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[Va'al]

So this weeks Star Wars Rebels.

Showdown between Maul and Kenobi.

That was rather anti-climatic.

It was, but I honestly felt it was fitting and well executed. One of those anti-climax's that can also function as an anti-disappointment: not what I wanted, but still pretty... fitting/good?

Yeah, I agree (with Big Grim too). Maul has been built to be a character who works better behind the scenes rather than a fighter by this stage, and he's corrupted by revenge impulses. Using the same technique and weapon against a prepared Jedi general would not really last too long at all.

I was VERY intrigued by his last words though, and share Kenobi's chin stroking in the final shot - is this something leading to The Last Jedi, or am I misreading it entirely?

[D-Maximal_Primal]

So this weeks Star Wars Rebels.

Showdown between Maul and Kenobi.

That was rather anti-climatic.

It was, but I honestly felt it was fitting and well executed. One of those anti-climax's that can also function as an anti-disappointment: not what I wanted, but still pretty... fitting/good?

Yeah, I agree (with Big Grim too). Maul has been built to be a character who works better behind the scenes rather than a fighter by this stage, and he's corrupted by revenge impulses. Using the same technique and weapon against a prepared Jedi general would not really last too long at all.

I was VERY intrigued by his last words though, and share Kenobi's chin stroking in the final shot - is this something leading to The Last Jedi, or am I misreading it entirely?

I've thought about his last words a lot too. What if Anakin wasn't the chosen one, but rather the father that gave birth to the chosen one? or something else like that?

Also, I love how maul and Kenobi had some sort of peace together as Maul died

[Burn]

What if Anakin wasn't the chosen one, but rather the father that gave birth to the chosen one? or something else like that?

The chosen one was meant to bring balance to the Force. That was, apparently Anakin.

With all the Jedi wiped out, he destroyed the last of the Sith.

So as there's no real Jedi or Sith, that is apparently the "balance".

Luke went and screwed that up though by restarting the Jedi.

The prophecy though is old and shared across various Force using cultures who interpreted it differently. I think the whole prophecy thing was some garbage that Lucas through in and never really planned through.

[Va'al]

The prophecy though is old and shared across various Force using cultures who interpreted it differently. I think the whole prophecy thing was some garbage that Lucas through in and never really planned through.

But that would never happen.

[Shadowman]

What if Anakin wasn't the chosen one, but rather the father that gave birth to the chosen one? or something else like that?

The chosen one was meant to bring balance to the Force. That was, apparently Anakin.

With all the Jedi wiped out, he destroyed the last of the Sith.

So as there's no real Jedi or Sith, that is apparently the "balance".

Luke went and screwed that up though by restarting the Jedi.

A thing people seem to forget is that when they talk about "Balance" they don't mean in the sense of, say, yin and yang. The Light side is Balance itself, the Dark side is corruption. This is why there was a thousand years of peace while the Sith kept to themselves and the Jedi just did whatever they wanted, and why things were a constant mess under the Sith-controlled Empire and the Jedi were either dead or in hiding.

[Va'al]

Hm. So. The last two Rebels episodes.

I always like seeing Thrawn doing his thing and showing what he's really capable of, but I also didn't enjoy the finale as much as I thought I might. His scene with the Bendu left me a bit .. whelmed. The Bendu in general did that, with both episodes.

It may be that it was tinted by my dislike/boredom of a lot of the Mandalorian narratives. There's just something not there with Sabine's side plots, and it sort of interfered with the whole thing bringing them back in like this. I dunno.

Hm.

[Burn]

For a season finale, after so much happened throughout the season it was rather ... bland.

Still ... THAT voice of The Bendu.

[Va'al]

For a season finale, after so much happened throughout the season it was rather ... bland.

Still ... THAT voice of The Bendu.

Yes. Pretty much this.

[RAR]

The problem with the idea that Anakin achieved the Balance before he got limb chopped by killing the jedi - is he didn't kill the jedi the clones did at Palpatine's orders.

Balance of a sort would be 2+2 (obviously excluding all the expanded Jedi characters) Balance would be Obi Wan & Yoda vs Anakin & Palpatine.

The problem is if you say balance was achieved by eradicating the Jedi and the Sith both - is what about all those other dark force users that are still cannon ? Like the Witches (The Ewok Movies has one of them in it and she's still canon of a sort).

Also What about Ex-Jedi the ones who left to get married etc ? (they are obviously allowed to leave as Count Dooku did).

Even if you ignore all that and pretend Vader killed everyone then died - Luke is still a Jedi so there is still balance issues.

I guess you have to assume the Balance thing is just a reference to Father/Brother/Sister. and the rest has nothing to do with it.

Oh and Luke stop running away it's getting old.

[Shadowman]

The problem with the idea that Anakin achieved the Balance before he got limb chopped by killing the jedi - is he didn't kill the jedi the clones did at Palpatine's orders.

He is shown killing numerous Jedi.

[Rodimus Prime]

The problem with the idea that Anakin achieved the Balance before he got limb chopped by killing the jedi - is he didn't kill the jedi the clones did at Palpatine's orders.

He is shown killing numerous Jedi.

Are you referring to Revenge of The Sith? Or The Clone Wars? I don't recall him being shown killing any Jedi in Episode III. Just the trainees. But it's been a few years since I've seen it.

[Shadowman]

The problem with the idea that Anakin achieved the Balance before he got limb chopped by killing the jedi - is he didn't kill the jedi the clones did at Palpatine's orders.

He is shown killing numerous Jedi.

Are you referring to Revenge of The Sith? Or The Clone Wars? I don't recall him being shown killing any Jedi in Episode III. Just the trainees. But it's been a few years since I've seen it.

It's in the security footage Yoda and Obi-Wan watch. Even before that, Yoda points out that a bunch of the Jedi had been killed by a Lightsaber, not blasters.

[Va'al]

[Ironhidensh]

Nerd boner achieved.

[Shadowman]

Luke: "I only know one thing. It's time for the Jedi...to end."

Well then...

[Va'al]

But is 'to end' transitive or emphatic?

As in, does it mean that the Jedi must stop existing, or that the Jedi must end something which has been cut off from the trailer?

[Rodimus Prime]

But is 'to end' transitive or emphatic?

As in, does it mean that the Jedi must stop existing, or that the Jedi must end something which has been cut off from the trailer?

My thought exactly. I believe it's the latter. Perhaps the rest of the sentence is "...the Sith forever." I am excited for this film, I hope it will be better than TFA was, and they minimize John Boyega's role. And hopefully we'll get a good look at Snoke finally.

[SureShot18]

3 things

Those last Rebels episodes were really good. I wish there would have been less Ezra in Twin Suns and that they would have went through with their plans for Maul having visions of Satine and Savage. But that has to do with me wanting Rebels to be Clone Wars, but they are two different shows. Still loved it though, Sam Witwer's Maul is so good.

The finale was pretty awesome. Glad to see Thrawn will be back next season. Speaking of which,

Filoni said it would be the final season. I'm glad to see it get a proper ending but I still feel like the show had a lot more potential. But once you get into movie territory things get messy.

Nerd boner is engaged for The Last Jedi. Too bad the trailer was a little generic. I suppose that's better than giving away the plot. *Glares at the Spider-Man Homecoming trailer.*

[Burn]

Rebels didn't win me over at first, it took until the second season for that to happen. I was bitter that Clone Wars had ended as I REALLY enjoyed it, only to see it replaced with a new cartoon that featured a bunch of new characters and I was expected to care for them.

I still don't really care for them, but I have come to enjoy it. The only thing I want from Season 4 is closure for the Ahsoka storyline.

[Shadowman]

But is 'to end' transitive or emphatic?

As in, does it mean that the Jedi must stop existing, or that the Jedi must end something which has been cut off from the trailer?

My thought exactly. I believe it's the latter. Perhaps the rest of the sentence is "...the Sith forever." I am excited for this film, I hope it will be better than TFA was, and they minimize John Boyega's role. And hopefully we'll get a good look at Snoke finally.

I think he means the concept of the Jedi needs to come to an end, but only because he's still in such a funk over Kylo tearing apart the Jedi Order, but he'll be snapped out of it eventually. It's not like he can just stop people being born Force sensitive.

[Rodimus Prime]

It's not like he can just stop people being born Force sensitive.

That's why I don't think he was talking about ending the Jedi, but instead having the Jedi end something that has been around for a long time, such as the Sith.

[Va'al]

It's not like he can just stop people being born Force sensitive.

That's why I don't think he was talking about ending the Jedi, but instead having the Jedi end something that has been around for a long time, such as the Sith.

You can still be Force sensitive and not a Jedi, though!

[SureShot18]

It's not like he can just stop people being born Force sensitive.

That's why I don't think he was talking about ending the Jedi, but instead having the Jedi end something that has been around for a long time, such as the Sith.

You can still be Force sensitive and not a Jedi, though!

And I think at this point in the new canon we are to assume the Sith died with Palpatine and Vader. While Kylo Ren has aspects of a Sith, he probably isn't a truth Sith like the ones before him. Like a Dark Jedi.

[Shadowman]

It's not like he can just stop people being born Force sensitive.

That's why I don't think he was talking about ending the Jedi, but instead having the Jedi end something that has been around for a long time, such as the Sith.

You can still be Force sensitive and not a Jedi, though!

And I think at this point in the new canon we are to assume the Sith died with Palpatine and Vader. While Kylo Ren has aspects of a Sith, he probably isn't a truth Sith like the ones before him. Like a Dark Jedi.

To be fair, Anakin and Palpatine weren't True Sith either, who may not have ever even existed in the new canon. The True Sith were a race of red-skinned assholes with a serious Dark Side leaning, and originated the organization that most people just call the Sith, including teachings and traditions. Anyone can pick up a red lightsaber and call themselves Darth Whatever and officially be Sith...just so long as there's no other currently-operating Sith to shut them down. (And even then the Might-Makes-Right mentality of the Sith means holding on to that mantle is just one lightsaber duel away)

I'm pretty sure Snoke just started up the Knights of Ren because he didn't want to have the political baggage of having Sith running the First Order. A part of the reason the First Order got so much done is because so few people were taking them seriously; having Sith Lords at the helm, people who were responsible for most major wars in the Galaxy, would have piqued too much interest from the Republic. Probably the same reason Darth Tyrannus only used that name behind closed doors; the CIS was working a Hearts-and-minds style campaign to conquer worlds more peacefully, and "Sith Lord" doesn't look so good on a business card.

[Rodimus Prime]

The True Sith were a race of red-skinned assholes with a serious Dark Side leaning

So did that make Darth Maul the last "True Sith" or was he just a pretender as well?