CW feet/arms. Would it have been too hard for them to just model the hands and feet after some FP parts so it actually looks cool ? I think not...

chuckdawg1999 wrote:

Randomhero wrote:Probably going to be a G1 reissue of destator with a giant box and a $150 price point. Not unlike the reissue insecticons

I'd faint from laughing so hard. I'd spend a whole day on the forums just to read the replies. A small part of me hopes that it ends up being a G1 reissue or even better, the Energon molds.

Sorry, Hasbro already beat you to THAT particular trolling:

Rated X wrote:

shockblast2 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

shockblast2 wrote:If you want companies that seek out that market you need to do business with 3rd party companies.

He does. That's why X is always harping on Hasbro and Takara for making children's toys instead of being more adult-oriented like 3rd parties.

I don't see Hasbro changing its business model - EVER - , so what is the point? Why complain about something that is so illogical?

You know what, the hell with it. Who am I to question? Maybe it is therapeutic for him. If so, then go for it.


So Sabre, we haven't had a good geewun debate in a while. Are you feeling combative today?

Colt 45 is therapeutic.

Pointing out Hasbro's poor choices is just keeping it real.

Last time I checked G1 is 30 years old. Little kids dont give a crap about Generations characters that are 30 years old. Thats why Hasbro makes goofy lines like RID and TF Prime. CHUG figures are made for adult collectors. Kids are really the afterthought for the Generations line. But sometimes the figures gimmicks dont reflect the target audience. (most recently Hasbros silly one size fits all CW feet/arms. Would it have been too hard for them to just model the hands and feet after some FP parts so it actually looks cool ? I think not...

Probably not, but universality is the name of the game. And the question of "is the articulation good enough" would likely still be an issue for some.