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Does anyone think there will eventually be a market for Aerial Bots that scale with Maketoys Giant and Fansproject Menasor?

There seems to be 2 different sizes that are going on with combiners....

warzon3 wrote:Does anyone think there will eventually be a market for Aerial Bots that scale with Maketoys Giant and Fansproject Menasor?

There seems to be 2 different sizes that are going on with combiners....

Not sure myself. There have been plenty of people who collect the smaller scale combiners saying they are happy with the FP upgraded Energon set and plenty who want something a tad bit bigger so that Not-Superion is a more similar height to the others.

Maybe once the rest of the combiners have been done in the smaller scale more will want an updated Superion and it wont be as much of a risk

I wouldn't mind a new Superion in the FP/MT scale. I was never able to grab the RotF set and upgrade kit, so I'm without a Superion.

Arctorro wrote:

warzon3 wrote:Does anyone think there will eventually be a market for Aerial Bots that scale with Maketoys Giant and Fansproject Menasor?

There seems to be 2 different sizes that are going on with combiners....

Not sure myself. There have been plenty of people who collect the smaller scale combiners saying they are happy with the FP upgraded Energon set and plenty who want something a tad bit bigger so that Not-Superion is a more similar height to the others.

Maybe once the rest of the combiners have been done in the smaller scale more will want an updated Superion and it wont be as much of a risk

Midnight_Fox wrote:I wouldn't mind a new Superion in the FP/MT scale. I was never able to grab the RotF set and upgrade kit, so I'm without a Superion.

The FP & MK combiners are not small scale,they are regular scale.
Six deluxe sized MK Constructicons are bigger than the original 1985 Hasbro Constructicons toys that were legion or commander sized.
The 1985 Stuniticons cars were legion sized while the FP Stunticons are Five inches & one quarter inch away from being deluxe size. 1985 Motormaster was deluxe size while FP Motormaster is a big voyager sized toy. With the second trailer,FP Motormaster is Super sized.

The TFC & Warbotron combiners are extreme oversized. as some of them are voyager sized while others are ultra sized. These toys are oversized because the team members don't fit in with other TF toys that were made in the past Twelve years as far as scale goes,

I have ROTF Superion,I didn't feel it needed the FP add on accessories to make it complete. Had FP created two new team members,With accessories pieces,I would have bought them. I have the ROTF Bruticus. I bought the FP Two team members for bruticus.

Did anyone ever ask or did FP explain why they had no interest in making team members for ROTF Superion & Classics Devastator.

If FP or MP makes a complete set of Five toys for Superion,I'd probably buy it.

While TFC Superion looks great. I would have preferred more jet kibble was visible on the front part of superion's lower legs.

Currently,I don't feel the need to buy any 3rd party superions or Bruticus's. Because the Two Hasbro Energon movie versions are more than decent.

I suspect the TF4 toy line will create Two combiners for Superion & Menasor. So the chances of getting more decent Hasbro retail combiners increase.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:

Arctorro wrote:

warzon3 wrote:Does anyone think there will eventually be a market for Aerial Bots that scale with Maketoys Giant and Fansproject Menasor?

There seems to be 2 different sizes that are going on with combiners....

Not sure myself. There have been plenty of people who collect the smaller scale combiners saying they are happy with the FP upgraded Energon set and plenty who want something a tad bit bigger so that Not-Superion is a more similar height to the others.

Maybe once the rest of the combiners have been done in the smaller scale more will want an updated Superion and it wont be as much of a risk

Midnight_Fox wrote:I wouldn't mind a new Superion in the FP/MT scale. I was never able to grab the RotF set and upgrade kit, so I'm without a Superion.

The FP & MK combiners are not small scale,they are regular scale.
Six deluxe sized MK Constructicons are bigger than the original 1985 Hasbro Constructicons toys that were legion or commander sized.
blahblahblah stupidstupidstupid blahblahblah

That's as far as I got before my daily tolerance for stupid ran out (can also blame X for that ).

You can't compare 1980's toys to the modern day What FP and MT are doing isn't "regular" scale. We have two different scale sizes being done and the FP/MT version is the smaller of the two. The TFC/MMC scale is perfectly sized for a modern classics collection because the individual bot modes are a similar size to the other figures and the combined modes tower over the others like in the cartoon.

You may prefer the smaller scale, but that doesn't make it the regular one

Arctorro wrote:

Tsutsukakushi wrote:

Arctorro wrote:

warzon3 wrote:Does anyone think there will eventually be a market for Aerial Bots that scale with Maketoys Giant and Fansproject Menasor?

There seems to be 2 different sizes that are going on with combiners....

Not sure myself. There have been plenty of people who collect the smaller scale combiners saying they are happy with the FP upgraded Energon set and plenty who want something a tad bit bigger so that Not-Superion is a more similar height to the others.

Maybe once the rest of the combiners have been done in the smaller scale more will want an updated Superion and it wont be as much of a risk

Midnight_Fox wrote:I wouldn't mind a new Superion in the FP/MT scale. I was never able to grab the RotF set and upgrade kit, so I'm without a Superion.

The FP & MK combiners are not small scale,they are regular scale.
Six deluxe sized MK Constructicons are bigger than the original 1985 Hasbro Constructicons toys that were legion or commander sized.
blahblahblah stupidstupidstupid blahblahblah

That's as far as I got before my daily tolerance for stupid ran out (can also blame X for that ).

You can't compare 1980's toys to the modern day What FP and MT are doing isn't "regular" scale. We have two different scale sizes being done and the FP/MT version is the smaller of the two. The TFC/MMC scale is perfectly sized for a modern classics collection because the individual bot modes are a similar size to the other figures and the combined modes tower over the others like in the cartoon.

You may prefer the smaller scale, but that doesn't make it the regular one

I never mentioned the MMC Predacons scale as oversized. The 1986 Predacons were all voyager size. So MMC is doing the perfect regular scale.

Arctorro wrote: What FP and MT are doing isn't "regular" scale. We have two different scale sizes being done and the FP/MT version is the smaller of the two. The TFC/MMC scale is perfectly sized for a modern classics collection because the individual bot modes are a similar size to the other figures and the combined modes tower over the others like in the cartoon.

You may prefer the smaller scale, but that doesn't make it the regular one

Yep. FP/MT are the smaller of the two, but I disagree with your assertion that the TFC scale is perfectly sized. I find that their limb bots are too big as individual bots, but hey, that's personal preference for ya.

Plus, I'm not a fan of the TFC aesthetics. I don't think it looks as good with the Hasbro stuff, but see nothing "wrong" with collections that contain them. Collections should be personalized, and the day we all agree on definitive versions of every character for every collection is the day this hobby dies(we'll never need new figures again).

I'll also agree with your last sentence, but mostly cause there's no such thing as "regular scale". Hell, Hasbro can't even keep with a regular scale in a single line, much less across multiple lines like make up the average Classics style

Midnight_Fox wrote:

Arctorro wrote: What FP and MT are doing isn't "regular" scale. We have two different scale sizes being done and the FP/MT version is the smaller of the two. The TFC/MMC scale is perfectly sized for a modern classics collection because the individual bot modes are a similar size to the other figures and the combined modes tower over the others like in the cartoon.

You may prefer the smaller scale, but that doesn't make it the regular one

Yep. FP/MT are the smaller of the two, but I disagree with your assertion that the TFC scale is perfectly sized. I find that their limb bots are too big as individual bots, but hey, that's personal preference for ya.

Plus, I'm not a fan of the TFC aesthetics. I don't think it looks as good with the Hasbro stuff, but see nothing "wrong" with collections that contain them. Collections should be personalized, and the day we all agree on definitive versions of every character for every collection is the day this hobby dies(we'll never need new figures again).

I'll also agree with your last sentence, but mostly cause there's no such thing as "regular scale". Hell, Hasbro can't even keep with a regular scale in a single line, much less across multiple lines like make up the average Classics style

That's it exactly, go with what suits you best, and no preference is wrong

Since Beast Wars figures are coming, how about a show accurate gun for Universe Cheetor. And a show accurate gun for the upcoming Generations Ratrap to replace that clear one that comes with it. And a show accurate sword for Dinobot. Maybe someone can KO Dinobot's purple parts in show accurate blue to swap out and look more like the Henkei version.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:I never mentioned the MMC Predacons scale as oversized. The 1986 Predacons were all voyager size. So MMC is doing the perfect regular scale.

...totally missed the point.

You still haven't explained (or I just haven't seen you explain) why you think the original 80s toy size is how modern updates of those characters should be sized. Most people tend to go by the fiction - be they comics or cartoons - but using original toy scale just seems odd.

megatronus wrote:

Tsutsukakushi wrote:I never mentioned the MMC Predacons scale as oversized. The 1986 Predacons were all voyager size. So MMC is doing the perfect regular scale.

...totally missed the point.

You still haven't explained (or I just haven't seen you explain) why you think the original 80s toy size is how modern updates of those characters should be sized. Most people tend to go by the fiction - be they comics or cartoons - but using original toy scale just seems odd.

If were going by cartoons. Classics,Generations has set the scale for the 1980's cartoon seekers & bigger cars bots,which is deluxe size. In the 1980's TF cartoon series,the limbs combiners were the size of the seekers & the bigger cars bots,so they get new age deluxe toys to match the seekers & bigger cars bots scale. the combiner team leaders were bigger so they get new age voyager size toys. FP,MT & MMC are all doing a great job following this scale.

TFC & WB are not following any 1980's TF toy or cartoon scale for there combiners. as the toys don't scale right next to classics or generations toys. At best TFC & WB might be trying to scale there combiners with the MP TF seekers & MP voyager cars bots.

If were going by 1980's TF toy scale for new age combiners. Then Hasbro got this scale right with the Energon ROTF combiners. as the 1980's limbs combiners toys were commander size. while the 1980's team leaders toys were deluxe size.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:

megatronus wrote:

Tsutsukakushi wrote:I never mentioned the MMC Predacons scale as oversized. The 1986 Predacons were all voyager size. So MMC is doing the perfect regular scale.

...totally missed the point.

You still haven't explained (or I just haven't seen you explain) why you think the original 80s toy size is how modern updates of those characters should be sized. Most people tend to go by the fiction - be they comics or cartoons - but using original toy scale just seems odd.

If were going by cartoons. Classics,Generations has set the scale for the 1980's cartoon seekers & bigger cars bots,which is deluxe size. In the 1980's TF cartoon series,the limbs combiners were the size of the seekers & the bigger cars bots,so they get new age deluxe toys to match the seekers & bigger cars bots scale. the combiner team members were bigger so they get new age voyager size toys. FP,MT & MMC are all doing a great job following this scale.

TFC & WB are not following any 1980's TF toy or cartoon scale for there combiners. as the toys don't scale right next to classics or generations toys. At best TFC & WB might be trying to scale there combiners with the MP TF seekers & MP voyager cars bots.

If were going by 1980's TF toy scale for new age combiners. Then Hasbro got this scale right with the Energon ROTF combiners. as the 1980's limbs combiners toys were commander size. while the 1980's team leaders toys were deluxe size.

No, but - why??

Rated X wrote:Since Beast Wars figures are coming, how about a show accurate gun for Universe Cheetor. And a show accurate gun for the upcoming Generations Ratrap to replace that clear one that comes with it. And a show accurate sword for Dinobot. Maybe someone can KO Dinobot's purple parts in show accurate blue to swap out and look more like the Henkei version.

I suspect Hasbro did the clear weapons for 30th Rattrap. so the weapons wouldn't stick out like a sore thumb in each mode. Takara might use non-clear plastic for there version.

megatronus wrote:

Tsutsukakushi wrote:

megatronus wrote:

Tsutsukakushi wrote:I never mentioned the MMC Predacons scale as oversized. The 1986 Predacons were all voyager size. So MMC is doing the perfect regular scale.

...totally missed the point.

You still haven't explained (or I just haven't seen you explain) why you think the original 80s toy size is how modern updates of those characters should be sized. Most people tend to go by the fiction - be they comics or cartoons - but using original toy scale just seems odd.

If were going by cartoons. Classics,Generations has set the scale for the 1980's cartoon seekers & bigger cars bots,which is deluxe size. In the 1980's TF cartoon series,the limbs combiners were the size of the seekers & the bigger cars bots,so they get new age deluxe toys to match the seekers & bigger cars bots scale. the combiner team members were bigger so they get new age voyager size toys. FP,MT & MMC are all doing a great job following this scale.

TFC & WB are not following any 1980's TF toy or cartoon scale for there combiners. as the toys don't scale right next to classics or generations toys. At best TFC & WB might be trying to scale there combiners with the MP TF seekers & MP voyager cars bots.

If were going by 1980's TF toy scale for new age combiners. Then Hasbro got this scale right with the Energon ROTF combiners. as the 1980's limbs combiners toys were commander size. while the 1980's team leaders toys were deluxe size.

No, but - why??

Why?

The bigger they make these 3rd party combiners the more they cost.

It's no fun Having 3rd party combiners team members. That can't mix & blend in with other classics & Generations toys.

I don't mind & I love 3rd party toys like Hexatron,Quakewave & Nova Lord. Because these guys deserve to be in MP scale. It's also a lot easier on the wallet buying one big 3rd party MP TF toy instead of buying Five big 3rd party MP TF combiners for almost $600.

At best TFC & WB are doing MP TF scale 3rd party combiners. I don't consider them classics generations scaled 3rd party combiners.

megatronus wrote:

Tsutsukakushi wrote:

megatronus wrote:

Tsutsukakushi wrote:I never mentioned the MMC Predacons scale as oversized. The 1986 Predacons were all voyager size. So MMC is doing the perfect regular scale.

...totally missed the point.

You still haven't explained (or I just haven't seen you explain) why you think the original 80s toy size is how modern updates of those characters should be sized. Most people tend to go by the fiction - be they comics or cartoons - but using original toy scale just seems odd.

If were going by cartoons. Classics,Generations has set the scale for the 1980's cartoon seekers & bigger cars bots,which is deluxe size. In the 1980's TF cartoon series,the limbs combiners were the size of the seekers & the bigger cars bots,so they get new age deluxe toys to match the seekers & bigger cars bots scale. the combiner team members were bigger so they get new age voyager size toys. FP,MT & MMC are all doing a great job following this scale.

TFC & WB are not following any 1980's TF toy or cartoon scale for there combiners. as the toys don't scale right next to classics or generations toys. At best TFC & WB might be trying to scale there combiners with the MP TF seekers & MP voyager cars bots.

If were going by 1980's TF toy scale for new age combiners. Then Hasbro got this scale right with the Energon ROTF combiners. as the 1980's limbs combiners toys were commander size. while the 1980's team leaders toys were deluxe size.

No, but - why??

Just do what I did and put him on your foes list so you can't see his posts, it'll make your life so much happier

Tsutsukakushi wrote:Why?

The bigger they make these 3rd party combiners the more they cost.

Okay... I'm following so far...

Tsutsukakushi wrote:It's no fun Having 3rd party combiners team members. That can't mix & blend in with other classics & Generations toys.

Nope, you lost me. If you want the toys to mix with Classics/Generations, it make ZERO sense to also want 3rd party figures to be in 1980's G1 toy scale.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:I don't mind & I love 3rd party toys like Hexatron,Quakewave & Nova Lord. Because these guys deserve to be in MP scale. It's also a lot easier on the wallet buying one big 3rd party MP TF toy instead of buying Five big 3rd party MP TF combiners for almost $600.

At best TFC & WB are doing MP TF scale 3rd party combiners. I don't consider them classics generations scaled 3rd party combiners.

Arctorro wrote:

megatonus wrote:No, but - why??

Just do what I did and put him on your foes list so you can't see his posts, it'll make your life so much happier

That's one way to do it.

I guess I'm just a glutton for punishment.

megatronus wrote: Nope, you lost me. If you want the toys to mix with Classics/Generations, it make ZERO sense to also want 3rd party figures to be in 1980's G1 toy scale. :

I never said I want new age TF toys to be in exact 1980's TF toy scale. The 1980's seekers & bigger cars bots measured in at around 4 inches tall. I don't want new age commander sized Hasbro or 3rd party toys for these characters. The 1980's Scramble city combiners limbs measure in around 3 inches tall & would be in Legion scale. I don't want legion scale scramble city combiners for new age 3rd party or classics TF toys versions.

What I'm looking for is a new age 3rd party TF scale that makes sense that can blend in well with Hasbro new age TF toy scale that was set for Classics Generations. Hasbro did a great job with classics Generations scale with blending in the 1980's toys & cartoon scale to create a scale that makes sense.

The reason I prefer the MT & FP combiners better than the TFC & WB combiners. Is that MT & FP barely went up a toy size or two & the team members can better blend in with Hasbro's Clasics Generations scaled TF toys.

The main reason I dislike the TFC & WB combiners. Is due to these toys going up 4 to 5 sizes compared to the original scale. you can't just go from commander scale for the limbs bots to ultra scale & expect some fans not to care & complain. going up a size or two is less noticeable thus more care less. Also these TFC & WB combiners teams members are so big,they just don't fit in with any Hasbro Classics Generations toys scale. Having 3rd party scramble city limbs bots being voyager or ultra sized while the Hasbro classics seekers & bigger cars bots are deluxe scale. means these toys don't blend in well.

megatronus wrote:

Arctorro wrote:

megatonus wrote:No, but - why??

Just do what I did and put him on your foes list so you can't see his posts, it'll make your life so much happier

That's one way to do it.

I guess I'm just a glutton for punishment.

I can understand that. Besides, it is a lot more fun watching others deal with it all now instead of me, have fun

xyl360 wrote:I've said it before and I'll say it again: BEAST WARS!!!

The third parties are beating G1/Classics to death. Time for a new continuity.

I hope we're still getting this from PerfectEffect...

synapse wrote:

xyl360 wrote:I've said it before and I'll say it again: BEAST WARS!!!

The third parties are beating G1/Classics to death. Time for a new continuity.

I hope we're still getting this from PerfectEffect...

I heard about this but never saw any images. Does anyone know what size this is.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:I heard about this but never saw any images. Does anyone know what size this is.

No info besides those teasers that I know of.

synapse wrote:

xyl360 wrote:I've said it before and I'll say it again: BEAST WARS!!!

The third parties are beating G1/Classics to death. Time for a new continuity.

I hope we're still getting this from PerfectEffect...

Wow...what a way to totally discard everything that makes their first announcement attractive. I really liked the Zoid-ish look the first few teasers had.

guarayakha wrote:Wow...what a way to totally discard everything that makes their first announcement attractive. I really liked the Zoid-ish look the first few teasers had.

You realize that's the very same pic I posted just a few minutes ago (as you quoted my whole comment), don't you

synapse wrote:

guarayakha wrote:Wow...what a way to totally discard everything that makes their first announcement attractive. I really liked the Zoid-ish look the first few teasers had.

You realize that's the very same pic I posted just a few minutes ago (as you quoted my whole comment), don't you

It showed up as "NO IMAGE" on my end, so I didn't know, lol