mcfmullen wrote:Dead Metal wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:I see a lot of hate for poor Lorenzo but wasn't he also the producer for Bumblebee? The best regarded Transformers film?
He and Bay were attached as Producers, from when the Movie was still supposed to be a Prequel to the previous Live Action Movie franchise and before the reshoots and new direction.
Most of the stuff that made the movie good are actually reshoots and changes included after the test screening and Paramount getting scared of another flop.
So it's unlikely that he had anything to do with why it's liked.
The Bumblebee movie still IS a prequel to the original trilogy. Nothing in it invalidates the bay films as being part of its chronology.
Only Bumblebee 2 could possibly change this.
It can still work as a prequel, but that's only because the movies have always been really loose with their continuity.
The first movie sets up that The Autobots first arrive to Earth, BB arrived earlier because he was sent out as a scout. Sector 7 treated the events like these were the first time they encountered the TFs and had actual contact with them, they also hunt BB for the same reason.
Later it's revealed that some Transformers have arrived earlier and have lived in hiding.
Then it's revealed that the TFs were always there, established King Arthur's court, etc.
Bumblebee and other Autobots worked alongside the Allied forces in WW2.
But the Bumblebee movie has Optimus send BB directly to Earth in the 80s, because it's a secret planet the Cons don't know about and they can use it as a base for the Autobots. This contradicts previous continuity where BB traveled to Earth later, because he was scouting for the Allspark. And TLK events where it's revealed that he's been allied with America since WW2.
Blitzwing is the one to damage BB's voice box, while in the old movies it was Megatron.
Sector 7 refers to Shatter and Dropkick as being first contact with Transformers, which invalidates the Last Knight set up of BB and others being on Earth for ages and cooperating with them.
On top of that are the estetics. Everything is more G1, save for Shatter and Dropkick. BB's Camaro body is the same as his VW by, just with Camaro parts, instead of his 2007 body.
It was clearly indented to be a prequel, but the changes don't really make it fit that well, and only if you ignore The Last Knight. Which is hilarious seeing how this was originally made to further cement TLK's continuity.
), that's why this is Schrödinger's Bumblebee, where it is both a prequel and a reboot, needing another film to pull it firmly into either camp.
