The Energon Pub

[DorkimusPrime]

I figure it's not your alls' fault as the moderators and the people running the works here, but it's due to some of our members being jackasses.

I agree, and a healthy round of banning jackasses would send a message, even if it's not a permaban.

[Dagon]

I figure it's not your alls' fault as the moderators and the people running the works here, but it's due to some of our members being jackasses.

I agree, and a healthy round of banning jackasses would send a message, even if it's not a permaban.

Whoo hoo, Jackass Riot Squad!

[Dead Metal]

Well for the legal stuff, yes I do think that Ryan can get into trouble for the ripoffs, cos it is his Forum and it the laws are similar to the ones in Germany he is held responsible for everything.

So I do think it's best if he killed Carbombya and my bring it back as a place like ebay, with special members selling of stuff like on a online shop like ebay.

But that may make him more wounerable against legal transactions, Oh I'll just shut up.

[Cyber Bishop]

I figure it's not your alls' fault as the moderators and the people running the works here, but it's due to some of our members being jackasses.

I agree, and a healthy round of banning jackasses would send a message, even if it's not a permaban.

One of the problems with this is a couple of times that people had trouble I requested that they contact me as soon as things were straight (or as straight as they could be) and then bannings would be given out.

No one follows up with me..

[DorkimusPrime]

I don't mean to give the impression that I'm telling you how to do your job here, but why wait for things to be straightened out? If a bad trader is worth banning, he's not going to straighten anything out, IMO.

[Seibertron]

In this day and age, people can sue for anything. I think ryan is worried about being sued because some dumbas$ ripped someone off.

Though, I dont see why ryan should be worried about that kinda stuff at all. He doesnt handle said transactions. Infact, they are private transactions. Somtimes with paypal involved.

But if the transactions occur here on Seibertron and if someone sued, there's a small possibility that I could have to provide data or get dragged into a situation that I don't want to have anything to do with. I don't know what kind of legal ramifications I could get dragged into. I don't want to have to find out the hard way either. It's a liability that I don't want to have to worry about or deal with at this time. Plain and simple. It's something that you guys don't have to worry about ... but Ryan Yzquierdo does.

You guys know I don't like promoting other Transformers websites when I don't need to. I'm all about Seibertron.com and what's best for my website. To show you how strongly I feel about concerns that I have about any possible liability that a section like Carbombya could bring, I recommend that those of you who want to buy, sell or trade use the classifieds system that Tformers.com setup at http://www.tfieds.com/ if you are looking for an alternative to eBay. It's a well programmed website and I'm sure those guys would love some of the extra traffic.

I am still pondering coming up with a system that requires Carbombya users to have X # of posts and X # of months that they've been here. I don't have time to program that at this time. I have a lot of other projects that I'm in the middle of that rank much higher than Carbombya. Once we get up and running on the new forums, I <i>might</i> look into coming up with a system that will help all of you out with a new Carbombya forum.

Until then, I'd like it if this discussion could end and if people would stop sending me suggestions and complaints about this situation. I don't want to deal with this right now. I hope you guys will understand and respect my decision even if you don't agree with my stance regarding my website.

Thanks.

[Seibertron]

For the record, I am not opposed to having an eBay forum if someone on the staff is willing to regularly monitor the forum to make sure it is being used properly (i.e. no transactions occurring on Seibertron.com or via PMs on this site).

[The Mad Asshatter]

No one follows up with me..

Need a hug? ^__^

[Cyber Bishop]

But if the transactions occur here on Seibertron and if someone sued, there's a small possibility that I could have to provide data or get dragged into a situation that I don't want to have anything to do with. I don't know what kind of legal ramifications I could get dragged into. I don't want to have to find out the hard way either. It's a liability that I don't want to have to worry about or deal with at this time. Plain and simple. It's something that you guys don't have to worry about ... but Ryan Yzquierdo does.

Disclaimer stating that you or the site is not responsible = your nose is clean...

No one follows up with me..

Need a hug? ^__^

No, what I needed was for people to follow up. If they have a concern they need to follow through.

I get hugs from my wife and daughters every day.

[General Magnus]

Shame that because of some morons, the Carbombya thread had to be closed.

Anyway I´m never scamed anyone so I have a clear conscience.

[Seibertron]

But if the transactions occur here on Seibertron and if someone sued, there's a small possibility that I could have to provide data or get dragged into a situation that I don't want to have anything to do with. I don't know what kind of legal ramifications I could get dragged into. I don't want to have to find out the hard way either. It's a liability that I don't want to have to worry about or deal with at this time. Plain and simple. It's something that you guys don't have to worry about ... but Ryan Yzquierdo does.

Disclaimer stating that you or the site is not responsible = your nose is clean...

Hopefully someone with some legal background can shed some light on all of this. If any of you can help me find out information about what possible legal ramifications there are for a forum such as Carbombya, that would be greatly appreciated. Please feel free to show me some articles or parts of the U.S. law that will help me change my mind. Until then, I'm doing what I feel is necessary to cover my own ass as well as Seibertron.com's.

[Cyberstrike]

no transactions occurring on Seibertron.com or via PMs on this site.

Ryan I do respect you but that's a stupid idea.
I know admins can open any account on their website but this would mean that every admin would have to be peering into other members accounts to see if someone PMing "I have TF MOVIE RC 4 Sale" type message in their inbox.
Which is a waste of time and energy given the number of members that this site has.

[Seibertron]

no transactions occurring on Seibertron.com or via PMs on this site.

Ryan I do respect you but that's a stupid idea.
I know admins can open any account on their website but this would mean that every admin would have to be peering into other members accounts to see if someone PMing "I have TF MOVIE RC 4 Sale" type message in their inbox.
Which is a waste of time and energy given the number of members that this site has.

The staff will not be doing that. I won't be doing that. We have better things to do with our time. But it will be the policy of the website. If something bad happens and it was conducted via PM, we'll deal with the members that were involved at that time.

[Counterpunch]

This is going to make acquiring Superlink Scorponok that much more difficult...

[DevastaTTor]

I doubt it'd be possible to sue him, as he's made it quite clear that he doesn't have any control over transactions and that they're taken at your own risk.

The main concern (aside from all the complaints he's had to put up with), as I understand it from one of his posts, is in regards to any legal proceedings that do wind up taking place.
Ryan may not be responsible for the transaction itself, but he is responsible for almost the entirety of the relevant evidence of the transaction, since a lot of it may well consist of PMs and forum messages on his servers. This would essentially make Ryan one of the prime 'witnesses' in a case he had nothing to do with.

The ramifications of this - which may include flying cross-country for court dates, taking time off work (and indeed time from working on more important aspects of the site, not that we're biased :P) and plenty of stuff I can't even think of right now - seem too much hassle to deal with over a small part of a forum, which is a small part of a site, which is Ryan's hobby.

As the site owner, a shrewd attorney would find a way. My father used to work for a major lawn mower manufacturer. While it clearly stated not to stick your hand in a mower while it was engaged, people sued all the time when their fingers were cut off. Not that it would probably ever come to this but we all know Ryan is just sick and tired of the being bitched to like he's the responsible party. This site was set up as a reference, not as a trading post.

[DeathNoble]

Hopefully someone with some legal background can shed some light on all of this. If any of you can help me find out information about what possible legal ramifications there are for a forum such as Carbombya, that would be greatly appreciated. Please feel free to show me some articles or parts of the U.S. law that will help me change my mind. Until then, I'm doing what I feel is necessary to cover my own ass as well as Seibertron.com's.

Problem with that idea:

Not everyone here is based in the US. There were some B/T/S going on in Carbobmya that were overseas transactions. Not a lot, but they were there. If you're looking for laws on the subject as to what you could held responsible for... You'd need to look up laws for every country every user is based in. With that much brass up your ass, you could play the Star Spangled Banner out your butthole.

Also, I'd like to know something. What about messages in user signatures? Don't mean to point fingers, but Counterpunch's signature is what I'm talking about. How are these rules of no attempting to B/S/T going to change what's allowable in signatures?

[DorkimusPrime]

pretty sure that the laws of the country where the site are hosted are the ones you're playing by.

[DeathNoble]

*Shrug*

I have absolutely no clue in the slightest. So I was just tossing it out there. Whether or not I'm right... Who knows? Not me.

[Nemesis Cyberplex]

I have a quick question...when you say no more B/S/T in PM's, does that mean no new transactions, or stop everything alltogether? Just saying, because I currently am in the process of handling 2 sales, one of which the guy has already sent me payment(just have to wait for paypal to send the money to my checking account) & the other, the guy sent the payment, but so far hasn't showed up.....

& just saying this: Personally, I really hope you guys can come up with something for us. Already stated this in a different thread, but in case anybody wondering missed it, I had recently got in a wreck that totaled my car & forced me to have to buy a new one when I really can't afford it, & I was selling my stuff just to gather in a few extra bucks to help keep us afloat untill I could get my finances back in order(every little bit helps). In cases like mine, it really sucks when a few bad apples ruin it for everybody else.

[Sledge]

pretty sure that the laws of the country where the site are hosted are the ones you're playing by.

Ya'd think, wouldn't you? But the US government, last I heard, was trying to prosecute gambling sites hosted in other countries.

[DeathNoble]

Ryan said he wasn't completely punching up the delete key on Carbombya yet because he still wanted it around for folks that were in the middle of deals. So, I'd assume finish what you're dealing, leave him alone, and don't do it no more 'till further notice.

</my guess>

[Toyotus Superion]

Please stick to the topic.

Like I said I am working on someplace that you guys can go until we smooth things out here.

I'm sorry, I can't help it. When our Philosophers Forum was taken away, we had to gravitate to another thread about another closed forum in order to compensate......


I know that's off topic Bishop and I'm sorry, but I agree with whoever said it earlier in this thread: things around here are on the decline. The Philosophers, now Carbombya, what's next? I figure it's not your alls' fault as the moderators and the people running the works here, but it's due to some of our members being jackasses. I have no ideas for fixing the problems, I think I'm just weighing in. Ever since the summer it just seems that people are ruining our good time.....or at least parts of it. Sad.

Thats why I said the site gets worse and worse. You cant avoid conflict. You can't close down stuff because people argue. People always argue. its what happens when you express an opinion.

[Toyotus Superion]

Hopefully someone with some legal background can shed some light on all of this. If any of you can help me find out information about what possible legal ramifications there are for a forum such as Carbombya, that would be greatly appreciated. Please feel free to show me some articles or parts of the U.S. law that will help me change my mind. Until then, I'm doing what I feel is necessary to cover my own ass as well as Seibertron.com's.

Problem with that idea:

Not everyone here is based in the US. There were some B/T/S going on in Carbobmya that were overseas transactions. Not a lot, but they were there. If you're looking for laws on the subject as to what you could held responsible for... You'd need to look up laws for every country every user is based in. With that much brass up your ass, you could play the Star Spangled Banner out your butthole.

Also, I'd like to know something. What about messages in user signatures? Don't mean to point fingers, but Counterpunch's signature is what I'm talking about. How are these rules of no attempting to B/S/T going to change what's allowable in signatures?

The british are coming! The British are coming!

[OptimusN1701]

I'm just putting in my two cents here, and if people want to flame me because of it, then so be it

this is not eBay, or any other trading site

Ryan owns this site, it is his to do with as he pleases, any forum he sets up or deletes is his business

Carbombya, like the Philosopher's Forum, was a privilege, not a right. And with all privileges, they can be taken away just as easily as they were given. Some people screwed it up for everyone by ripping people off, and others apparently kept bitching to him because they let themselves get ripped off

And for those of you going around spouting things like "this is bullshit" or "this site sucks" etc, just need to stop all of this crap

there are possible legal ramifications in this for Ryan, not you

This is his site, not yours

This guy has poured his soul into this website, and made it a great thing, and I know I'm not alone in saying that I love this site

Unless you can do better then get off of his back, and quit bitching...you know where the door is and no one is forcing you to stay here

[Lapse Of Reason]

How about buyers/sellers maintain their own buy/sell/trade web site like Primangel does, and just link to it in your sig? You can even add your wants to it in you sig.

That is what I plan to do.

By the way, Ryan is in no way legally responsible for deals gone bad. It is very much like the classified ad section on the newspaper. You can't sue the newspaper if you have a bad deal through the classified ad system.

From what I read and know, Ryan is a good guy who hates seeing people ripped off and he is trying hard not to feel indirectly responsible. That is why he lashed out at the naive for letting themselves get ripped as well as the scammers. http://www.seibertron.com is his labor of love, and if part of the site has become a thorn in his side then he does have the right to do whatever he wants. Consider this his domain and you are simply a guest. I don't want this site to become a negative part of Ryan's life to the point where he gets frustrated and pulls the plug. Sometimes you have to trim the bad to nurture the good. With that in mind, even though I will miss the Carbombya section, I am understanding about why it is gone.

I always got more responses to B/S/T posts on TFW2005 and Allspark anyway, so Carbombya was not even the best cyberspace for TF trading.