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[Nemesis Primal]

Well, that is...certainly something (I know nothing about these three characters sorry).

That combined mode looks insane, but I highly doubt this is something I'll be able to get my hands on. This is bound to be over 100 bucks at the very least, it's a three-pack of exclusive figures. That's crazy.

Nice to see that Takara isn't letting the brand unification hold them back from putting out these kinds of crazy shenanigans though.

[chuckdawg1999]

Nice to still see this kind of work from Takara

[Sabrblade]

So, who wants to bet that they're all gonna still be Headmasters like their base molds were?

[william-james88]

I give lots of praise to Takara on this. I do want to point out that the base molds are all Hasbro designs though. For some reasons, Takara only designs in Transformers lines (post G1 obviously) have never been great (those Takara exclusive Go! molds come to mind) so its cool to see that there is still synergy at play in the design and that we do see how solid that collaboration is.

Really looking forward to the robotmodes to see how much different these are to the original molds.

[Wolfman Jake]

This is glorious and only make Star Saber's absence from a main line all the more grating, unless he's coming up in Siege. Because at this point every major 'good guy lead' is getting a new figure.

Which is a shame because Star Saber would have been absolutely perfect for the "evolution" gimmick in Power of the Primes, mixed with a leftover Titan Master gimmick from Titans Return. He would have been an amazing "transition" figure between the two series. Hopefully they've got something really awesome planned for ol' Star Saber and Deszaras.

Yeah yeah I know, blame people like me who voted for a monkey. We didn't know that was going to be the Leader gimmick when the vote was around.

Conversely, the existence of both this new set and the current God Ginrai set makes me even more glad that the MP Star Saber figure scales so well with the Generations/Legends toys, being the height of a CW Combiner like how Star Saber was combiner-sized in the cartoon.

That's probably the reason it's seemingly taking so long to get a Star Saber release in "Generations" format. Takara is probably thinking, "we already gave fans a perfect Star Saber in the Masterpiece line. Why would you need anything else?"

Also, I'm still holding out hope that we're getting the Autobot Targetmasters at some point in the Legends line, probably as EX releases, hopefully as a box set. If Takara can pull of this magic by retooling Black Shadow/Overlord, Twin Twist, and Misfire, they can certainly pull off the redecos of Titans Return Kup, Titans Return Hot Rod, and TR/LG Full-Tilt that they've already basically designed a la the Transformers Legends manga.

[fenrir72]

This is glorious and only make Star Saber's absence from a main line all the more grating, unless he's coming up in Siege. Because at this point every major 'good guy lead' is getting a new figure.

Which is a shame because Star Saber would have been absolutely perfect for the "evolution" gimmick in Power of the Primes, mixed with a leftover Titan Master gimmick from Titans Return. He would have been an amazing "transition" figure between the two series. Hopefully they've got something really awesome planned for ol' Star Saber and Deszaras.

Yeah yeah I know, blame people like me who voted for a monkey. We didn't know that was going to be the Leader gimmick when the vote was around.

Conversely, the existence of both this new set and the current God Ginrai set makes me even more glad that the MP Star Saber figure scales so well with the Generations/Legends toys, being the height of a CW Combiner like how Star Saber was combiner-sized in the cartoon.

That's probably the reason it's seemingly taking so long to get a Star Saber release in "Generations" format. Takara is probably thinking, "we already gave fans a perfect Star Saber in the Masterpiece line. Why would you need anything else?"

Hey! No love for MP Victory Leo?

[Seibertron]

That's probably the reason it's seemingly taking so long to get a Star Saber release in "Generations" format. Takara is probably thinking, "we already gave fans a perfect Star Saber in the Masterpiece line. Why would you need anything else?"

I'm thinking it's my least favorite Masterpiece figure of all time. It was literally opened, photographed for Seibertron.com, and put back in the box. I don't have it with the rest of my Masterpiece figures. I really would like to see a proper Leader Class or Supreme Class styled Star Saber and Deszaras.

[Seibertron]

Also, I'm still holding out hope that we're getting the Autobot Targetmasters at some point in the Legends line, probably as EX releases, hopefully as a box set. If Takara can pull of this magic by retooling Black Shadow/Overlord, Twin Twist, and Misfire, they can certainly pull off the redecos of Titans Return Kup, Titans Return Hot Rod, and TR/LG Full-Tilt that they've already basically designed a la the Transformers Legends manga.

Disappointment came from seeing those molds used in the Legends Manga. Takara and Hasbro can do better for those 3 awesome Autobot Targetmasters who have never received proper updates before. It's been too long ... they need to be done right. If they are going to be remolds, I would expect something much better than something remolded from Full-Tilt. In addition, Titans Return Kup is one of the worst figures in my opinion from the past few years. I hope to see that figure never used again.

[Seibertron]

Hey! No love for MP Victory Leo?

I would love to see a proper Victory Saber, complete with Victory Leo ala God Bomber style.

[Wolfman Jake]

Also, I'm still holding out hope that we're getting the Autobot Targetmasters at some point in the Legends line, probably as EX releases, hopefully as a box set. If Takara can pull of this magic by retooling Black Shadow/Overlord, Twin Twist, and Misfire, they can certainly pull off the redecos of Titans Return Kup, Titans Return Hot Rod, and TR/LG Full-Tilt that they've already basically designed a la the Transformers Legends manga.

Disappointment came from seeing those molds used in the Legends Manga. Takara and Hasbro can do better for those 3 awesome Autobot Targetmasters who have never received proper updates before. It's been too long ... they need to be done right. If they are going to be remolds, I would expect something much better than something remolded from Full-Tilt. In addition, Titans Return Kup is one of the worst figures in my opinion from the past few years. I hope to see that figure never used again.

Wow. I really love the TR/LG Kup mold. What makes you so averse to it?

I know it would be nice to get all new molds for the Autobot Targetmasters, or even just more heavily remolded ones, but in all honesty, I don't think we're going to get them any time soon unless they are mostly repaints. Hasbro has gone back to "square one" with Siege. It's unlikely they're going to offer anything but 1984-86 characters for quite some time. I think only Takara's Legends line is going to keep us going with the post 1986 stuff. I'm sure a boxed set of the Legends manga repaints of Crosshairs, Sureshot, and Pointblank would sell like hotcakes. It would be relatively "cheap" for Takara to produce, and they already put out all of their Targetmaster partners too. I would be floored if Takara let this opportunity slip through their fingers, honestly.

[Seibertron]

Wow. I really love the TR/LG Kup mold. What makes you so averse to it?

It's a bad figure, most noticeable from the side because his chest is flat (when it should be at an angle or there's something else off with it, but it doesn't look right regardless), he has no backpack, the back is too flat with the location of the back of his head/neck, lower legs are far too bulky, and so on. It's a good example of cost-cutting instead of doing a figure right. Hopefully Kup is on the shortlist of figures that should be redone in the near future.

[blackeyedprime]

Should look good next to MP Starsabre, would be nice if the original toy could get an Encore version but really glad the Legends line is living on and this is a definite buy.

[Emerje]

I hope to see that figure never used again.

Ironhide says "hi".



I'm curious if knowing they share transformations has any effect on your opinion of Ironhide.

Emerje

[fenrir72]

That's probably the reason it's seemingly taking so long to get a Star Saber release in "Generations" format. Takara is probably thinking, "we already gave fans a perfect Star Saber in the Masterpiece line. Why would you need anything else?"

I'm thinking it's my least favorite Masterpiece figure of all time. It was literally opened, photographed for Seibertron.com, and put back in the box. I don't have it with the rest of my Masterpiece figures. I really would like to see a proper Leader Class or Supreme Class styled Star Saber and Deszaras.

Too Gundammy? Iirc, him and Gundam share the same designer(the original RX-78-2)and he sold like hotcakes in Japan.

Though it boils down to personal preference but the MP Starsaber imho is, well too anime perfect. Only thing lacking was a separate solid "battle up" helmet with Jean as a mini figure to replicate his appearance when he first enrolled jean in that Euro private school.

Then Takara suddenly forgot about Victory Leo

[ZeroWolf]

To say they forgot about victory Leo is a bit misleading as Star Saber wasn't planned from the get go anyway as he won that fan poll. He and Ultra Magnus (and hot rod now I think about it) were blips in what the mp line was doing at that point.

[ZeroWolf]

I got sidetracked by victory Leo talk, so I didn't say what I wanted which was:



I need these in my life. Bravo Takara! Now give us robot modes please!

[-Kanrabat-]

This thing is a clusterfok. Seriously, I can do this "combined" form with all of my toys. Still, if the individual bots are good, such a combined feature would be just a bonus.

[angtre]

It's nice to see a bit of love for those obscure Zone characters.

Since Siege will bring Micromasters back, having properly scaled vehicles and/or bases is definitely neat. Maybe modern Battlestars are not such a remote possibility any more?

[fenrir72]

To say they forgot about victory Leo is a bit misleading as Star Saber wasn't planned from the get go anyway as he won that fan poll. He and Ultra Magnus (and hot rod now I think about it) were blips in what the mp line was doing at that point.

Saber and Leo are like Peanut butter and Jelly. Like GGinrai and GBomber. Takara should have followed through with the combo is all I'm saying.

Just like Takara forgetting to release Grandus and Skygarry when they released Starconvoy back in 2005.

[It Is Him]

Whoa

[ScottyP]

So, who wants to bet that they're all gonna still be Headmasters like their base molds were?

I'd hope so, because then the heads can be Speeder, Drillbuster, and Sonic. If not, I'd be ok with those coming out later since Siege will have Micromasters.

[ScottyP]

Where is Misfire in that mess? I don't see his mold re-used. I definitely see Overlord and Twin Twist though.

The front.

I actually agree that it's a mess but hey, it's a gray model. I bet color will help. As is, the G1 combined vehicle mode is cleaner.

Not so sure about that, I was about to post that the original G1 version was a bit of a mess too in that goofy combined mode, but I still think this is extremely awesome ... mess and all!

It's not perfect and is a bit clumsy at the Sonic Bomber/Dai Atlas connection, but it looks better than the gray model here by a country mile.

[leokearon]

Who's Sonic Bomber a retool of? Dai Atlas is Overlord and Roadfire is Twin Twist, but I can't make out Sonic Bomber and see hands and what could be legs, but nothing else stands out

[leokearon]

just to make it easier to compare

[ScottyP]

^Thanks!

Best anyone can tell Sonic Bomber is a retool of Misfire. I'd put a tiny fractional chance on it being Blurr/Brainstorm.