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I fail to see how Siege Springer looks like any kind of upgrade to the G1 cartoon design. Thrilling 30 Springer looked liked an upgrade, while Siege Springer just looks like his normal, unchanged, ordinary base form.

william-james88 wrote:

Carnivius_Prime wrote:It's amusing how really good Springer looks and how really godawful Impactor looks.

I agree 100% and I think we should celebrate since we rarely agree on things. I am surprised though since Springer is very blocky. He wears it as well as anyone could of course but I thought you were against that kind of aesthetic.

I still have fondness for the Marvel UK comics and Springer was often in that and despite the blockiness (which is more acceptable for a comic/toon character, not so much for a realistic one) he's one of the few characters from G1 I still think looks kinda neat for some reason. I still have the 30th thrilling figure but I'm done with. If there is even one Siege figure I may buy it'll probably be this Springer... but I want to see size with other figures cos I hoped it was a deluxe but it says voyager and being voyager was one of the few big issues I had with the 30th figure. He shouldn't be more than a lil taller than associated characters like Hot Rod and Arcee. Even odder than here he's a voyager and Impactor is a deluxe when Impactor is supposed to be the taller one whether IDW or Marvel.

Who’s the fourth siege deluxe going to be? Reflector or Brunt? Why aren’t there pre orders for them? Is someone from wave one getting repacked?

SpikeyTigertron wrote:Who’s the fourth siege deluxe going to be? Reflector or Brunt? Why aren’t there pre orders for them? Is someone from wave one getting repacked?

Leaks and promo art say Barricade, and we know they haven't shown all the retail figures yet anyway, so...probably Barricade.

Edit: To make it clearer:
Wave 3 Deluxes - Red Alert, Refraktor, Brunt, ??? (Barricade)
Wave 4 Deluxes: Impactor, Mirage

Nemesis Primal wrote:

SpikeyTigertron wrote:Who’s the fourth siege deluxe going to be? Reflector or Brunt? Why aren’t there pre orders for them? Is someone from wave one getting repacked?

Leaks and promo art say Barricade, and we know they haven't shown all the retail figures yet anyway, so...probably Barricade.

Edit: To make it clearer:
Wave 3 Deluxes - Red Alert, Refraktor, Brunt, ??? (Barricade)
Wave 4 Deluxes: Impactor, Mirage

Oh.... they’re mixing waves..... explains why I can’t put a finger on how many studio series constructicons are coming out this summer....

Sabrblade wrote:I fail to see how Siege Springer looks like any kind of upgrade to the G1 cartoon design. Thrilling 30 Springer looked liked an upgrade, while Siege Springer just looks like his normal, unchanged, ordinary base form.

That's the point, Sabr. It's not an upgrade to the G1 character model, it's an upgrade to the G1 toy. G1 with knees/elbows and such. T30 Springer isn't really an "upgrade" of the cartoon model so much as it is a reinterpretation/stylization of the original Springer archetype.

3, 2, 1. Okay here we go.

KSI Boss, looks okay. Already have that Nitro Zeus dude, good solid figure but this guy. Doesn't he need 2 heads? Don't think I'll get him, to much the same.

Drift, don't like the character. If the transformation is easy I might get him at reduced price.

DOTM Optimus, looks great and screen accurate (for once). Won't get him, I have my forrest battle Optimus from the studio series and happy with it.

High Tower, I love Constructicons, even the ROTF ones. This guy is just so pathetic it's almost cute. I'll get them all of course, need that real Devastator.

Dropkick = cool. Will get.

Optimus Prime Bumblebee movie = pure love, will need in my life.

Red Alert, I so love that Sideswipe mold, so slick, so perfect. Will get.

Mirage, also looks perfect, will get.

Siege Optimus Cybertron, again, lots of love, will get.

Omega Supreme, well, he is perfect, magnificent and majestic. Must get.

Springer looks great and bulky. I didn't like the Thrilling 30's version of him and was considering getting Energon Bulkhead.
But now, that's not neccesary, here is Springer.

Jetfire, wow he's a deluxe! I thought he was another big ass leader. Very refreshing. I hope they repaint him to death, looks like a really fun mold!

Thundercracker, I always wanted a voyager G1 seeker trio and felt very sorry for myself when Armada Skywarp had that silly head. Well the mold had a little shoulder articulation problems. But now we have this.
They may repaint this mold all colors of the rainbow, will get them all.


Hasbro is being awesome in my opinion the last years.

noctorro wrote:Jetfire, wow he's a deluxe! I thought he was another big ass leader. Very refreshing. I hope they repaint him to death, looks like a really fun mold!

Jetfire is NOT a Deluxe, that is an error, he's an $80 Commander Class figure (i.e. bigger than a Leader).

Also, no love for Impactor?

Nemesis Primal wrote:

SpikeyTigertron wrote:Who’s the fourth siege deluxe going to be? Reflector or Brunt? Why aren’t there pre orders for them? Is someone from wave one getting repacked?

Leaks and promo art say Barricade, and we know they haven't shown all the retail figures yet anyway, so...probably Barricade.

Edit: To make it clearer:
Wave 3 Deluxes - Red Alert, Refraktor, Brunt, ??? (Barricade)
Wave 4 Deluxes: Impactor, Mirage

Wave 3 is just Red Alert, Refraktor, and Brunt with no fourth figure.
Wave 4 is Impactor, Mirage, Sixgun (repack), and a mystery figure that's likely Barricade.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote:

SpikeyTigertron wrote:Who’s the fourth siege deluxe going to be? Reflector or Brunt? Why aren’t there pre orders for them? Is someone from wave one getting repacked?

Leaks and promo art say Barricade, and we know they haven't shown all the retail figures yet anyway, so...probably Barricade.

Edit: To make it clearer:
Wave 3 Deluxes - Red Alert, Refraktor, Brunt, ??? (Barricade)
Wave 4 Deluxes: Impactor, Mirage

Wave 3 is just Red Alert, Refraktor, and Brunt with no fourth figure.
Wave 4 is Impactor, Mirage, Sixgun (repack), and a mystery figure that's likely Barricade.

Emerje

Yeah, I posted this before the exact Deluxe case breakdowns showed up, I'm aware of this now.

Nemesis Primal wrote:

noctorro wrote:Jetfire, wow he's a deluxe! I thought he was another big ass leader. Very refreshing. I hope they repaint him to death, looks like a really fun mold!

Jetfire is NOT a Deluxe, that is an error, he's an $80 Commander Class figure (i.e. bigger than a Leader).

Also, no love for Impactor?

HAhaha lol, they got me.

How could they put all that detail and solid body parts into a deluxe.
Well, Commander class (old school Supreme class?) is also good. He'll be towering over everybody like he should.

I don't know Impactor, can't seem to get myself into comics (grew up with cartoons and movies) I'm 34, old and rusty. I do like games, never saw him there.
He looks okay, I might get him.

But man, just way to hyped for Siege and Cyberverse. The new stuff is looking great, simple transformations, more articulation, solid figures (from the looks of it) and G1 as well. A house can only hold so much plastic

noctorro wrote:Well, Commander class (old school Supreme class?)

Nope. The average Supreme was about 15 inches tall. This Jetfire's only 11 inches, shorter than a CW Combiner.

Sabrblade wrote:

noctorro wrote:Well, Commander class (old school Supreme class?)

Nope. The average Supreme was about 15 inches tall. This Jetfire's only 11 inches, shorter than a CW Combiner.

Again, in a line where everything's a little smaller, especially leaders, Commander really is like the modern Supreme. And while Hasbro measured him at 11", Takara Tomy measured him at 300mm (11.81 inches), exactly the same as they promoted UW combiners at.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

noctorro wrote:Well, Commander class (old school Supreme class?)

Nope. The average Supreme was about 15 inches tall. This Jetfire's only 11 inches, shorter than a CW Combiner.

Again, in a line where everything's a little smaller, especially leaders, Commander really is like the modern Supreme. And while Hasbro measured him at 11", Takara Tomy measured him at 300mm (11.81 inches), exactly the same as they promoted UW combiners at.

Emerje[/quot

The new motto of Hasbro: "More money for less toy!"

Ironhidensh wrote:

Emerje wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

noctorro wrote:Well, Commander class (old school Supreme class?)

Nope. The average Supreme was about 15 inches tall. This Jetfire's only 11 inches, shorter than a CW Combiner.

Again, in a line where everything's a little smaller, especially leaders, Commander really is like the modern Supreme. And while Hasbro measured him at 11", Takara Tomy measured him at 300mm (11.81 inches), exactly the same as they promoted UW combiners at.

Emerje[/quot

The new motto of Hasbro: "More money for less toy!"

It's not less toy, the weight analysis showed you are getting as much material as before, plus Siege has more paint/detail/steps than any main line of the past 5 years.

Emerje wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

noctorro wrote:Well, Commander class (old school Supreme class?)

Nope. The average Supreme was about 15 inches tall. This Jetfire's only 11 inches, shorter than a CW Combiner.

Again, in a line where everything's a little smaller, especially leaders, Commander really is like the modern Supreme. And while Hasbro measured him at 11", Takara Tomy measured him at 300mm (11.81 inches), exactly the same as they promoted UW combiners at.

Emerje

Supers (the predecessors of Leaders) used to be that big. Commander is basically the new Super class.

Sabrblade wrote:

Emerje wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

noctorro wrote:Well, Commander class (old school Supreme class?)

Nope. The average Supreme was about 15 inches tall. This Jetfire's only 11 inches, shorter than a CW Combiner.

Again, in a line where everything's a little smaller, especially leaders, Commander really is like the modern Supreme. And while Hasbro measured him at 11", Takara Tomy measured him at 300mm (11.81 inches), exactly the same as they promoted UW combiners at.

Emerje

Supers (the predecessors of Leaders) used to be that big. Commander is basically the new Super class.

Yes, but Super was just a new name for Leaders at the same price point and Leaders shrank. Since Leaders are still around that makes the next size up from them the equivalent to the next size up from Super at the time which is Supreme. It'll get mess if we start saying things like "Siege Leaders are the new Ultras". The sizes may be comparable, but that's not exactly how classes should work. It should be based on an ordinal scale (Deluxe, Voyager, Leader), not a figure size (5", 7", 9").

Emerje

While we have seen all the toys below already on showfloors or renders but now we have final product shots for the toys shown at Toy Fair a few months back which includes Siege Springer and Thundercracker, SS Drift, Dropkick and Hightower. These should give us the best idea of the final decos and how the battle damage will look like. it also confirms that Thundercracker does indeed come with a smirking face. We can see both the vehicle and robot mode in one image and in the case for Springer, we see both his alt modes, with his car mode in a configuration we had not seen yet. The images were posted on In Demand Toys' Facebook page and on Forbidden Planet. Everyone of these items can be ordered from various retailers right now such as Hasbro Pulse, BBTS, TFSource, Amazon and more.

Here is what you will find in the images below:

Transformers War of Cybertron: Siege


Voyager Thundercracker
Voyager Springer with both alt modes

Transformers Studio Series

Deluxe Helicopter Drift
Deluxe Car Mode Dropkick
Deluxe Hightower

I like the blue they used from DropKar. I never had an issue with Dropkopter's blue but this IMO looks better. Hopefully it doesn't (excuse the pun) "shatter" like his partner

Hopefully this figure will be "off the chains"

Springers light blue looks cheap. Kinda scaring me away

Nathaniel Prime wrote:I like the blue they used from DropKar. I never had an issue with Dropkopter's blue but this IMO looks better. Hopefully it doesn't (excuse the pun) "shatter" like his partner

Hopefully this figure will be "off the chains"

You magnificent dastard.

Cheetron wrote:Springers light blue looks cheap. Kinda scaring me away

I believe the word you're looking for is "pastel".

I bet everyone and their Grandma who're picking up Thundercracker will be swapping that head with Starscream (Myself included)

Sabrblade wrote:

Cheetron wrote:Springers light blue looks cheap. Kinda scaring me away

I believe the word you're looking for is "pastel".

I think all the bright green and the lighting are just bringing out a bit more blue than usual in the gray plastic. Regardless, I love it. It really makes him "pop."

Hightower is so ugly, it’s almost hilarious. Definitely going to pick him up, though I’ll probably keep him out of his robot mode as much as possible.