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Autobot032 wrote:

Jacob P. Galvatron wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:Optimus and the others never used it on Jazz because as far as they knew, the cube was destroyed. Until the events in ROTF, I don't think they had any idea that the cube splinters could do anything much.

It wasn't used on Jazz because his body wouldn't function if they tried it.
He was torn in half. His spark chamber was destroyed.

We can't assume that that's the reason. If the Allspark could reactivate Megatron, give a body to the disembodied head of Frenzy, activate lifeless technology into new beings (Dispensor, Ejector, and the like...), then it could definitely revive Jazz. The Autobots didn't know it was capable of doing so as a shard, or Prime knows it's made of pure evil, or something.

I'm starting to think it can create evil, restore pre-existing good, and that's about it. Beyond that, the whole danged thing makes no sense.

Ok, lets break this down since people seem be kicking this without looking at it...

Instance one...Frenzy gets his entire body back, the All spark was whole as well.

Instance two..Sam bumps into the car and stuff comes to life... All spark was whole, the radius of the effect was quite large as well. Whether the transformed devices are inheritly evil due to being reverse engineered from Megatron himself or simply feral and untrained is never explained. But new lifeforms seem be violent which Prime said, Were we so different? to Ironhide, suggesting may be how all new lifeform from theirs responses.

Instance Three...Sam uses the allspark on megatron.. it is simply too much power for one being to contain, and fries him.


Instance Four...Rotf...a small splinter transforms Sam's kitchen..not the entire house into wild transformers. The area of effect was much smaller than the entire Allspark, as it probably have effected his whole house. Reasoning, smaller pieces are less powerful.

Instance five...Megatron's revival, While it was a good eighth of the Allspark, which fans were speculating it could be used revive Jazz, it was no powerful enough alone to fix Megatron as the whole Allspark rebuild Frenzy completely in seconds. Why they still needed parts then to fix Megatron. The remainant piece seem be able to convert to enough juice repower megatron, as if the whole thing was powerful enough restore an entire planet, that a decent sized piece could revive a single transformer.

The Autobots themselves didn't know this though, while Decepticons had the Fallen to consult for knowledge of the Allspark. They didnt evne know about the Fallen as he was likely a black mark on history of cyerbtron the elders didnt care talk about. Prime and autobots likely valued the allspark too much use it on jazz anyways since it contained their history. Again they didn't know it was absorbed into Sam as its new host either.

Instance Six... Reviving Jetfire, jetfire wasn't dead, simply in stasis lock. Giving him enoguh juice operate is a much different feat than giving him enough juice come back to life. As we've seen the pieces of the Allspark get weaker the smaller they become. The piece did not restore Jetfire to perfect working order either, as he still was running so so. (like his transformation got jammed, and his weapons went backwards heh.)


So given info we've seen the larger the peices of the Allspark, the more power it has, and the smaller it gets the weaker it becomes. This why the splinters didn't revive Prime. It wasn't a plothole in that regard, it just wasn't explained in full detail, but the data was consistent across both films to draw a reasonable conclusion from it all if you truly wish to nitpick.

You know I just finished reading the novel version of the movie. And there are some very large departures from the finished film. After doing some research I discovered the novel is pulled on earlier version of the script the author had to work with. If thats the case I have to say many of the problems with the film have to be placed on the shoulders of the director and editor.

There are still some issues with negating some the established lore of the first film. However there lot less sexual and bathroom humor for one, and honestly wasn't missed. The Fallen remains far more of a mystery until near the end. On interesting side note not directly related to the end Optimus is not actually 'killed' just put into a deep healing status or torpor. (Giving Ratchet bit more screen time I might add) Hence the need of the Matrix was to accelerate his healing. It was said he would heal eventually on his own but it would even with Ratchets help would take very 'long time' even to the Transformers whom live lives that span millions of years. Megatron abandons the Fallen after finding out the Fallen was just playing him. The Matrix is not blown up, Optimus recovers it from the machine and becomes fussed to him. (hankering back to the more traditional Matirx of former TF lore) I should note that when Sam uses the Matrix to revive Optimus the stuff the All Spark filled Sam's head with transfers from him to the Matrix and is bestowed to Optimus. The pacing is better in the book but still really character heavy for an action film.

The truth is as much as we all want our favorite characters involved in the movies the second TF movie is drowning in characters and sub-plots. It is also suffering from script that was not fully developed when filming actually started. It feels rushed and convoluted.

I would have kept things closer to how the novel read personally and with few other changes. I wouldn't have had the Matrix turn to dust it was a escalation of tension that was totally un-need and chewed up precious screen time. At that point Optimus was dead, his body soon to be under siege while uber-powerful fellow named the Fallen was about to activate a machine that would blow up our son oh and we already had the doubt that the Matrix might not work in bring Optimus back since it wasn't designed for said purpose. Honestly the 'pixie dusting' of the Matrix felt more like we didn't have the Matrix prop done and filmed the actor running around with a gym sock and didn't feel like fixing it so lets write the sock into the script.

At this juncture it is perfect time to write out the teenie boop love story, proceed with the serious issues that now is facing our world that now knows about the alien war that has come to our own 'shores' for better for worse we in it for real now. Do I think that happen.....right sure. But girl can dream can't she!

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