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Postby Agamemnon » Thu Sep 25, 2014 3:53 pm

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I've read some. The mystical things like the dead universe and such kinda drive me away. I like some of the character development.

I guess I just miss some of the G1 toon stories. (You know, like how Cyclonus came from Skywarp and Galvatron from Megs? Stuff like that. ;) )

I am sort of liking the Dark Cybertron comics that come with the toys...
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Agamemnon wrote:I've read some. The mystical things like the dead universe and such kinda drive me away. I like some of the character development.

I guess I just miss some of the G1 toon stories. (You know, like how Cyclonus came from Skywarp and Galvatron from Megs? Stuff like that. ;) )

I am sort of liking the Dark Cybertron comics that come with the toys...


Dark Cybertron is kind of a weak point of the new ongoing for me. More than meet the eyes Season one is the best! try to catch it on trade if you can. season two which is right now is pretty strong too.
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Postby megatronus » Thu Sep 25, 2014 4:07 pm

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Agamemnon wrote:I've read some. The mystical things like the dead universe and such kinda drive me away. I like some of the character development.

I guess I just miss some of the G1 toon stories. (You know, like how Cyclonus came from Skywarp and Galvatron from Megs? Stuff like that. ;) )

I am sort of liking the Dark Cybertron comics that come with the toys...


Dark Cybertron is kind of a weak point of the new ongoing for me. More than meet the eyes Season one is the best! try to catch it on trade if you can. season two which is right now is pretty strong too.

I've only read MTMTE trade paperbacks 1-5 (so basically through the Tyrest arc). It's all really good. Just haven't had the time to buy/read more stuff, unfortunately. But I'll get there eventually.
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Re: how does Hastaks 2015 combiners compare to FP Intimidator and TFC Uranos

Postby mooncake623 » Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:19 am

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Agamemnon wrote:I've read some. The mystical things like the dead universe and such kinda drive me away. I like some of the character development.

I guess I just miss some of the G1 toon stories. (You know, like how Cyclonus came from Skywarp and Galvatron from Megs? Stuff like that. ;) )

I am sort of liking the Dark Cybertron comics that come with the toys...


Dark Cybertron is kind of a weak point of the new ongoing for me. More than meet the eyes Season one is the best! try to catch it on trade if you can. season two which is right now is pretty strong too.

I've only read MTMTE trade paperbacks 1-5 (so basically through the Tyrest arc). It's all really good. Just haven't had the time to buy/read more stuff, unfortunately. But I'll get there eventually.


The Remain in Light (Tyrest arc) is my favorite! As for Dark Cybertron you can get all the comics with the deluxe toys that are coming out. Even though it seems like a giant Advertisement it is still pretty great and worth reading.
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Re: how does Hastaks 2015 combiners compare to FP Intimidator and TFC Uranos

Postby megatronus » Fri Sep 26, 2014 6:23 pm

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mooncake623 wrote:The Remain in Light (Tyrest arc) is my favorite! As for Dark Cybertron you can get all the comics with the deluxe toys that are coming out. Even though it seems like a giant Advertisement it is still pretty great and worth reading.

So the whole Dark Cybertron arc is included with the new figures? I have all the new deluxes except for the recently released Windblade/Crosscut/Jhiaxus/Nightbeat wave... is there a guide that tells you which comic is with which figure? Yes, I'm that lazy.
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Re: how does Hastaks 2015 combiners compare to FP Intimidator and TFC Uranos

Postby Agamemnon » Fri Sep 26, 2014 10:11 pm

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mooncake623 wrote:The Remain in Light (Tyrest arc) is my favorite! As for Dark Cybertron you can get all the comics with the deluxe toys that are coming out. Even though it seems like a giant Advertisement it is still pretty great and worth reading.

So the whole Dark Cybertron arc is included with the new figures? I have all the new deluxes except for the recently released Windblade/Crosscut/Jhiaxus/Nightbeat wave... is there a guide that tells you which comic is with which figure? Yes, I'm that lazy.

I can probably figure that out for you. Each comic has the cover art associated with the figure (even if the figure doesn't even make an appearance in the comic. I remember that happening with one of them, but I don't remember which.)

(Oh, and TFWiki or somewhere else probably has it, but I'm curious on what I have anyway, so I'll look. I'll see if I can post tonite yet or tomorrow morning.)
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Postby Henry921 » Sat Sep 27, 2014 9:17 pm

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Dark Cybertron #1 with Armada Starscream
Dark Cybertron #2 with Scoop
Dark Cybertron #3 with Skywarp
Dark Cybertron #4 with Mini-Con Assault Team/Ammonites
Dark Cybertron #5 with Rattrap
Dark Cybetron #6 with Tankor
Dark Cybertron #7 with Crosscut
Dark Cybertron #8 with Windblade
Dark Cybertron #9 with Nightbeat
Dark Cybertron #10 with Jhiaxus

Presumably, 11 and 12 will be with Chromia and Arcee.


The more recent four also seem to have some odd edits, with issues 7 and 8 having their beginning 4 pages stapled out of order near the end of the comic, as well as the expected removal of things like "shoot" or "kill" replaced with "blast" and "destroy".
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Re: how does Hastaks 2015 combiners compare to FP Intimidator and TFC Uranos

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Honestly, I like HasTak Menasor more than FP Intimidator. For one thing, the leg-bots actually form the legs rather than just attaching themselves to existing legs (which completely defeats the point of a combiner). For another, Motormaster finally does away with his ridiculous "Body is the whole goddamn trailer, the tractor only forms the feet" schtick (which throws the scale even more into chaos than it already is) and makes him a "conventional" truckformer. That said, the hands and feet are way too large, and I really wish they'd at least tried to integrate them into the individual robots- I mean, their legs are basically solid blocks, I'm sure they could have hidden a fist in there! And heck, feet are hardly difficult to implement- all you need is a flat surface and you're good to go.

With Superion, the CW version looks kinda crap and Uranos doesn't look much better. They both make no attempts to integrate their hands and feet at all (just leaving them off to the side in the individual modes) and both have spectacularly poopy central robots, consisting of an ugly fat block bolted underneath a jet with zero effort to reduce undercarriage junk. Uranos at least tried to make the chest-piece useful in the form of Phantom Ray...and then they released Wings of the Uranos which actually made him worse (replacing Phantom Ray with a piece of kibble). What is it with TFC and releasing great combiners and poopy addons? They did it to Hercules with the Rage of Hercules set (which completely destroyed his almost complete lack of partsforming by throwing in extra crap like separate shoulder pieces and forearms) and then they brought out WotU.

To be honest, for my Superion I might just go with the Energon set and the FP add-on. Or I might just have the Energon set "vanilla". It's the only version that doesn't seem to suffer from a horrendously bad central robot. Shame he's way too small (although to be fair, so is FP Bruticus, so that makes it a moot point).
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Re: how does Hastaks 2015 combiners compare to FP Intimidator and TFC Uranos

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Funny - I have the opposite reaction. I think FP Menasor is great, but would easily choose CW Superion over Uranos.

I'm surprised at how angry you get at silly things like the add on sets. The prevailing opinion is that Wings really completed Uranos' look. And for Hercules, options are good, no? If you don't want to use the add-ons, then don't buy them. But there's no point in getting angry at them.

If you were taking the "why are they hitting us with add-ons instead of including those accessories from the get go" tack, I would be behind you there.
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Re: how does Hastaks 2015 combiners compare to FP Intimidator and TFC Uranos

Postby Evil Eye » Sun Oct 05, 2014 8:01 am

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megatronus wrote:Funny - I have the opposite reaction. I think FP Menasor is great, but would easily choose CW Superion over Uranos.

I'm surprised at how angry you get at silly things like the add on sets. The prevailing opinion is that Wings really completed Uranos' look. And for Hercules, options are good, no? If you don't want to use the add-ons, then don't buy them. But there's no point in getting angry at them.

If you were taking the "why are they hitting us with add-ons instead of including those accessories from the get go" tack, I would be behind you there.


Well with Hercules it just seems kind of pointless. From what I've seen of him he's pretty much perfect "vanilla". He also has the least amount of partsforming of just about any combiner, and the combined mode forearms engineering is just awesome. The RoH set...doesn't really add anything. If it replaced the transparent red weapons with more purple weapons (which would then also free up the transparent weapons for other figures) and just included the extra head, then yeah. It's the arm additions I don't really get. They ruin his near perfect transformation, and they really don't add much. It looks a bit nicer, but that's it.

With WotU, I agree it makes him look a bit better, but here's the thing. Looks aren't the only important part of a Transformer. As someone who enjoys fiddling with, constantly reposing and "playing with" (not in the way a kid would of course, but it's the only real analogy I can think of) my figures, and really enjoys good engineering, it just frustrates me. I think half the enjoyment of a Transformer comes from the engineering, mechanical design and the joy of seeing something transform into something completely different. The WotU set, and combiner kibble in general, somewhat cheapens that experience, basically cheating on the transformation. It goes from "5 Transformers who can combine into one giant robot!" into "5 Transformers who form a giant robot who is actually 50% parts completely unrelated to those robots". It just doesn't seem in the spirit of the thing. Also it makes the whole thing a lot less fun, as you're having to add a bunch of miscellaneous crap to the figure to make it look decent, rather than just transforming your 5 figures, connecting them and *BANG* giant robot.

TL,DR: Stuff like WotU, and combiner kibble in general, makes combiners look better but feel worse.

With CW Superion...I dunno, the figures just look way too blocky and clunky for my liking, especially Silverbolt. A team of jet-bots, to me at least, should be at least somewhat aerodynamic.

FP Menasor is a nice looking set, but there are 2 things putting me off: Motormaster (he looks good and he's well engineered, but I have never liked Motormaster's design, especially the scale shenanigans caused by his transformation) and the total redundancy of the leg-bots. I'll wait until CW Menasor comes out so I can compare them- I do like Intimidator, but there's things that put me off.

Also, I would love to see a 3P Liokaiser. Not only because he's awesome and one of the biggest G1 combiners ever, but also because unlike basically every other combiner ever he's almost totally self-contained, and I would love to see a 3P company make that work with a modern toy.
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Re: how does Hastaks 2015 combiners compare to FP Intimidator and TFC Uranos

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Yeah i don't rate CW Combiners from what iv'e seen so far , i mean if i'm not gonna buy MT/FP because there too small what chance have these guys got .

I think i will only be picking up a couple of key members fom each team to have as stand alone characters .
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Autobot Genocide wrote:Yeah i don't rate CW Combiners from what iv'e seen so far , i mean if i'm not gonna buy MT/FP because there too small what chance have these guys got .

I think i will only be picking up a couple of key members fom each team to have as stand alone characters .

From the pics we've seen, I thought the CW gestalts were supposed to be pretty big/substantial, no?
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Autobot Genocide wrote:Yeah i don't rate CW Combiners from what iv'e seen so far , i mean if i'm not gonna buy MT/FP because there too small what chance have these guys got .

I think i will only be picking up a couple of key members fom each team to have as stand alone characters .

From the pics we've seen, I thought the CW gestalts were supposed to be pretty big/substantial, no?


They look a decent size I'll give them that , they don't look to far away from MT/FP combiner scale .

But MT/FP just look 100x better and i might as well pay extra for the good stuff if i was to buy any .

I just don't like the combined mode there's a couple of individual figures i would buy mainly Motormaster .

The way i see it if Boldforms are at the bottom of the league for combiner design then Hasbro just got relegated .
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Postby megatronus » Sun Oct 05, 2014 11:08 am

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Autobot Genocide wrote:Yeah i don't rate CW Combiners from what iv'e seen so far , i mean if i'm not gonna buy MT/FP because there too small what chance have these guys got .

I think i will only be picking up a couple of key members fom each team to have as stand alone characters .

From the pics we've seen, I thought the CW gestalts were supposed to be pretty big/substantial, no?


They look a decent size I'll give them that , they don't look to far away from MT/FP combiner scale .

But MT/FP just look 100x better and i might as well pay extra for the good stuff if i was to buy any .

I just don't like the combined mode there's a couple of individual figures i would buy mainly Motormaster .

The way i see it if Boldforms are at the bottom of the league for combiner design then Hasbro just got relegated .

Are you saying Hasbro is below Bold Forms?

Because if so, I must protest.
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Postby Genocide G2.0 » Sun Oct 05, 2014 1:14 pm

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Autobot Genocide wrote:Yeah i don't rate CW Combiners from what iv'e seen so far , i mean if i'm not gonna buy MT/FP because there too small what chance have these guys got .

I think i will only be picking up a couple of key members fom each team to have as stand alone characters .

From the pics we've seen, I thought the CW gestalts were supposed to be pretty big/substantial, no?


They look a decent size I'll give them that , they don't look to far away from MT/FP combiner scale .

But MT/FP just look 100x better and i might as well pay extra for the good stuff if i was to buy any .

I just don't like the combined mode there's a couple of individual figures i would buy mainly Motormaster .

The way i see it if Boldforms are at the bottom of the league for combiner design then Hasbro just got relegated .

Are you saying Hasbro is below Bold Forms?

Because if so, I must protest.


I don't mean BF has better product than hasbro , What i'm saying is side by side i would choose Boldforms Menasor design over Hasbros >:oP
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Autobot Genocide wrote:I don't mean BF has better product than hasbro , What i'm saying is side by side i would choose Boldforms Menasor design over Hasbros >:oP

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Postby Wh33l Jck » Sun Oct 05, 2014 10:32 pm

A few of the individual bots for the Hasbro Combiners look like really close to the 80's toon.

Definitely a nostalgia factor there for me that the 3rd party don't seem to evoke. Especially the Ariel Bots.

Really love the Hasbro Menasor head sculpt. I think it is better than FP's.
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Postby Agamemnon » Sun Oct 05, 2014 11:16 pm

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Autobot Genocide wrote:I don't mean BF has better product than hasbro , What i'm saying is side by side i would choose Boldforms Menasor design over Hasbros >:oP

:shock:

I'm questioning everything I ever thought about you right now.
(just kidding)

;)

:lol:

I actually have to agree with AG, on the aspect of the overall design. I am not digging the remold of OP as the design choice for CW Menasor. I would have wished for a Hasbro attempt along the general design of Bold Forms, but with much better engineering and design details, of course.

But if I am wishing for something, how about a couple hundred grand so I can get all the TF toys I really want!! 8-}
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Re: how does Hastaks 2015 combiners compare to FP Intimidator and TFC Uranos

Postby megatronus » Sun Oct 05, 2014 11:31 pm

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Autobot Genocide wrote:I don't mean BF has better product than hasbro , What i'm saying is side by side i would choose Boldforms Menasor design over Hasbros >:oP

:shock:

I'm questioning everything I ever thought about you right now.
(just kidding)

;)

:lol:

I actually have to agree with AG, on the aspect of the overall design. I am not digging the remold of OP as the design choice for CW Menasor. I would have wished for a Hasbro attempt along the general design of Bold Forms, but with much better engineering and design details, of course.

But if I am wishing for something, how about a couple hundred grand so I can get all the TF toys I really want!! 8-}

Bold Forms just seems like a step backward, IMO... they're overall aesthetic just seems very Impossible Toys-esque, which I don't dig. But if you all like them, that's cool.

Also, a point of order - there's much speculation that Motormaster isn't a redeco of Prime, but the other way around. They just revealed Prime first, since the Combiner Wars announcement was later.
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Postby Tsutsukakushi » Mon Oct 06, 2014 2:24 am

Speculating at least Four to Five Combiners Wars Waves for 2015. With each new wave featuring a newer Combiner team. Guessing 2016 will also have about Three to Four CW Waves, With newer combiners teams.
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Postby craggy » Mon Oct 06, 2014 4:02 am

I'm generally ok with MT/FP combiner scale. Particularly in 3rd party stuff. I definitely see the appeal of larger combined modes, of course, but given the price and bot mode sizes that result from something the height of Hercules or...whichever of those Predakings has the ultra class limbs... I'm happy to have a slightly less imposing gestalt that's still taller than most of my bots, at a third less cost, and have the option of fitting the individuals into a display without them looking way too big.

Hasbro's Combiner Wars Superior and Menasor look great for me in those terms. Defensor and Bruticus will to. Everything bar maybe Devastator and Predaking will be welcome as Deluxe limbs and a Voyager torso. If they were to make the two big guys all Voyager sized though, I'd welcome it, at Hasbro prices. Even then I'd maybe see the Predacon's bot modes as a bit big, but they'd be in beast mode most of the time they'd not be combined any way.

I may still get 3rd party add-ons for the Hasbro figures, but $30-50 plus $90ish for the base is still better than the current costs we're looking at. So far FP's Bruticus and MT's Quantron are the only combiners I've bought, and I really had to think hard about the Technobots. Them coming as a set, and some of the more 'neo' aspects were the things that really sold me, besides I see them being far down the list for Hasbro any way.

About Combiner Wars: theres already speculation Hasbro will reuse molds across teams (that copter in Superion is very Blades-y) but with Optimus Prime so far not being announced as part of a combiner, I wonder if we'll be seeing repaints and retools that aren't part of an established team? This'd open up a lot more ways to get money out of us, and if it finally gives me a Maximal/Autobot repaint of Predaking I'm all for it. (#Stampede for HOF)
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Re: how does Hastaks 2015 combiners compare to FP Intimidator and TFC Uranos

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Autobot Genocide wrote:I don't mean BF has better product than hasbro , What i'm saying is side by side i would choose Boldforms Menasor design over Hasbros >:oP

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I actually have to agree with AG, on the aspect of the overall design. I am not digging the remold of OP as the design choice for CW Menasor. I would have wished for a Hasbro attempt along the general design of Bold Forms, but with much better engineering and design details, of course.

But if I am wishing for something, how about a couple hundred grand so I can get all the TF toys I really want!! 8-}

Bold Forms just seems like a step backward, IMO... they're overall aesthetic just seems very Impossible Toys-esque, which I don't dig. But if you all like them, that's cool.

Also, a point of order - there's much speculation that Motormaster isn't a redeco of Prime, but the other way around. They just revealed Prime first, since the Combiner Wars announcement was later.


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Bare in mind both of these would be a last resort neither make it close to sitting on the top shelf , they wouldn't even make the floor in front of the shelf .

Like What Aggy said, if hasbro had went more in line with how BF is shaped i would have been excited to see these hit retail , as they are i only want a couple of characters from each team .

How ever i do like both Motormasters and will be picking one up for a stand alone figure .

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Re: how does Hastaks 2015 combiners compare to FP Intimidator and TFC Uranos

Postby megatronus » Mon Oct 06, 2014 5:56 am

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craggy wrote:About Combiner Wars: theres already speculation Hasbro will reuse molds across teams (that copter in Superion is very Blades-y) but with Optimus Prime so far not being announced as part of a combiner, I wonder if we'll be seeing repaints and retools that aren't part of an established team? This'd open up a lot more ways to get money out of us, and if it finally gives me a Maximal/Autobot repaint of Predaking I'm all for it. (#Stampede for HOF)

My guess is we're going to get an homage to Energon Prime's super-mode in Combiner Wars, with repaints of limb bots serving as the drones.
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Re: how does Hastaks 2015 combiners compare to FP Intimidator and TFC Uranos

Postby Evil Eye » Mon Oct 06, 2014 8:15 am

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Myself, I'd like to see fully-transforming new mold limb-bots paying homage to Energon Prime's drones. Those things were pretty awesome, especially the drill arm.

Looking at CW Menasor, he looks pretty boss. I'd be tempted to settle for him. Either that or get FP Menasor and CW Menasor, repainting the CW figures into something new.
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Re: how does Hastaks 2015 combiners compare to FP Intimidator and TFC Uranos

Postby megatronus » Mon Oct 06, 2014 8:23 am

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Delta Magnus wrote:Myself, I'd like to see fully-transforming new mold limb-bots paying homage to Energon Prime's drones. Those things were pretty awesome, especially the drill arm.

Looking at CW Menasor, he looks pretty boss. I'd be tempted to settle for him. Either that or get FP Menasor and CW Menasor, repainting the CW figures into something new.

I have FP's Menasor, and will probably keep him in combined mode, and use CW Menasor's bots to display individually (or in car mode).
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