AllNewSuperRobot wrote:But they are clearly aiming for the same people. If Hasbro doesn't believe in retail value of SS etc Then why do anything specifically for Victory? A series that means nothing to anyone beyond the primarily Japanese fanbase that actually saw it.
william-james88 wrote:If ever Sabrblade decides to go on vacation, I am glad to know we can rely on you.
AllNewSuperRobot wrote::lol:
Seems like points that were already discussed by various people over the last four pages. While speculation about "testing waters" is all well and good. It is a presumption like any other, until official word is released.
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:There's no precedent within HasLab though. They've all been one off's. For example, Unicron didn't beget the other two Planet Bots (Primus and Atlas, respectively) coming into existence.
Overlord and Skyshadow is weird one. As their trio is incomplete without Blue Bacchus. Who hasn't had a new figure since 1989.
ZeroWolf wrote: They'll never do Atlas though as he only existed in the IDW gi Joe vs tf series, the last issue to boot.
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:ZeroWolf wrote: They'll never do Atlas though as he only existed in the IDW gi Joe vs tf series, the last issue to boot.
Who wouldn't HasLab this?
ZeroWolf wrote:Easy, HasLab themselves He may stand a chance if atlas turns up in other media (not that it did Metrotitan any good)
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:There's no precedent within HasLab though. They've all been one off's. For example, Unicron didn't beget the other two Planet Bots (Primus and Atlas, respectively) coming into existence.
Not to mention that the year we got Unicron, Kingdom, and SS86 is 2021, the 35th anniversary of TFTM.Nuclearxpotato wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:There's no precedent within HasLab though. They've all been one off's. For example, Unicron didn't beget the other two Planet Bots (Primus and Atlas, respectively) coming into existence.
Unicron was specifically meant to tie into the TFTM revival toys. Before Unicron, SS86 didn't exist (and I believe it was apparently meant to be the final part of the WFC trilogy). It's no coincidence that we got Unicron, Rodimus, Galvatron, Cyclonus, and Scourge all in the span of a year.
Now granted, Unicron wasn't testing the waters for anything else but Haslab itself. Hasbro would always make new 86 figures because we're trapped in the perpetual cycle of 84-86 so that's a very different story from Star Saber.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Not to mention that the year we got Unicron, Kingdom, and SS86 is 2021, the 35th anniversary of TFTM.Nuclearxpotato wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:There's no precedent within HasLab though. They've all been one off's. For example, Unicron didn't beget the other two Planet Bots (Primus and Atlas, respectively) coming into existence.
Unicron was specifically meant to tie into the TFTM revival toys. Before Unicron, SS86 didn't exist (and I believe it was apparently meant to be the final part of the WFC trilogy). It's no coincidence that we got Unicron, Rodimus, Galvatron, Cyclonus, and Scourge all in the span of a year.
Now granted, Unicron wasn't testing the waters for anything else but Haslab itself. Hasbro would always make new 86 figures because we're trapped in the perpetual cycle of 84-86 so that's a very different story from Star Saber.
Sabrblade wrote:No love for Primus' sister, Gaea, the original Earth-former.
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:The Takara Series characters don't. If this HasLab project was testing reception to the Takara Series, then why start with the third series and not the first?
Jelze Bunnycat wrote:Victory
- Star Saber
- Victory Leo
- Road Caesar
- Landcross
- Galaxy Shuttle
- Deathsaurus
- Liokaiser, who's has a CW release
Nuclearxpotato wrote:Jelze Bunnycat wrote:Victory
- Star Saber
- Victory Leo
- Road Caesar
- Landcross
- Galaxy Shuttle
- Deathsaurus
- Liokaiser, who's has a CW release
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't every main release completely new or at least moderately retooled from Hasbro's toyline? The only shared figures I can remember are the Crossformers who were retooled from their Western counterparts.
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I'd like to believe this is a sign we are Finally moving on, beyond Sunbow-G1. But I just don't see Hasbro cutting that cord.
ZeroWolf wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I'd like to believe this is a sign we are Finally moving on, beyond Sunbow-G1. But I just don't see Hasbro cutting that cord.
Given what leakers have proposed, that future generations lines will be 50-50 on G1 content...yeah they're going to keep tapping that well.
Jelze Bunnycat wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I'd like to believe this is a sign we are Finally moving on, beyond Sunbow-G1. But I just don't see Hasbro cutting that cord.
Given what leakers have proposed, that future generations lines will be 50-50 on G1 content...yeah they're going to keep tapping that well.
... Like any other company would do when reviving a franchise: stick with the original, ignore the sequels and side stories.
o.supreme wrote:Cutting the head off a successful franchise is never a good idea. We've seen what happens when you start telling older fans "we don't need you anymore" and it's never good.
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:o.supreme wrote:Cutting the head off a successful franchise is never a good idea. We've seen what happens when you start telling older fans "we don't need you anymore" and it's never good.
I dunno, I don't think it's really about cutting off the head, as moving forward with the times. Beast Wars was effectively that take and it paid off.
There are always new fans, after all. Old fans tend to get too proprietary also. Which is problematic in itself. For example, there was an art piece on Social Media - a dual portrait of G1 Megatron & Galvatron. I'm paraphrasing the exact quote but one person commented that one character made the franchise. The other killed the franchise. The new characters didn't kill the franchise, that's not how that works. The fans did.
He-Man ran foul of clinging onto the old fanbase at the cost of new one. This is why MOTU went from one of the biggest brand names of it's day, to being referred to as "an 80's property", as a throwback term. It has never regained the prominence it had and likely never will.
In contrast, TMNT has always rolled with the times. The basics are still there, but it has never been the same. Embracing fans new and old.
Meanwhile, Marvel & DC for years, have prioritised new fans over old. There was an old line that fan forums always used to band around as gospel. That Marvel would sooner push 10 old fans off a cliff, if it got them 10 new ones. Which still persists to this day. As the MCU is largely based around the source material of the past 20 years and rarely anything before it.
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:cutting off the head, as moving forward with the times. Beast Wars was effectively that take and it paid off.
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:There are always new fans, after all. Old fans tend to get too proprietary...He-Man ran foul of clinging onto the old fanbase at the cost of new one. This is why MOTU went from one of the biggest brand names of it's day, to being referred to as "an 80's property", as a throwback term. It has never regained the prominence it had and likely never will.
AllNewSuperRobot wrote: In contrast, TMNT has always rolled with the times. The basics are still there, but it has never been the same. Embracing fans new and old.
Meanwhile, Marvel & DC for years, have prioritised new fans over old. There was an old line that fan forums always used to band around as gospel. That Marvel would sooner push 10 old fans off a cliff, if it got them 10 new ones. Which still persists to this day. As the MCU is largely based around the source material of the past 20 years and rarely anything before it.
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