The Energon Pub

-Kanrabat- wrote:I just came into this thread. I'm glad I avoided the drama. Sure, I WOULD have liked a "hot femme fatale" Ghestalt. Mainly to see how it could be done. Seeing an original character made only out of repaints would be greatly dissapointing. I just hope the retoolings will be significant enough to show some "tough mamas" à-la RID Strongarm rather than standard bots in fabulous colors.

As for the colors, it look puke-ugly as for now.

Stiiiiiiiill......

The detailed HD images of the individual bots and the combiner are yet to come. Only then will Final Jugement be made.

They are all available here: http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/official-promotional-images-fan-built-combiner-victorion-and-torchbearers/33453/


So what is your verdict?

I like them well enough, but what did ever happen to that third color? Maybe someone should ask hasbro about it if sdcc is still going on...

Burn wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:Why do we accept Devastator or Predaking with their unified team colors for their individual members? They seem to be exceptions to the rule, but they're both celebrated. No one calls them out on having a "symmetrical" deco for all members. Bright red and teal just don't mesh well, unlike Devastator's green and purple or Predaking's orange and black motifs.

We didn't question it because that's just how it was. We were kids, they were robots that combined into a bigger robot, I for one wouldn't have cared about the colours back then.

So we've grown up accepting that Predaking and Devestator have a somewhat uniform colour scheme, while the Scramble guys don't.

We didn't really object to the crazy colours of G2, 'cause you know, TRANSFORMING ROBOTS!

But now, we're all a little bit older, our tastes have "matured" and along comes Victorion with her scramble city style combination but with a uniform colour scheme! I wonder if people may be rejecting the colours on a subconscious level because of what a lot of us grew up with.

My questions were meant to be more rhetorical than interrogative, but yes, I agree nostalgia has a lot to do with why the original exceptions to the rule are fine by us, but this new one is raising alarms. I think there IS something that can save Victorion and her color scheme, though, beyond Hasbro tinkering with the hues a bit: story. If Hasbro can give us a compelling reason why the "Torchbearers" all wear matching colors, and why they use these specific colors, there will be a lot more acceptance from us, the fans.

william-james88 wrote:

They are all available here: http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/official-promotional-images-fan-built-combiner-victorion-and-torchbearers/33453/


So what is your verdict?

I will SHOCK Seibertron's Tumblrinas when I say NONE of these bots look female. From close-up or far away. Maybe just the very first and only thanks to the head. Their colors are horrible.

No way I'm going to buy that team of utter cr...
See the whole combiner
...aaaaaamy GOD, that thing is GLORIOUS.

If the price is right, I may buy. Like G2 FOC Bruticus right, at 80$US for the team.
I still need to see the REAL photos of the REAL figures. No prototypes, no photoshop.

I think the biggest problem with Victorion's colour layout is the fact that she's virtually nothing but scallop-foot red and mouthwash teal. Had there been more black and silver to break up the monotony a bit it wouldn't have been so bad.

Of course, no amount of colour switches can change the fact that slapping a new head and boxy tits on a decidedly male figure does not make for an even successful fembot (not to mention how annoying it is that we get yet more reuses of the same goddamn molds). Really, something as momentous as the first all-female combiner deserved all-new molds for the entire team.

Honestly? I reckon instead of doing this fanbuilt combiner they should have just made the new members of the G1 teams (Alpha Bravo, Offroad, Rook etc) into fembots.

Delta Magnus wrote:Honestly? I reckon instead of doing this fanbuilt combiner they should have just made the new members of the G1 teams (Alpha Bravo, Offroad, Rook etc) into fembots.

Dude.

That is one HELL of a missed opportunity right there.
These characters are all new. So, why werent they femmed-up?

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Delta Magnus wrote:Honestly? I reckon instead of doing this fanbuilt combiner they should have just made the new members of the G1 teams (Alpha Bravo, Offroad, Rook etc) into fembots.

Dude.

That is one HELL of a missed opportunity right there.
These characters are all new. So, why werent they femmed-up?

OR instead of letting the fans choose stuff, just announce at sdcc that a new combiner is being made that is female, and plan to make all new molds for it that could be retooled into other figures, adding even more diversity to the ranks. Heck, that may have even gotten rid of the '84 teams, which would have been nice.

... I want to think of the torso bot as her own fembot character... but all my mind will let me process is that head, and that head makes me think "Wait, Prowl is a red firetruck now?" I like the combined mode but I feel like the red got overused and the white/silver not used enough.

TerranPrime wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Check out the color that won on the poll, the white should be as prevalent as the red. So what's going on here, how is red all over this ala Harley Quinn?!

Thanks for posting the colors, William-James88. The first thing I thought when I saw her was "Did we really vote for those colors?!?!?"

The answer is "NO!" We voted for a friggin' green transformer with red and white highlights - not a Christmas tree nightmare of mint green, and red with black. The red and green that they are using are almost compliments of each other so they are really hard on the eyes when used the way the designers used them here.

What people voted for was teal, red and white. The problem here is people are assuming that because teal was the bigger rectangle it was going to be the dominant colour.

So on one hand, people made a mistake in assuming that, on the other hand, Hasbro kinda misrepresented the colour scheme choices.

So has anybody thought about swapping one the the helicopters arms with Blades I don't know it just seems more appropriate.

Burn wrote:

TerranPrime wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Check out the color that won on the poll, the white should be as prevalent as the red. So what's going on here, how is red all over this ala Harley Quinn?!

Thanks for posting the colors, William-James88. The first thing I thought when I saw her was "Did we really vote for those colors?!?!?"

The answer is "NO!" We voted for a friggin' green transformer with red and white highlights - not a Christmas tree nightmare of mint green, and red with black. The red and green that they are using are almost compliments of each other so they are really hard on the eyes when used the way the designers used them here.

What people voted for was teal, red and white. The problem here is people are assuming that because teal was the bigger rectangle it was going to be the dominant colour.

So on one hand, people made a mistake in assuming that, on the other hand, Hasbro kinda misrepresented the colour scheme choices.

Let's be honest though. Who would look at those colours and not assume that the big bloody rectable on the left that is taking up most of the palette is the main colour? Everyone was expecting either an orange, teal or royal blue combiner. They really overplayed the red, and should've at least divided the colours up a bit fairer on the figure. I don't even think I see any white anyway...

Va'al wrote:

Burn wrote:

Moosey wrote:

shajaki wrote:

Burn wrote:I don't see "females", I see robots.
That being said, individually, not too fussed on them. But combined? I quite like the combined mode.

I'm agreeing with you a lot today Burn
Individually its kind of a fail for me. Combined though... I'm really diggin it.

I agree with burn. I mean, I just find it ridiculous that some people must insist on their figures looking like supermodels... I mean, do you want your Optimus to have a super accurate male physique with sculpted muscles???

Sucking up to me will only work if you admit I'm prettier than Va'al.

..but.. you *are* prettier!

I wasn't sucking up, I actually agree with you... but you are prettier than Va'al...

Syn_13 wrote:

Burn wrote:

TerranPrime wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Check out the color that won on the poll, the white should be as prevalent as the red. So what's going on here, how is red all over this ala Harley Quinn?!

Thanks for posting the colors, William-James88. The first thing I thought when I saw her was "Did we really vote for those colors?!?!?"

The answer is "NO!" We voted for a friggin' green transformer with red and white highlights - not a Christmas tree nightmare of mint green, and red with black. The red and green that they are using are almost compliments of each other so they are really hard on the eyes when used the way the designers used them here.

What people voted for was teal, red and white. The problem here is people are assuming that because teal was the bigger rectangle it was going to be the dominant colour.

So on one hand, people made a mistake in assuming that, on the other hand, Hasbro kinda misrepresented the colour scheme choices.

Let's be honest though. Who would look at those colours and not assume that the big bloody rectable on the left that is taking up most of the palette is the main colour? Everyone was expecting either an orange, teal or royal blue combiner. They really overplayed the red, and should've at least divided the colours up a bit fairer on the figure. I don't even think I see any white anyway...

It is the basis of implied logic

If it's not obvious enough, I'll leave this here.

-Kanrabat- wrote:If it's not obvious enough, I'll leave this here.

Maybe try to compare that image to the pallet that was offered for windblade

But again, whose fault is it? The fans and their assumptions, or Hasbro for not being clear about how the colour scheme would be made up?

Burn wrote:But again, whose fault is it? The fans and their assumptions, or Hasbro for not being clear about how the colour scheme would be made up?

I'm going to go with both

Maybe has brought tried it the other way and it was an abomination against primus...either way maybe they'll do some changes once it hits retail

I kind of like the colour scheme, there's just something about it that I dig.

One more thing! Where's the rest of the teams Official Images?. It seems to be missing pics of one of the Choppers robot modes, one of the cars entirely and the motorcycles vehicle mode. OK most of them have shown up now. All we're missing is Stormclash's robot mode pic.

I think the figures look good enough. The 'uniform' color scheme, I believe, is to make this combiner look less like a mishmash of random bots and more like a conjoining of teammates.
The original Scramble city members were meant to be able to connect to any other member, so having matching colors would make it look weird when one member is relocated. It would probably discourage swapping limbs in the first place.
Assuming that there will be deco changes between now and final product, perhaps it will gain more highlight colors.(And maybe they'll change the deco on one of the helicopters so I can tell them apart!)
The only thing (to me at least) let-downy about the individual bots is that I was expecting them to have been completely re-shelled, rather than just new chest pieces, heads, and arms. Not that I mind, I only got my hopes up too high. I will be getting them regardless. I'll probably keep them in combined mode most of the time, so I can display that glorious sword.


But seriously, the chopper-bots are almost too identical. Does anyone know which is which?

Whifflefire wrote:I think the figures look good enough. The 'uniform' color scheme, I believe, is to make this combiner look less like a mishmash of random bots and more like a conjoining of teammates.
The original Scramble city members were meant to be able to connect to any other member, so having matching colors would make it look weird when one member is relocated. It would probably discourage swapping limbs in the first place.
Assuming that there will be deco changes between now and final product, perhaps it will gain more highlight colors.(And maybe they'll change the deco on one of the helicopters so I can tell them apart!)
The only thing (to me at least) let-downy about the individual bots is that I was expecting them to have been completely re-shelled, rather than just new chest pieces, heads, and arms. Not that I mind, I only got my hopes up too high. I will be getting them regardless. I'll probably keep them in combined mode most of the time, so I can display that glorious sword.


But seriously, the chopper-bots are almost too identical. Does anyone know which is which?

Stormcloud has a visor and Skyburst doesn't.

I haven't read back through the thread, so forgive me if I'm repeating someone... But I have a theory.

All female, no ranged weapons, called "torchbearers"... Is it possible that Victorion's components are from Caminus?

Nemesis Primal wrote:I haven't read back through the thread, so forgive me if I'm repeating someone... But I have a theory.

All female, no ranged weapons, called "torchbearers"... Is it possible that Victorion's components are from Caminus?

Why wouldnt they be from the Sea of Rust?

william-james88 wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote:I haven't read back through the thread, so forgive me if I'm repeating someone... But I have a theory.

All female, no ranged weapons, called "torchbearers"... Is it possible that Victorion's components are from Caminus?

Why wouldnt they be from the Sea of Rust?

Because windblade isn't from Kaon. The torchbearers are probably from caminus, and Victorion was "born" in the sea of rust. I'm think something not dissimilar to superion occurred.

william-james88 wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote:I haven't read back through the thread, so forgive me if I'm repeating someone... But I have a theory.

All female, no ranged weapons, called "torchbearers"... Is it possible that Victorion's components are from Caminus?

Why wouldnt they be from the Sea of Rust?

In IDW continuity, there are no female Transformers native to Cybertron.

Don't ask about Arcee. There's drama there that you want no part of.