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Autobot032 wrote:

SpacerAM2 wrote:I like to see it fail. Which it most certainly will. Because Robert Orci is both a Castro follower ,and is also focus on Star Trek more than transformers. Can't stand Orci's diabolical Castro avatar on Murphy's site. If Orci lived in Cuba he would of never been as wealthy as he is now. Guaranteed! Also cause Don Murphy is insanely evil ,and a very bad producer. Cause Bay is an ego driven maniac for doing it his own way ,and ignoring the fans. Talking smack about us on almost every interview. Spielberg for letting Bay commit chaos by destroying the tf film franchise at his first try. And for Hasbro not caring as usual. Cause Hasbro is going to make a profit on the huge transformers fan base. But they all won't make a penny from me on either the film or any of their other merchandise from the film.

Get over yourself. It's fans like you that make Bay say the things he says.

Orci's a Castro follower? WTF?! Plenty of people have had Castro pictures and icons, it doesn't always mean what you think. Plenty of people have reasons why they do what they do without being sinister. They also owe you no explanation at all, either.

Sad thing, until you mentioned him in your post, I had forgotten all about Don Murphy. The film and everyone else around him outclasses him by leaps and bounds so much so, that I had forgotten about his pointless and stupid little tirades long ago.

If Hasbro didn't care, we wouldn't have TFs period. Late '80s, G1 died out. A few years later, they tried to bring the line back to life with G2. It failed, but at least they tried. (They didn't have to.) Then they gave us Beast Wars (and telling you how much that didn't fail is pointless. Unless you're that oblivious, and you're starting to prove that to me....)

I admit that money's definitely a driving force behind all of this, I mean who doesn't see that? I'd be crazy and/or ignorant not to admit it, however...there's more than money behind it.

Hasbro does indeed appreciate the fans or we wouldn't have gotten the fanwanks we've received in these past few years. Hell, they've even had Aaron Archer at some of the BotCons (at least one to my knowledge) when they could just say "Hah! A convention? What losers. No, we won't attend. We have to spend time making more money. These lemmings will buy anything!" but they don't. They actually listen to our input, they actually give a damn about our opinion. Just because they can't answer all of our concerns or give into all of our demands, doesn't mean they're in it solely for the money.

As I said before, get over yourself. The world (especially the business world) doesn't revolve around you, and if you must continue bitching, please...get the hell out of the way so the rest of us can enjoy what you're willing to pass up.

More for us, ftw!

QFT x 2.

Well played, sir. Well played.

Asderiphel wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:

SpacerAM2 wrote:I like to see it fail. Which it most certainly will. Because Robert Orci is both a Castro follower ,and is also focus on Star Trek more than transformers. Can't stand Orci's diabolical Castro avatar on Murphy's site. If Orci lived in Cuba he would of never been as wealthy as he is now. Guaranteed! Also cause Don Murphy is insanely evil ,and a very bad producer. Cause Bay is an ego driven maniac for doing it his own way ,and ignoring the fans. Talking smack about us on almost every interview. Spielberg for letting Bay commit chaos by destroying the tf film franchise at his first try. And for Hasbro not caring as usual. Cause Hasbro is going to make a profit on the huge transformers fan base. But they all won't make a penny from me on either the film or any of their other merchandise from the film.

Get over yourself. It's fans like you that make Bay say the things he says.

Orci's a Castro follower? WTF?! Plenty of people have had Castro pictures and icons, it doesn't always mean what you think. Plenty of people have reasons why they do what they do without being sinister. They also owe you no explanation at all, either.

Sad thing, until you mentioned him in your post, I had forgotten all about Don Murphy. The film and everyone else around him outclasses him by leaps and bounds so much so, that I had forgotten about his pointless and stupid little tirades long ago.

If Hasbro didn't care, we wouldn't have TFs period. Late '80s, G1 died out. A few years later, they tried to bring the line back to life with G2. It failed, but at least they tried. (They didn't have to.) Then they gave us Beast Wars (and telling you how much that didn't fail is pointless. Unless you're that oblivious, and you're starting to prove that to me....)

I admit that money's definitely a driving force behind all of this, I mean who doesn't see that? I'd be crazy and/or ignorant not to admit it, however...there's more than money behind it.

Hasbro does indeed appreciate the fans or we wouldn't have gotten the fanwanks we've received in these past few years. Hell, they've even had Aaron Archer at some of the BotCons (at least one to my knowledge) when they could just say "Hah! A convention? What losers. No, we won't attend. We have to spend time making more money. These lemmings will buy anything!" but they don't. They actually listen to our input, they actually give a damn about our opinion. Just because they can't answer all of our concerns or give into all of our demands, doesn't mean they're in it solely for the money.

As I said before, get over yourself. The world (especially the business world) doesn't revolve around you, and if you must continue bitching, please...get the hell out of the way so the rest of us can enjoy what you're willing to pass up.

More for us, ftw!

QFT x 2.

Well played, sir. Well played.

Ditto! One of the true voices of reason here!

The true voice of reason is Jesus Christ. No one else compares. Fidel Castro is an Anti Christ ,and a dictator. People that praise a dictator like Castro can't be decent people. I call that selling out on both God and democracy.

230 licensees!! You know Hasbro is going to market products to everyone male from 5 to 35. 30 years of males to market products to, this may very possibly be huge for Hasbro. Also, a Monopoly movie, how would that play. Hmm, a multibillionaire divies out large amounts of money to regular joes. But there's a catch, they need to make that money work for them, buying up properties and such, whoever has the most money after say a year is the ultimate winner, while losers have their fortune taken away from them. Image the regular joes, what sneaky underhanded things would they do to try to win the game of Monopoly.

metimoteo wrote:I agree. Instead of licensing the brand to Dreamworks, as Hasbro did, they should have been more involved in developing the Transformers franchise from its roots, as Marvel did with Spider-Man.

Except Hasbro don't really develop their characters do they? They just have someone come along, draw a couple of designs, whip up a couple of bios, then pretty much leave it up to an outside company to develop the comics and cartoons.

Hasbro just does the basics, it's outside companies like Marvel, Dreamwave, IDW, Mainframe etc.

Marvel however create their own characters and develop their own characters so of course they're going to have a hand in the movies because they created, developed and built the characters.

Hasbro simply doesn't do that.

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One other thing to consider, who has the rights to create toys based on Marvel characters?

Go TF, I am taking my 2 mates and I to watch it as soon as it comes out here in Australia.

This is one of Hasbro's most consistent franchises. The interesting thing is that they really NEED it to succeed. The subsequent "death" of the Star Wars franchise from lack of new material is a foregone conclusion; sure, they will remake and remake figures, but really only the collectors will buy them...and the line cant be sustained on collectors only..just like a movie can't be successful if aimed at only the fans. The way Hasbro is playing this makes me suspect that they are tabbing Transformers to replace Star Wars as their big money maker. The franchise will not die if the movies fail; they will simply reinvent the line again, as they have numerous times before (G2, Machine Wars, Beast Wars, etc.). Movies may fail, but directors can be changed. If Bay screws things up, someone else will replace him. Spielberg and Hasbro won't broker failure with what is currently the number 3 boys toy line in the world- it's potentially financially devastating, which I think is why we're seeing such a (relatively) quick turnaround for TF2 (in 2009). The nice thing is if this flops, there are dozens of other stories to be told in the TF universe- Nebulos, Cybertron, origins of the TF's, a Dino/Dynobots spinoff, etc. We finally have the tech to make Transformers real and believable, making it more than just a toy commercial. Hasbro is banking almost their entire future on this movie...they won't let it fail. It may flop, but the line and Transformers will not fail...there's too much at stake.

EDIT: In case people missed it, advance tix are on sale at Fandango; this includes the advance July 2, 8pm shows in the States. Already got mine...have 16 people going, then going again to the midnite show. TWO WEEKS LEFT!!!!

Eh, I just hope Hasbro decides to keep the classics line.

Also, it would be nice if they lost the rights to make Marvel figures. I don't know about you, but since Hasbro started making Marvel Legends, the Marvel Legends seemed to get worse.

Senor Hugo wrote:Eh, I just hope Hasbro decides to keep the classics line.

Also, it would be nice if they lost the rights to make Marvel figures. I don't know about you, but since Hasbro started making Marvel Legends, the Marvel Legends seemed to get worse.

All I know is that TF Titanium 6" figures collect no dust on shelves, but Marvel Titaniums NEVER F***ING MOVE. I have seen diabetic, limbless Oprah watchers move more often than those shelf-warmers. It is amazing that they sit so damned long! Literally, at the same store, for MONTHS, the same boxes sit and sit. It is, morbidly fascinating, in a way.

But, the TF film, will NOT tank. Not because of Bay, but because of all of the weight the name itself carries. It is not your typical sci-fi franchise. This is not Star Trek 27 here, or Star wars Prequel number 5:The Angst Years.

This is ginat f***ing robots (hopefully) beating the ever-hating s*** out of one another.

This will not be lame like Gundam's live-action belly flop: G-Savior. That was worse than even a typical Michael bay film. Really...that bad.

EVERYTHING Star Wars STILL sells 30 years on, even the figures...even with the ENDLESS rehashing of the same figures, but with different paint aps, and sculpts. It is not just collectors keeping that dead horse still alive--collectors are not that common, simply.

And one last thing: If the movie flops, it will NOT be over. Quit fooling yourself. This is not Rocklords, okay? This is a HUGE property, with a HUGE fanbase of fans of the old and the new, all over the civilized world. This is TFs, a series with coming up on 25 years of legacy (Good and bad) going for it. If the film tanks, they will just start from scratch again. Or, as is the case, you go back to what works :G1 and G1-derived material/figures. Just like original SW stuff, G1 stuff SELLS. Again, not everyone is a collector, so who else is buying all those TRU Soundwave reissues????????

Just TRY finding a G1 Titanium Ultra Magnus...I know I have...and I have been looking for MONTHS.

They failed after the first movie, and they made many many mistakes, but G2 came along and rekindled the spark for many of us who had to do without for so long, then can Beast Wars, which IMHO SAVED TFs from actually coming truly close to the dustbin of history, and you know all the rest. Hasbro just kept striking flint until it got the fire started again.

So easy, a caveman could do it!

SpacerAM2 wrote:The true voice of reason is Jesus Christ. No one else compares. Fidel Castro is an Anti Christ ,and a dictator. People that praise a dictator like Castro can't be decent people. I call that selling out on both God and democracy.

I haven't had a sig quote for a while, but that was the best thing anyone has ever said. Especially if you actually meant it!

Sheogorath wrote:

SpacerAM2 wrote:The true voice of reason is Jesus Christ. No one else compares. Fidel Castro is an Anti Christ ,and a dictator. People that praise a dictator like Castro can't be decent people. I call that selling out on both God and democracy.

I haven't had a sig quote for a while, but that was the best thing anyone has ever said. Especially if you actually meant it!

For once, I agree with SpacerAM

*Twilight Zone music starts playing*

YouFearGalvatron wrote:

Sheogorath wrote:

SpacerAM2 wrote:The true voice of reason is Jesus Christ. No one else compares. Fidel Castro is an Anti Christ ,and a dictator. People that praise a dictator like Castro can't be decent people. I call that selling out on both God and democracy.

I haven't had a sig quote for a while, but that was the best thing anyone has ever said. Especially if you actually meant it!

For once, I agree with SpacerAM

*Twilight Zone music starts playing*

For the record, in case anyone didn't pick up on it: I was being sardonic.

To be honest, I think it would take a cataclysmic failure to bring an end to the Transformers line. No matter what, the toy line is selling well. It has for a long time now. And unless the film grossed under $50 mill domestic(there's NO way that happens), it would keep going.

What WOULD happen, if the movie failed, is that Hasbro will cut things to make up for the losses. Things like, I dunno, Titaniums, Robot Heroes, Alternators, maybe even convention exclusives.

I've seen some people say by not buying a ticket, it would set up a sequel that would bring back all the classic voice actors, the classic designs, be a shot for shot remake of More Than Meets The Eye and, no doubt, find a cure for the heartbreak of psoriasis. But if the movie tanks, that's it. It took a lot of convincing for it to be made in the first place. Think anyone will take the risk again? And probably a lot of other 80's properties, like the super cool Voltron script that's going around, won't get made, either.

Still, my suspicion is that Transformers is going to make a ton of money.

SpacerAM2 wrote:The true voice of reason is Jesus Christ. No one else compares. Fidel Castro is an Anti Christ ,and a dictator. People that praise a dictator like Castro can't be decent people. I call that selling out on both God and democracy.

No one said I compare, nor was anyone making the comparison, except you. (And let's face it, you are. No one compares to Christ, and I wouldn't want to be. Those are infinitely unending shoes to fill and not you, nor I could do it.) I'm a little disgusted you'd say such a thing. It might be that you simply worded it wrong, but it sounds bad.

I too am a Christian, I've accepted Christ as my savior. I have no problem with your statement as a general statement. It's nice to see someone else stand up and say something for our side.

I have a problem because it leads people to think you're comparing me, or anyone, next to Christ and it's just impossible to do. ...it actually bothers me a bit.

Again I say, no one's praising Castro. (Have you emailed or PMed Orci directly? He's a nice enough guy that I'm sure if you asked politely, he'd give the answer you require. Though he owes you nothing...)

Sheogorath wrote:For the record, in case anyone didn't pick up on it: I was being sardonic.

Yeah, and it wasn't necessary. Granted this shouldn't have been turned into anything remotely religious (there's a time and place for that), but you shouldn't have mocked him either. You have a problem with it, you take it to PM. You don't tear apart a person for their beliefs in public. You shouldn't tear anyone apart, period, but at least have the decency to do it without anyone else being able to point and laugh, or be pulled into it.

Senor Hugo wrote:Eh, I just hope Hasbro decides to keep the classics line.

Also, it would be nice if they lost the rights to make Marvel figures. I don't know about you, but since Hasbro started making Marvel Legends, the Marvel Legends seemed to get worse.

Classics is over. It truly is done. We were told it was nothing more than a filler line and they kept that promise. It was only meant to bridge the gap between the A/E/C trilogy and the movie line on store shelves. Hell, there's no comics or cartoons attached to it. It literally was a nod to the fans as a thank you, and a way to continue the merchandising train a rollin' as they waited to launch their next big strike on our wallets.

Classics was great while it lasted, but it's over. Gone. Done.

Autobot032 wrote:

Sheogorath wrote:For the record, in case anyone didn't pick up on it: I was being sardonic.

Yeah, and it wasn't necessary. Granted this shouldn't have been turned into anything remotely religious (there's a time and place for that), but you shouldn't have mocked him either. You have a problem with it, you take it to PM. You don't tear apart a person for their beliefs in public. You shouldn't tear anyone apart, period, but at least have the decency to do it without anyone else being able to point and laugh, or be pulled into it.

It had nothing to do with religion, I take issue with him saying that anyone who praises Castro can't be a decent person. An insidiously stupid comment like that, born from a narrow-minded, ignorant, judgemental attitude deserves to be mocked, and others should point and laugh at him.

Sheogorath wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:

Sheogorath wrote:For the record, in case anyone didn't pick up on it: I was being sardonic.

Yeah, and it wasn't necessary. Granted this shouldn't have been turned into anything remotely religious (there's a time and place for that), but you shouldn't have mocked him either. You have a problem with it, you take it to PM. You don't tear apart a person for their beliefs in public. You shouldn't tear anyone apart, period, but at least have the decency to do it without anyone else being able to point and laugh, or be pulled into it.

It had nothing to do with religion, I take issue with him saying that anyone who praises Castro can't be a decent person. An insidiously stupid comment like that, born from a narrow-minded, ignorant, judgemental attitude deserves to be mocked, and others should point and laugh at him.

Sheogorath is right on this one. No one but Spacer is talking about communism, Castro or God, and just because he drops a Jesus-bomb doesn't mean he gets off for being a prick. We were talking about an American capitalist movie making money, not the End of Days.

Whether he was standing up for his beliefs and stating his opinion in a political and religious post it doesnt belong in this thread. This topic is about how much hasbro wants this movie to succeed, and most accounts it looks like it will. Attacking Orci's "beliefs" because he has a certain pic in his avatar is the most absurd thing I have seen in a while. Also while being on a public forum you leave yourself open to ridicule and mockery. It's the price you pay for being on a forum such as this. He simply wants the movie to fail because its not "his" vision of what a transformers movies should be and that is an opinion shared by what is now a relatively small group of transfas when compared to the general public that is hyped to see this movie.

If this movie does fail, no one is going to be rushing right out to make a reboot to the franchise within the next 5-10 years. And Bay will simply say "I told you it was a damn toy movie and lame concept but I gave it my best shot and look what happened" Transformers will suffer, they may not go away but it wil indeed suffer and will probably take another "beast wars" type of reimagining in order to spark a new level of interest.

Sheogorath wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:

Sheogorath wrote:For the record, in case anyone didn't pick up on it: I was being sardonic.

Yeah, and it wasn't necessary. Granted this shouldn't have been turned into anything remotely religious (there's a time and place for that), but you shouldn't have mocked him either. You have a problem with it, you take it to PM. You don't tear apart a person for their beliefs in public. You shouldn't tear anyone apart, period, but at least have the decency to do it without anyone else being able to point and laugh, or be pulled into it.

It had nothing to do with religion, I take issue with him saying that anyone who praises Castro can't be a decent person. An insidiously stupid comment like that, born from a narrow-minded, ignorant, judgemental attitude deserves to be mocked, and others should point and laugh at him.

Asderiphel wrote:Sheogorath is right on this one. No one but Spacer is talking about communism, Castro or God, and just because he drops a Jesus-bomb doesn't mean he gets off for being a prick. We were talking about an American capitalist movie making money, not the End of Days.

Robinson wrote:Whether he was standing up for his beliefs and stating his opinion in a political and religious post it doesnt belong in this thread. This topic is about how much hasbro wants this movie to succeed, and most accounts it looks like it will. Attacking Orci's "beliefs" because he has a certain pic in his avatar is the most absurd thing I have seen in a while. Also while being on a public forum you leave yourself open to ridicule and mockery. It's the price you pay for being on a forum such as this. He simply wants the movie to fail because its not "his" vision of what a transformers movies should be and that is an opinion shared by what is now a relatively small group of transfas when compared to the general public that is hyped to see this movie.

If this movie does fail, no one is going to be rushing right out to make a reboot to the franchise within the next 5-10 years. And Bay will simply say "I told you it was a damn toy movie and lame concept but I gave it my best shot and look what happened" Transformers will suffer, they may not go away but it wil indeed suffer and will probably take another "beast wars" type of reimagining in order to spark a new level of interest.

Excellent points all around. I fully agree.

Although I must say, if this movie tanks...I'm not sure even a Beast Wars type of resurgence would do it for us. Lightning never strikes the same place twice, and Hasbro's lineups over the years have proven that beyond the shadow of a doubt.

I would just like to stop for a moment in the midst of this fascinating discussion to say that I and about a thousand other (possibly slightly drunk) Botcon attendees will be in a cinema in Rhode Island watching this giant robot explodathon in nine days. Nine days. Holy crap.

NINE DAYS? I need to pack! Where's my f***ing suitcase?

-Nick

Sheogorath wrote:

YouFearGalvatron wrote:

Sheogorath wrote:

SpacerAM2 wrote:The true voice of reason is Jesus Christ. No one else compares. Fidel Castro is an Anti Christ ,and a dictator. People that praise a dictator like Castro can't be decent people. I call that selling out on both God and democracy.

I haven't had a sig quote for a while, but that was the best thing anyone has ever said. Especially if you actually meant it!

For once, I agree with SpacerAM

*Twilight Zone music starts playing*

For the record, in case anyone didn't pick up on it: I was being sardonic.

I wasn't.

Sheogorath point the finger at me all you want for all I care. Lol! But I know this Transformers film will fail once it comes out. Rest assure! I don't like many of the people that are handling the film. They need a reality check like this film not doing well critic wise. I'd like to see what you'll say later. Chuckles!

If I'm wrong and if the film succeeds I'll eat my own words. But somehow that's very unlikely Sheogorath. So we'll see whose the bigger fool. A couple of more days to go! This is going to be an exciting contest for sure.

SpacerAM2 wrote:Sheogorath point the finger at me all you want for all I care. Lol! But I know this Transformers film will fail once it comes out. Rest assure! I don't like many of the people that are handling the film. They need a reality check like this film not doing well critic wise. I'd like to see what you'll say later. Chuckles!

So because you personally dont like the ppl behind the movie then the movie itself will fail?