Tammuz wrote:the reason why Is the issue I'm discussing, I'm arguing against Invading IRAN, not IRAQ, becuase i completely disagree that the UK should invade a country over them taking hostages from an undefined region that may or may not in fact be there territory, JUST to save Face.
You don't necessarily have to invade Iran to cripple it. I believe in my OP I stated very clearly that as soon the sailors and marines hit home shore I would have vaporized Iran's refinery. This isn't about saving face, this about sending a clear message to your enemy that you're not going to tolerate hostage taking. If Iran didn't back down I would have started crippling their infrastructure. The beauty of an air campaign like that is it will probably give the Iranian dissidents the opportunity they need to overthrow the government.
That is well within the capability of Her Majesty's armed forces.
The list of the acts committed by our enemy I provided was to establish that they have absolutely no regard for human life and are therefore completely irrational.
i'm fairly sure i've heard at least one anti-american terrorist organisation say something very similiar
Okay, you visit known terrorist websites. Yeah.
your not fighting against a nation, your fighting against an idea, and the problem is everytime you use force you just play into the "irrational terrorists" hands, every time you detain one for for questioning, you just prove to them that their beleifs are right. Us invading iran would just be a massive confirmation of their Ideology.
Iraq is nation. Iran is a nation. People come from somewhere, not no where. Despite the fact their religion unifies them against a common enemy doesn't negate the fact terrorists can't operate without government cooperation and sponsors who, if isn't a state itself, is someone in a state.
I can prove thats existence just as well as you think you can disprove it.
Cute, but I don't care about proving it, disproving it, or changing their beliefs about the afterlife.
oh the irony that both you use your enemies appeal to absolute good as authority to wage war as criticism of there rational ability when just a few post earlier you yourself used the ver same argument to lend credence to your point of view
I never once mentioned any absolute good or evil forces. You injecting religious connotations into the terms and I'm guessing you probably assume I'm super Christian at this point (which isn't the case, I'm not a religious man and I've never been).
All I said was that I know good from evil and I can recognize them when I see them.