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I'd say that that's a fitting release timing. But I don't think they were expecting that anniversary to be their source of hype for the funding campaign. If they were, they certainly didn't act like it.Sabrblade wrote:What about the other notion of 2021 (the year in which HasLab Unicron will be released) being the 35th anniversary of TFTM?ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Hopefully.
I'll say it before and I'll say again: The performance with Unicron really does smack of them relying on the Unicron-focused 6th Bayformer movie to generate hype, and frantically fumbling about when that rug got pulled out from under their feet.
You really think it's that illogical to see a connection-between:Gauntlet101010 wrote:Connecting this Unicron to TLK's version is seeing patters where none exist. There's just nothing in common between the two of them.
I think Hasbro was relying on the "wow" factor too much. But that's about it.
I, um, don't think you quite got the point I'm making. Let me try to clarify...Gauntlet101010 wrote:I suppose them all being Headmasters on an anniversary makes sense. But they were all Targetmasters too, so it's a lateral move in many ways. And then there's all the characters who weren't in the movie also in the line.
Here's the first part, separated to make it clear what anniversary I'm talking about.ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Although speaking of anniversaries of The Transformers: The Movie...
Here, I'm talking about two things:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Some people wondered why we got Hot Rod, Kup, Blurr, Galvatron, Scourge, Wheelie, and another Arcee (albeit as an exclusive retool based on "The Rebirth") during the Headmaster-oriented Titans Return.
And here I'm saying that it's because said neo-Headmaster line was doubling as a TFTM 30th Anniversary line. Which, due to timing, it was - Titans Return launched in 2016, 30 years after the movie.ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I wonder if they considered that that line was pulling double-duty as a 30th Anniversary line for the movie.
And here I'm saying that it's because said neo-Headmaster line was doubling as a TFTM 30th Anniversary line. Which, due to timing, it was - Titans Return launched in 2016, 30 years after the movie.
You really think it's that illogical to see a connection-between:
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I don't think it's really fair to say "There's just nothing in common between the two of them".
...You know what? Considering I explicitly said I think they were relying on the sixth movie, as in the TLK SEQUEL that was supposed to come out last year, and you keep saying "TLK" I'm now thoroughly convinced you're just skimming my posts.Gauntlet101010 wrote:]You really think it's that illogical to see a connection-between:
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I don't think it's really fair to say "There's just nothing in common between the two of them".
I wouldn't call it "illogical." But it's always going on.
Unicron is just always there. If he isn't a new toy he's in a cartoon. If it's not the cartoon it's the comics. He's just never gone for long. So, while you're not being illogical, I just don't think that the Haslabs people were relying on any word of mouth from TLK. Especially when TLK's version is so radically different from what they were making.
Alright, alright. I just got frustrated because I was clearly talking about the TLK sequel and Gauntlet kept responding as if I was talking about TLK.Rodimus Prime wrote:Okay Zelda, calm down. Some people just won't see things the way you do.
Well, from what I understand, when the third Wahlberg movie was slated for 2019 (I seem to recall an article announcing that) there was no Bumblebee movie; they basically did the 2018 Bumblebee prequelrebootwhatever (that, through its GEEWUN worship, mangles the already-shaky continuity so bad that Kurtzman, Orci, and Kruger look like perfect continuity-custodians by comparison) instead of the TLK sequel. Which is a big part of why I hate it so much.Rodimus Prime wrote:And was the TLK sequel really going to come out less than a year after the Bee movie? It would have been a financial failure. I think a lot of people were getting burned out on Bayverse and if the Bee movie wasn't so different in its tone and had some G1 goodness in it, it would have flopped as well.
No, it's Spielberg's.Rodimus Prime wrote:Personally, I would have preferred the sequel to TLK instead of the Bee movie. Even though I think the Wahlberg movies were a step down from the 1st trilogy. Not Mark's fault.
That development lead time on the HasLab figure is part of why I think they would have been expecting the 6th Bay film to build Unicron hype for them, and thus didn't have an independent PR plan prepared.Rodimus Prime wrote:To be on topic, though, I also have to say that if there was a TLK sequel, it might have served as a hype to the HasLab figure, but that had to be in the works for quite a while before the fate of the 6th Bay film was decided.
...You know what? Considering I explicitly said I think they were relying on the sixth movie, as in the TLK SEQUEL that was supposed to come out last year, and you keep saying "TLK" I'm now thoroughly convinced you're just skimming my posts.
Wording is important, considering that in your last post you talked as if I was saying TLK itself was supposed to hype HasLab Unicron; that's what made me think you were skimming.Gauntlet101010 wrote:...You know what? Considering I explicitly said I think they were relying on the sixth movie, as in the TLK SEQUEL that was supposed to come out last year, and you keep saying "TLK" I'm now thoroughly convinced you're just skimming my posts.
I did read your posts, but it's still TLK's Unicron. Would you rather I say Bayverse Unicron? It amounts to the same thing, doesn't it?
I think you need to respond to the spirit of the argument more than the wording, man.
My response to that is: that form is not always a wide-release theatrical motion picture, with all the attendant marketing fanfare thereof. He may often have some level of fictional or toyline presence, but A FREAKING MOVIE is a substantially bigger presence.Gauntlet101010 wrote:My response to your points about timing is that Unicron is always around, in some form.
Well, first of all, Six Shot being in the line ties in with it being a Headmaster line considering that on both sides of the Pacific he joined the story and toyline at the same time as they did, ditto for the Monsterbots and Targetmasters and Clones.Gauntlet101010 wrote:Same goes for movie related characters.
So, you might have a point relating to Titans Return. Maybe. But there's also a lot of characters in the line including Six Shot and Octane - you're just focusing on on the characters that support your point. It might be relating directly to the movie or it might relate to everything post seasons 1 - 2 ... which would include not only the movie characters, but also characters like Six Shot, Overlord, Pretenders, etc.
Well, first off, with the ending of TLK the sequel would have a reeeeally hard time being about anything other than UnicronGauntlet101010 wrote:But I think it's far shakier on Unicron's promotion depending on TLK's sequel. That seems far more speculative (what the movie's about, the release date, Unicron's involvement). There's no need to get mad. I get your point. I just don't agree with your interpretation.
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Wording is important, considering that in your last post you talked as if I was saying TLK itself was supposed to hype HasLab Unicron; that's what made me think you were skimming.
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In the sequel we would presumably have seen him awake and talking and appearing in robot mode
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Well, first off, with the ending of TLK the sequel would have a reeeeally hard time being about anything other than Unicron![]()
My response to that is: that form is not always a wide-release theatrical motion picture, with all the attendant marketing fanfare thereof. He may often have some level of fictional or toyline presence, but A FREAKING MOVIE is a substantially bigger presence.
I focus on the movie characters because they are the ones people most strongly questioned the presence of; you do remember all the wailing and gnashing of teeth over them being included in the Headmaster-centric line and thereby becoming Headmasters, right?
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Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
Deadput wrote:Awwwww kitty!
11/10 best Transformers figure ever made.
Bounti76 wrote:Deadput wrote:Awwwww kitty!
11/10 best Transformers figure ever made.
I had to include those, because wasn't the Internet made for looking at cat pictures and arguing with strangers?
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
Deadput wrote:Bounti76 wrote:Deadput wrote:Awwwww kitty!
11/10 best Transformers figure ever made.
I had to include those, because wasn't the Internet made for looking at cat pictures and arguing with strangers?
Indeed, cat pictures never fail to make me happy and then incredibly sad because cats are not immortal
Emerje wrote:Well that confirms one fear. Not only is it not getting a cool full color box, but the cardboard box is the shipping box. Not that the box is going to be a great display piece given it's size, but I'm keeping the box and would rather it didn't have labels, stamps, marker, dirt and dents all over it. Even Selects figures don't ship in their cardboard packaging.
Emerje
Emerje wrote:Well that confirms one fear. Not only is it not getting a cool full color box, but the cardboard box is the shipping box. Not that the box is going to be a great display piece given it's size, but I'm keeping the box and would rather it didn't have labels, stamps, marker, dirt and dents all over it. Even Selects figures don't ship in their cardboard packaging.
Emerje
YRQRM0 wrote:Personally I like the cardboard boxes for this and the generations selects figures lately. I know that plastic toys aren't exactly great for the environment to begin with, but if it minimizes waste at all I think it's nice. We still have in-store packages which will look nice as long as they're sold in stores.
Bounti76 wrote:Emerje wrote:Well that confirms one fear. Not only is it not getting a cool full color box, but the cardboard box is the shipping box. Not that the box is going to be a great display piece given it's size, but I'm keeping the box and would rather it didn't have labels, stamps, marker, dirt and dents all over it. Even Selects figures don't ship in their cardboard packaging.
Emerje
I don't recall it saying anywhere that the cardboard box would be the only box. It's possible that it'll be shipped inside a plain mailer. Printing a box that big in full color would probably have been prohibitively expensive.
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