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If this topic isn't at all original, please allow me to add my ten cents worth opinion.......

The're girls, so in human terms. either they serve as an emotional crutch, a psychological stabilizing factor or at worst procreative service...........(end may be a bit extreme......bordering to stereotyping chauvenisting views, on the other hand to adolecent humor, them girls give you cooties. )

Seriously now, in organic terms, our gender separation has its stock of purpose, but when the Gynoids were introduced, we'd all assume at best their functions mimicked that of human females (with the exception of pro creation, that was Vector Sigma's job)

Ever wonder why there were no female decepticons? ( Exception to Cybertron's Chromia)The Japanese take in Transformers: Victory included Destron civilians, heck even Deazaras had a wife and Leozack was his brother in law ( .

So in G1 terms what would the female Autobot be like?

1. Certain Transformers would need a "Spark mate" as opposed to human's Soul mate. They'd serve as a stabilizing factor for the male autobot's violent tendencies ( see a pattern? the Decepticons never had an official "female decepticon" Nightbird as an exception (human made)

2. Certain function's need a co-partner, similar to Inferno, Firestar would fit well in the category.

3. Elita-1 nearly going off line after activating her mini worm hole powers, Optimus' energy patterns help restore her instability ( goes both ways I hope for the male Autobots)

4. Creation, despite this being Vector Sigma's job, the mingling of cybernetic DNA into a main fondry may help create a semi-personalized automaton, sentient yet incorporating the inherent attributes of the "parent" blue print.

5. Healers, if you are to follw a bit of G1 cannon, the Autobot's forebears were consumer related products, so one might assume that either they were similar to carpenters, engineers, merchants, scientists etc. You'ld expect some back up as to one who'd either fix up the bumps and bruises or give their immaculate opinion on how to do things the right way. (In human analog terms, women's brains are geared toward the emotional content hence the importance of every bit of detail (birthdays, anniversaries etc.......pity the fool who forgets his better halfs birthday/ANNIVERSARY, because I had .....once. and nearly paid with my life

Now this one I am adding in good measure as an idiotic rant, I remember in Futurama, Bender got his "sexual" kicks looking at robot porn ( blue prints ), so maybe fembots will serve this purpose at least to the over energized Decepticons that is, who I am reminded as a human analog, super charged with testosterone, contemptous of females ( either geeks or nerds or at worst Nazis)

What say you TF fans to my zany theories?

I always liked the theory that they were reformated to make human/transformer relationships more easy-as humans think in terms of gender it was essential fo rthe autobots to give the pretense of being near human to halp along these relations.

It amkes the most sense as a theory as robots dont really need to make babies the traditional mammal way + there were no female autobots aboard the ark + the decpticons dont have any (dont care about relations with other species)

Of couse this theory neglects a lot of facts-but it works if u turn a blind eye to inconvient data

well in beast wars there was airrazor, black arachnia and i belive there was another female in beast machines. who knows what the point to female TF's is. i bet the creaters just made them with out thinking about it.

You know, that would make sense. Consider they are a rarity so I doubt every male character had a female counterpart. My theory is this: as humans we can't conceive of anyone living their existence NOT needing a counterpart, I.E. having no desire to pro-create. Trust me, I'm one of those who gets ripped up and down for having a near-to-none existing desire for a female (but its there). Whats the first question I get asked when people find out I don't have a girlfriend and haven't had one in 12 years? Am I gay? I simply shake my head and wonder sometimes. SEe my point here?
Back on point, the creators of the transformers probably decided it best to avoid future problems by including female transformers because God forbid the woman should be excluded from what the men do. On the other hand, God forbid men should be allowed in the women's activities!
The last observation I found the most peculiar thought. The Decepticons represent male chauvinism, the Autobots very accepting of them. In context of the Transformer genre I'm quite sure they have their functions and abilities that the males can't fulfill, as would be true in the vice versa.
You should note however the appearance of female Decepticons and Predacons (not to mention Vehicon also) have grown.

Threads like that make me want to...howl!

I could tell you, but, given that you don't already know, you might not understand their "purpose".

GrimSqueaker wrote:I always liked the theory that they were reformated to make human/transformer relationships more easy-as humans think in terms of gender it was essential fo rthe autobots to give the pretense of being near human to halp along these relations.

It amkes the most sense as a theory as robots dont really need to make babies the traditional mammal way + there were no female autobots aboard the ark + the decpticons dont have any (dont care about relations with other species)

Of couse this theory neglects a lot of facts-but it works if u turn a blind eye to inconvient data

This is very true...and it is what I have heard on the matter.

Also, it is more for diplomacy with humans than anything. It just makes sense.

I think females were created in canon to avoid alienating girls. Remember in the 80s it was all about equality which is why they started making dolls for boys (remember My Buddy?) and all that fun stuff.

As for fanchars I think it's because the human mind can't comprehend a single sex race and being the reproductive creatures we are we feel the need to pair everyone up. Even giant transforming robots need love too, I guess

This is just a theory, but maybe the fembots are a Transformer variant of Plan B to ahh..procreate their species. I know they can't always run back to Vector Sigma, and it does seem like they are on other worlds besides just Cybertron, so it would make sense if they had a second way as well. I don't think the fembots are useless, and I think a Transformer character once said when he met one,"I thought all of the fembots were extinct!" which sound like they could have been around long before they came to Earth. They could be an "evolution" of some kind where they started out originally as just one gender or genderless, but became two instead. They are probably a way to reproduce without having to run to Vector Sigma all the time. Besides, what if they ever lost Vector Sigma?

Or what if their creaters had male and female, and patterned the robots after them? And to add last, if they are supposed to be advanced, what is stopping them from reproducing another way other than Vector Sigma, even if it isn't the traditional mammel way? For all we know they lay eggs.

Zombie please don't go giving Hasbro any ideas

some one has to wait on me

I've always seen it as more a matter of gender association, rather than any kind of physical gender. Their personalites, manerisms, and physical builds are all percieved as female by bi-gendered humanoid races.

Honestly, it boggles my mind that no one is ever bothered by the existence of "male" robots, but female one ones get so many people in an uproar.

Well, in G1 it seemed to be that their purpose was to be warriors. On Paradron it was a Medic. But after watching BW & hearing Rattrap talk excesively, it seemed in 2300 that famale Maximals/Predacons were either Maintenance Bots or were used for "pleasure". In the case of Airrazor & Blackarachnia though, they are still warriors/scienists. Look at it any way you want.

Maybe its just statistical inevitability. Since Transformers are sexless in any reproductive sense, and there are only so many practical humanoid designs maybe its just inevitable that amoungst the millions of Transformers on Cybertron and the worlds they've colonised that some just happen to resemble human females. The Genders may only be something that we as a species that has them percieves to exist, the TFs themselves may not see why having a different style chest ect. makes them in any way different.

To paraphrase Simon Furman's recent interview, he's done just about everything except Transformer porn (joke). But you people have seen a pattern here. Female transformers (in a G1 sense) were more or less likely used for support or healing.

Even Elita's transwarp powers, though with dangerous potential seems more or less likely a defensive ability.

For the lady fans out there, don't take it too personally, but IMHO gynoid/female Transformers purpose, feminist issues aside serve to be but a part of a greater whole. Though male transformers can function without the gynoids, their output would be further maximized if they had a "spark mate".

I hope my thesis don't offend, but this discourse between opposing ideas make a lively TF site.

in a race of robots, there is no purpose for females, or even males for that matter lol. however, i came up with one for my fan fic, which is kinda long, so here we go:

the "female transformers" before the days of autobots and decepticons were called "Bettas" so named for the first of thier type, Betta.

the betta models were created for the sole purpose of interplanetary interaction. they were basicly design models, made to be apealeing to the eyes of other races. thay were also given the ability to copy any code of any other transformer. this way, they could duplicate the core consiousness and recreate said robot. in time, they learned to alter code, so as to create new unique robots. This is how Betta herself created the Seekers.

it is important to note, that not all Betta class robots are "female" not thatnamy cybertronians understand the concept. For example, the autobot Tracks is a Betta class, made to interact with a species that held nobility and etiquate in high reguards, with a taste for flashy colors.

Megatron, as the epitamy of cybertronian design, also has the betas ability to copy and paste core code. so since he can create troops as needed, the bettas are thus obsolete, hence his drive to eradicate them from the planet. though there is an alterior motive here: megatron thinks the concept of a female robot is utter rubbish, and a waste of technomatter, thus his genocidal drive is also a bit racist, one could say.

Diplomats? Why not, basically in a category of healing.......relations/building relations.

I had kind of came up with a way for them to be useful for 'pro-creation' we already know transformers can build robots, and download a spark from Vector Sigma, possibly the spark creation could come from a small amount of a male's spark/lazercore/whatever and a small bit of a female's spark merge through interfacing (I tried hard to come up with a better word, really i did) and is then downloaded into Vector Sigma as an incubator of a sorts. Airrazor and Tigatron's sarks merged, though that's a more extreme example of what i'm talking about. and once a new body is built, Vector Sigma downloads the fully developed spark into it. it would also give reasons for each individuals personality to be different, basically it's a robotic/cybernetic version of sexual reproduction and pregnancy. the females could possibly carry the developing spark, but it would use a good amount of their energy reserves and would be more efficient to have it in vector sigma until a body is created.

My own theory is that an ideal male body is VERY big and massive (for protection and fighting) while an ideal female body is slim and flexible enough to get into tight spots and carry out spy assignments, methinks.

Gender doesn't always have to do with reproduction, of course. (And I really like the idea of graceful lady Transformers with female faces being opposite of the big, handsome male ones, too. )

But who's to say a female form, be it TF or not, would be appealing to other TFs or other alien races?

Er, optic candy?

other aliens have a technofetish and the fembots were designed just for them?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robot_fetishism

Putting aside political correctness, male and females are never equal. I am not saying the male is superior or the female vice versa, it all boils down in subjectivity.

In organics, women have been proven to live longer than males, can take a lot of beating ( 9 months of carrying a child ) plus are allowed to cry in public (hence an outlet for stress) raised children etc. Aside from that, scientifically proven too, women mature faster and are more creative ( utilizing the emotional side of the brain).

Males on the other hand, the opposite of the female. But does that make the former superior to the latter?

That situation I believe is applicable to the transformer race. One essentially needs the other in order to function at full optimum levels. For the other Autobots who don't have a perceived "spark mate", maybe due to their pre-programmed functions.

As for the Decepticons

Greyryder wrote:Honestly, it boggles my mind that no one is ever bothered by the existence of "male" robots, but female one ones get so many people in an uproar.

I was gonna ask that myself. Pretty much alot of the folks that despise the idea of female transformers are those who were younger during the 1980's and were feeling 'violated' as girls, at that time, the enemy, were walking in on their sacred stuff. Picture the boys that go, "Girls?! Ewww, cooties!!!!"


THAT'S pretty much the reason for the most part, I think.

You think this gets negativity, you won't believe the uproar at the Star Trek forums out there when they take a hot actress and put her in a skimpy outfit, as oppossed to the unisex uniforms.....and it's the MALES doing the bitching.

I say, yank that broomstick outta your ever fattening ass, and just sit back and enjoy the show.

Screambug wrote:My own theory is that an ideal male body is VERY big and massive (for protection and fighting) while an ideal female body is slim and flexible enough to get into tight spots and carry out spy assignments, methinks.

Tell that to Bumblebee and Rattrap.