The Energon Pub

According to the series, Maximals descended from autobots and predicons from decepticon. How was that since robots can't reproduce or were they related by design or ideology?

Both, I think. And faction-based design differences.

babylon queen wrote:According to the series, Maximals descended from autobots and predicons from decepticon. How was that since robots can't reproduce or were they related by design or ideology?

Well they can reproduce just not in the way humans do. Transformers reproduce simply by building more Transformers either by hand or on an assembly line.

By these methods anyone who designed and/or built another transformer could be a parrent. For example Wheeljack could technically be considered the Dinobot's father and Starscream would be the Combaticon's father.

It's the same thing with Optimus and Magnus being depicted as Brothers because they were both built by Alpha Trion. (In the RID Universe anyway not sure if that's true for G1)

The Maximals and Predacons are made of more advance technoligy than Autobots and Decepticons. They're smaller and more fuel effecient. Don't use as much Energon as the Autobots and Decepticons and sence the Energon resources were so short in suply even at the start of G1 useing less of it was a must.

Of course I think this allso lead to the Energon overload from Beast Wars. Autobots and Decepticons weren't shielded from the Energon I don't think but it doesn't matter with them because they need more of it to function properly while the Maximals and Predacons need less.

think ya hit the nail on tha head there SP

I think it's mostly okay, except for the stuff about being 'parents'. For one thing, Wheeljack did not build the Dinobots (except in the cartoon), and Alpha Trion did not build Prime and Magnus (even in the 'toon) - he refitted them.

At no point have I ever seen a Transformer refer to another as 'father' or 'son' - the only known actual familial relationships are between siblings.

Also, the main reason the Maximals and Predacons faced energon overload was not because their needs were decreased, but because the radiation from the raw, crystalline form of energon is so much more potent.


Anyway, to the point. I think the reference to 'ancestors' and 'descendants' is based far more from an ideological standpoint than from an actual 'genetic' relationship. Somewhere along the line, the Autobots and Decepticons downsized and renamed themselves as Maximals and Predacons.

Ramrider wrote:I think it's mostly okay, except for the stuff about being 'parents'. For one thing, Wheeljack did not build the Dinobots (except in the cartoon), and Alpha Trion did not build Prime and Magnus (even in the 'toon) - he refitted them.

Well I don't belive G1 ever gave mention to Ultra Magnus haveing any relationship with Prime or Alpha Trion.

Besides that there's enough difference between Orian Pax and Optimus Prime that it was much more than a simple "refit" Alpha Trion actully BUILT Optimus Prime only the Spark (or whatever you want to call it) of Orian Pax would be left in a new body.

In RID Optimus Prime did exsplain that he and Ultra Magnus were brothers because they were both built by Alpha Trion. It's true he never actully used the word "father" but he implied that Alpha Trion was their father at least in that universe.

It is as has been said, that they are related based on who initially creates them from scratch. In G1, Sunstreaker and Sideswipe are brothers from having the same creator. Alpha Trion is not Prime's father and that is good since that would make Elita One his sister and that would be incest. There is debate on who Dion was rebuilt into (either Ultra Magnus or Ironhide). In RID, Alpha Trion did create Prime and Magnus from scratch at the same time so they are brothers in that continuity.

Predaprince wrote:It is as has been said, that they are related based on who initially creates them from scratch. In G1, Sunstreaker and Sideswipe are brothers from having the same creator. Alpha Trion is not Prime's father and that is good since that would make Elita One his sister and that would be incest. There is debate on who Dion was rebuilt into (either Ultra Magnus or Ironhide). In RID, Alpha Trion did create Prime and Magnus from scratch at the same time so they are brothers in that continuity.

Someone said he was seen dead in that episode and they never gave mention to him being rebuilt so that's probly true. Me I think he's Huffer based on the simular color sceme of the 2 characters.

As I understand it the story goes like this. At the end of the war Cybertron was really low on energon so 2 upgrades to smaller more fuel efficient bodies were created, the maximal upgrade for autobots, and the predacon upgrade for decepticons. After most of the species had been upgraded the 2 factions changed their names to that of the upgrades and created new insignias, partly to show that they had evolved to new bodies, and partly as a hope of burying the old tensions with the old names. This would of course mean that there are maximals/predacons walking around who use to be autobots/decepticons but went for the upgrade. An example of this would be Ravage.

Uncrazzimatic wrote:As I understand it the story goes like this. At the end of the war Cybertron was really low on energon so 2 upgrades to smaller more fuel efficient bodies were created, the maximal upgrade for autobots, and the predacon upgrade for decepticons. After most of the species had been upgraded the 2 factions changed their names to that of the upgrades and created new insignias, partly to show that they had evolved to new bodies, and partly as a hope of burying the old tensions with the old names. This would of course mean that there are maximals/predacons walking around who use to be autobots/decepticons but went for the upgrade. An example of this would be Ravage.

Actully Ravage is the only known G1 character that was rebuilt into a Predacon of course he still uses the old Decepticon insignia and still calls himself a Decepticon. Then there's allso the little matter of he wasn't really downsized sence the cassets were allready Maximal/Predacon sized anyway.

Predaprince wrote:There is debate on who Dion was rebuilt into (either Ultra Magnus or Ironhide).

who says they even rebuilt him at all, once he was killed there was no more mention of him!
and i quote:' there are others back at the hanger, his girlfriend Ariel'
i've got to admit, that it would be fitting for him to have been rebuilt as huffer!

ThunderThruster wrote:

Predaprince wrote:There is debate on who Dion was rebuilt into (either Ultra Magnus or Ironhide).

who says they even rebuilt him at all, once he was killed there was no more mention of him!
and i quote:' there are others back at the hanger, his girlfriend Ariel'
i've got to admit, that it would be fitting for him to have been rebuilt as huffer!

Yeah the quote has OTHERS not ANOTHER, stating that there are more than one other robot at the hanger.

Prime always called Ironhide "Old friend" or "Old chum" signifying that they were friends before the whole group of Autobots got together. I, personally, believe that Ironhide was built from Dion, but there are others who believe Ultra Magnus. If you want to hope or believe that he was rebuilt into Huffer, then go ahead, but just because there colors are similar doesn't really hold as proof or even a hunch of it for me personally.

But to each his own.

Well if you look at Orian and Areial they both have the same colors as Optimus and Elita so why would Dion be the only one to change his color sceme?

but as i said, thats assuming they rebuilt him! they might not even have bothered!

Once again, I say to each his/her own.