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Merc With A Mouth wrote:lolwut ?

Not quite sure what you're trying to achieve there, unless it's
a)- Proving to everyone that Primehate ain't exactly a great bot (which I already knew)
and
b)- You can copy and paste links from missions that I just happened to have bots in.

Overhaulimus wrote:I'm new here and to the HMW game.

So far I'm having fun playing.

this is good

EDIT: Oops. Wrong thread.

Rat Convoy wrote:BEST. MISSION LOG. EVAR.

http://www.seibertron.com/heavymetalwar ... _id=208160

At 10:47, every one of the four other Maximals in the mission was down, while all six Decepticons were still active. Velocity went on to eliminate the entire Decepticon team by himself, earning 985 XP, my biggest haul yet.

Awesome.

he's a S.M.A.G.!

Burn wrote:

Merc With A Mouth wrote:lolwut ?

Not quite sure what you're trying to achieve there, unless it's
a)- Proving to everyone that Primehate ain't exactly a great bot (which I already knew)
and
b)- You can copy and paste links from missions that I just happened to have bots in.

It's more or less my way of saying that the Predacons aren't as inferior as you seem to think, and that your team isn't that much better then anyone Else's including Red's. More or less like saying "No u".

Even though there was what, one example of a Predacon mission there?

Oh and kindly point me in the direction of where i've said my current team is better than anyone's. I know all too well they're not and I also know they never will be.

Besides, i'm running a 76% mission success rate and it's certaintly not because i'm entering outnumbered missions and going for the easy victory. The majority of missions I join tend to have a full enemy side. And heck, sometimes I even come out as top bot! Suffice to say, i'm quite happy with how they're performing. They're not the best in the game, but they're pulling their weight quite nicely.

Something that might help people think about the beast factions more as transformers then fleshies... There is no flesh on them, they're made up of nanomachines which can mimic the flesh of other creatures.

Absolute Zero wrote:Something that might help people think about the beast factions more as transformers then fleshies... There is no flesh on them, they're made up of nanomachines which can mimic the flesh of other creatures.

Where are you getting that from?

I was always under the impression that the season 1 Beast Warriors were covered in biological material, and that they merged with it more and more with successive mutations.

The MTMTE profiles for the Pretender shells (which in Marvel at least were biologically derived - they required DNA after all) even suggested that the idea of covering a Transformer in a layer of flesh would eventually give rise to the Max/Pred approach to Beast Modes.

Otherwise, how could their beast modes take over in Call of the Wild (I think that was the episode), and how could they bring back organic material to Cybertron in Beast Machines?

I think what he meant was that nanomachines could be the HMW spin on it, so it seems less icky and silly than a lot of geewunners consider the notion of actual organic flesh transformers to be.

Caelus wrote:

Absolute Zero wrote:Something that might help people think about the beast factions more as transformers then fleshies... There is no flesh on them, they're made up of nanomachines which can mimic the flesh of other creatures.

Where are you getting that from?

I was always under the impression that the season 1 Beast Warriors were covered in biological material, and that they merged with it more and more with successive mutations.

The MTMTE profiles for the Pretender shells (which in Marvel at least were biologically derived - they required DNA after all) even suggested that the idea of covering a Transformer in a layer of flesh would eventually give rise to the Max/Pred approach to Beast Modes.

Otherwise, how could their beast modes take over in Call of the Wild (I think that was the episode), and how could they bring back organic material to Cybertron in Beast Machines?

I've read pretty much everything I can on Protoforms. They're a basic robotic chassis with a liquidmetalynanobot soup. And while nanobots can make pretty much anything they want, it makes more sense that it'd be a quasi-organic material that makes up their beast form, since it's still armor in robot mode, or armorish, and if they're supposed to be more energy efficient, then why waste energy remaking organic material into metal every time ya transform? (makes more sense in a 'giant alien sentient robot' sort of way)

The animal instincts could be the same as the Predacons on Beest in, I believe it was DW.

Same way Primal was reformated back into a ape from Optimal Optimus, who was definetly not organic.

Makes more sense then Sparkplug using a crescent wrench to fix Optimus Prime in the G1 cartoon.

Makes as much sense as anything with all the retconning going on everytime a new series is written for Gen 1 or Beast Wars.

And as Jeep said, looking for a way to make them more interesting to people in HMW. I don't mean to take away from their uniqueness, but given the general unitelligent racism that goes on against the beast wars characters, something needs to be figured out. Hell, I'm not even sure if we're using the BW1 sizes, or if they're supposed to be bigger in HMW. I've seen both mentioned in bios and profiles.

Absolute Zero wrote:I've read pretty much everything I can on Protoforms. They're a basic robotic chassis with a liquidmetalynanobot soup.

That still doesn't answer my question of where you're getting this from. Was this in the BW-MtMtE series?

And while nanobots can make pretty much anything they want, it makes more sense that it'd be a quasi-organic material that makes up their beast form, since it's still armor in robot mode, or armorish.

The episode that introduces Inferno suggests that the fleshy coating takes damage like flesh - Tigatron's beast parts bruise and bleed when Megatron beats the crap out of him.

Some of the bios suggested that there was armor integrated into their skin, but I always took that to be a cyborg thing.

If they're supposed to be more energy efficient, then why waste energy remaking organic material into metal every time ya transform? (makes more sense in a 'giant alien sentient robot' sort of way)

I'm still unconvinced that the flesh does a Colossus. It appears to have the same properties in both modes.

The animal instincts could be the same as the Predacons on Beest in, I believe it was DW.

If you're referring to the Predacons that Megatron tamed before he returned to Cybertron, IIRC, they were lost in a jungle after having their memories damaged. That's not in anyway similar to what happened in Beast Wars.

Same way Primal was reformated back into a ape from Optimal Optimus, who was definetly not organic.

Optimal had organic parts - fur is clearly visible in patches on his arms, plus, the show and the promotional materials surrounding it imply that the Transmetal's body is organic to a certain extent, it's just more thoroughly blended with the bot-parts.

And as Jeep said, looking for a way to make them more interesting to people in HMW. I don't mean to take away from their uniqueness, but given the general unitelligent racism that goes on against the beast wars characters, something needs to be figured out.

I don't think it's really fair to butcher the series to satisfy the geewunners, and indulging "racism" (strong word for a rather trivial debate) doesn't really seem like a solution.

And if you take away the novelty that is cyborganics, then the Maximals and Predacons don't really have anything setting them apart from the Bots and Cons other than the idea that they're more energy efficient, and on average, presumably smaller. Woohoo.

Plus, what about all the Maximal/Predacon players that have Beast Machines technorganic characters. They definitely don't fit the solid-metal-mold.

Hell, I'm not even sure if we're using the BW1 sizes, or if they're supposed to be bigger in HMW. I've seen both mentioned in bios and profiles.

Sizes within both shows varied wildly - I think it's probably safe to say that BW Rampage was bigger than G1 Rumble - and we never saw any Maximals or Predacons with -big- alternate modes (Blue Whale, Seismosaurus, Liopleurodon), so I never really saw that as an issue.


And shouldn't this stuff be left up to the players themselves to decide when writing their bios anyway? What exactly is the goal of this debate?


Edit: Of course, it's worth bearing in mind that, preBM, only those Maximals/Predacons that would have left Cybertron and scanned organic lifeforms for their alt-modes would have any organic parts. And heck, to go by the Japanese series Maximal and Predacon are arbitrary badges, with a good number of transformers in both factions actually being indistinguishable from Autobots and Decepticons.

Unfortunatly I was reading it on Wiki, but since they don't say where they got the info from, it is kinda suspect as everything is on the internet.

Nothing said the Predacons memories were damaged, but even if they were, that's not nessicarily going to revert them to instictual behavior. People with amnesia don't go around throwing poo at people like apes.

Primal's pauldrons in his first form certainly looked more armoristic then flesh when he was in robot mode, and they formed from the shoulder flesh of the ape.

I don't know. I'm simply trying to find a way that people can feel better about choosing the beast wars factions.

And I need to stop making up words... armoristic? Really?

Absolute Zero wrote:Nothing said the Predacons memories were damaged, but even if they were, that's not nessicarily going to revert them to instictual behavior. People with amnesia don't go around throwing poo at people like apes.

I didn't mean to imply that amnesia caused people to revert to a feral state, I was suggesting that being completely submerged in a jungle setting after serious mental trauma would cause them to adopt the mentality of the creatures around them, in lieu of having any solid identities of their own. Unfortunately, with DW's termination we only saw them twice(?) after WWi, and the details were left pretty sketchy IIRC.

Primal's pauldrons in his first form certainly looked more armoristic then flesh when he was in robot mode, and they formed from the shoulder flesh of the ape.

Hm, always looked like armored pauldrons with flesh coated over them to me. Of course, the original animation models didn't exactly have the best texturing in the history of CG, so it's also possible that they were supposed to be cardboard that Rhinox had painted to look furry. Or maybe he superglued felt to them.

And I need to stop making up words... armoristic? Really?

Bah, language wouldn't exist if someone didn't make up words once and a while.

Burn wrote: The majority of missions I join tend to have a full enemy side.

unlike earlier this year