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Autobot032 wrote:

Skullgrin140 wrote:Well, I get the feeling that this is going round in circles about now.

Movie 1: Didnt have enough Robots.
Movie 2: Had too many robots and not enough character development.

For the third movie I think the only amount we're getting maybe 14, thats assuming if they are planning on killing off some characters.

Overall though I do want the third movie to be the last of the series.

Bay signed on for 5. Just fyi...

So if 5 for A-bots & 5 for D-cons would generally make about 10 all together. I can live with that, I just hope somewhere in this movie another strike dosnt occour.

i think he means 5 FILMS dude.

which would suit me.

not that i have faith in bay, but more that im sure someone on youtube would be able to edit all five of em into ONE coherrent film.

christ knows bay cant do it, his testicle fixation alone shows that.

on the OP. the LAST thing i want in unicron. where the hell do you go AFTER that in terms of threat? there pleanty of other things the film could do first before bringing in the chaos bringer.

i'd take issue with what another poster said about the cartoon needing seasons to get character.

i learned everything i NEEDED to know about alot of the casts motivations in the first "more than meets the eye" three parter. prime, megs, hound, soudwave and his tapes (some lovely dialouge between starscream and rumble for instance) and ratchet.

what the hell has ratchet DONE in two live actions movie besides SHOOT things and stand still while his leaders corpsed id dumped on the asphalt in front of him?

i too hope that the writers strike was responsible for the lamentable mess that ROTF was.i enjoyed the action in it but no sane person can maintain it had anything in it that remotely resembled a story.

with any luck the third one will address some of the nuttier aspects of the last one and set up a decent status quo to build other films on. right now ive no idea whatsoever why the hell megatron doesnt just bugger off earth and invade a planet with no bots on it.

First of all, can we trust Bay? remember he said he would revive Jazz from the 07 movie into the ROTF and he didnt, and he said very limit images of Prime and Prime Transforming and he showed it in ROTF (which was cool, not b*thching about it) but Bay is sooo cocky and unpredictable and who really knows what he plans to do for TF3. I still want to see new bots and like someone said who stays and whos go to Cybertron and a final battle between prime and megatron (One shall stand and One shall fall.

If Bay can introduce cyberton and then i hope he can bring shockwave into the film along with astrotrain and blitzwing! Hell, bring octane too!
Final thought is, i hope Bay listens to us and do what right for TF3 to make all Transformer fans around the world happy.


PS If he introduces Unicron, im not sure how he will make that work, being he's a giant planet eater and when he transforms into and monstrous robot!

Autobot032 wrote:

Skullgrin140 wrote:Well, I get the feeling that this is going round in circles about now.

Movie 1: Didnt have enough Robots.
Movie 2: Had too many robots and not enough character development.

For the third movie I think the only amount we're getting maybe 14, thats assuming if they are planning on killing off some characters.

Overall though I do want the third movie to be the last of the series.

Bay signed on for 5. Just fyi...

The upside is that if the studio or Hasbro are not happy with the direction of the films, they can certainly scrap the last 1-2. There might be a penalty but it's probably not too bad since Bay seems to prefer to get paid on the back side of the films profits, via DVD sales, merchandise, etc.

The way I look at it, if you hate/hated these films, just be patient. If there's anything that Batman, Spiderman, the Hulk, etc. have proven to us, it's that when a studio gets tired of the same old film over and over, if there are creative differences, or the material treatment just gets too campy (see TF2, Batman 3 & 4, Spiderman 3), they just walk away and reboot the franchise. These films are a huge cash cow for Hasbro so it's bound to happen at some point, it's just a matter of when.

I don't know. We've been promised before that ROTF was gonna be darker that the 1st, but it turned out that meant Optimus and Sam dying. And even then they didn't even stay dead and the jokes got worse. So I'm not gonna believe everything what Michael Bay says about the movie. I'm just gonna wait until it comes out and see for myself how much he kept his word this time around.

KingEmperor wrote:I don't know. We've been promised before that ROTF was gonna be darker that the 1st, but it turned out that meant Optimus and Sam dying. And even then they didn't even stay dead and the jokes got worse. So I'm not gonna believe everything what Michael Bay says about the movie. I'm just gonna wait until it comes out and see for myself how much he kept his word this time around.

Wow...really? It's all Bay's fault? Really?

I'm so sick and tired of the man being the only villain in the picture here. You need to blame Orci and Kurtzman as well.

Star Trek was a good movie, but after seeing how badly they reused the same idea in the same film, I quickly realized they ain't all that, and that they truly are a big part of the problem.

If you think they had nothing to do with ROTF's shortcomings, you're incredibly wrong, so much so that it's not funny.

Trikeboy wrote:bullsh*t. Michael Bay can never tone down the explosions in his films.

I was about to say "A Michael Bay film with less explosions and more character development?! Can such a thing exist without disrupting the natural balance of the cosmos?

partholon wrote:christ knows bay cant do it, his testicle fixation alone shows that.

Actually you are forgetting that it was Ehren Kruger that came up with the constructicles for Hooverstator. And then one shot to the armpit from a rail gun was enough to kill a bot who practically destroyed one of the great pyramids, so Devastator's inclusion in the second film was completely pointless.

In regards to the fewer robots thing, I hope this means less Skids and Mudflap, because if they get as much time devoted to them in the third film as they did in ROTF, I'm going to be in the back of the theater biting down on the black capsule.

Going back to my first thought, while it was Kruger's idea, Bay encouraged him and put it in the movie, so both of them have a fixation with robot testicles.

Mechabreaker wrote:Actually you are forgetting that it was Ehren Kruger that came up with the constructicles for Hooverstator. And then one shot to the armpit from a rail gun was enough to kill a bot who practically destroyed one of the great pyramids, so Devastator's inclusion in the second film was completely pointless.

It was more the fall off the pyramid than the rail gun that killed him. Devastator was always a big clumsy lout who falls apart over the smallest things.

Oh yeah, I bet that the ending will suck even more. It will not be deep or meaningful. It will just end, that's it. The TransFormers will be gone. I have a great idea for the very end of Transformers leaving earth. But I will only share when M Bay's films are done. They should have put a lot more thought into these movies. It would have been great if these films tide into each other, more like The Lord of The Rings, and others like it.

And to all who say M Bay reads thses comments. I read that he doesn't read what fans say, and doesn't care.

I really feel sorry for many of you TransFormers fans. Jurassic Park is my favorite movie and when I heard JP3 was coming out I was so excited for it. And when it came out, look at what crap that was. I see TransFormers going down the same path, just a lot faster and in deeper crap. They want to make tons of your money and they don't care how they get it. Even if it means crapping over all the things you love...like Transformers.

Evil_the_Nub wrote:

Mechabreaker wrote:Actually you are forgetting that it was Ehren Kruger that came up with the constructicles for Hooverstator. And then one shot to the armpit from a rail gun was enough to kill a bot who practically destroyed one of the great pyramids, so Devastator's inclusion in the second film was completely pointless.

It was more the fall off the pyramid than the rail gun that killed him. Devastator was always a big clumsy lout who falls apart over the smallest things.

Hell... I don't think Mudflap should have been able to punch out through Devs. face... Mudflap should have been grinded up into shrapnel. When he came out of Devs. face, I was pissed cause Devastator is supposed to be badass. They really droppped the ball in my opinion and ruined a classic character and made him look like a pansy.

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DavidT wrote:

Evil_the_Nub wrote:

Mechabreaker wrote:Actually you are forgetting that it was Ehren Kruger that came up with the constructicles for Hooverstator. And then one shot to the armpit from a rail gun was enough to kill a bot who practically destroyed one of the great pyramids, so Devastator's inclusion in the second film was completely pointless.

It was more the fall off the pyramid than the rail gun that killed him. Devastator was always a big clumsy lout who falls apart over the smallest things.

Hell... I don't think Mudflap should have been able to punch out through Devs. face... Mudflap should have been grinded up into shrapnel. When he came out of Devs. face, I was pissed cause Devastator is supposed to be badass. They really droppped the ball in my opinion and ruined a classic character and made him look like a pansy.

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I see nothing wrong with how they handled Mudflap's escape. He started coming out through Devastator's EYE. And with a charged blast, he could do some extra damage to the surrounding facial structure. Not enough to kill Devs, of course, but enough to wound him and allow for escape.

And seriously, if that's one of the biggest problems with the movie, then that tells me they did a better job than the first film, which was riddled with problems from the get go.

Loved the first one. Hated the second one. The third one? I'll get myself riled up over the rumours like most other fans, and I will go see the 3rd, then I'll let loose with all merry profanities if it deserves it.

As for "less" explosions, if there were 50 explosions in the second one, he'll probably do 49.5 explosions for the third.... one less is still less, and its just the kind of sh1t Bay would pull.

I think if Bay did learn anything from ROTF then the 3rd could kick ass, especialy if they really do develop the characters more. Personaly what i would like to see is nemesis prime, and a scene with ironhide kicking some ass not just flipping around.

Fact is, #3 needs more AUTOBOTS development. #2 focused on Optimus and BumbleBee too much, the others being treated like pointless shadows. Just don't forget it's about Autobots: their spirit, their story, their adventures.

So, less explosions, more Autobots, more Cybertron backstory, darker tone.

Autobot032 wrote:

DavidT wrote:

Evil_the_Nub wrote:

Mechabreaker wrote:Actually you are forgetting that it was Ehren Kruger that came up with the constructicles for Hooverstator. And then one shot to the armpit from a rail gun was enough to kill a bot who practically destroyed one of the great pyramids, so Devastator's inclusion in the second film was completely pointless.

It was more the fall off the pyramid than the rail gun that killed him. Devastator was always a big clumsy lout who falls apart over the smallest things.

Hell... I don't think Mudflap should have been able to punch out through Devs. face... Mudflap should have been grinded up into shrapnel. When he came out of Devs. face, I was pissed cause Devastator is supposed to be badass. They really droppped the ball in my opinion and ruined a classic character and made him look like a pansy.

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I see nothing wrong with how they handled Mudflap's escape. He started coming out through Devastator's EYE. And with a charged blast, he could do some extra damage to the surrounding facial structure. Not enough to kill Devs, of course, but enough to wound him and allow for escape.

And seriously, if that's one of the biggest problems with the movie, then that tells me they did a better job than the first film, which was riddled with problems from the get go.

You don't see nothing wrong with Mudflap's escape? He was sucked into a huge vortex of shredding blades. That was Devs. primary weapon. If one little robot can get sucked in and not get damaged, then that makes Devastator pretty pathetic. Throughout the movie we see parts getting knocked off of Transformers from simple punches to each other. They did Devastator a great injustice for his character. At this point, it seems the only way Devs. could probably kill a Transformer would be by stepping on it.

DavidT wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:

DavidT wrote:

Evil_the_Nub wrote:

Mechabreaker wrote:Actually you are forgetting that it was Ehren Kruger that came up with the constructicles for Hooverstator. And then one shot to the armpit from a rail gun was enough to kill a bot who practically destroyed one of the great pyramids, so Devastator's inclusion in the second film was completely pointless.

It was more the fall off the pyramid than the rail gun that killed him. Devastator was always a big clumsy lout who falls apart over the smallest things.

Hell... I don't think Mudflap should have been able to punch out through Devs. face... Mudflap should have been grinded up into shrapnel. When he came out of Devs. face, I was pissed cause Devastator is supposed to be badass. They really droppped the ball in my opinion and ruined a classic character and made him look like a pansy.

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I see nothing wrong with how they handled Mudflap's escape. He started coming out through Devastator's EYE. And with a charged blast, he could do some extra damage to the surrounding facial structure. Not enough to kill Devs, of course, but enough to wound him and allow for escape.

And seriously, if that's one of the biggest problems with the movie, then that tells me they did a better job than the first film, which was riddled with problems from the get go.

You don't see nothing wrong with Mudflap's escape? He was sucked into a huge vortex of shredding blades. That was Devs. primary weapon. If one little robot can get sucked in and not get damaged, then that makes Devastator pretty pathetic. Throughout the movie we see parts getting knocked off of Transformers from simple punches to each other. They did Devastator a great injustice for his character. At this point, it seems the only way Devs. could probably kill a Transformer would be by stepping on it.

No, I don't. We didn't actually see what happened once Devastator closed his mouth. Clearly, from watching the film, we can see he (like the other TFs) is comprised of countless panels, wires, etc. It's obvious that Mudflap grabbed onto another piece inside of his mouth, and anchored himself until the vortex weapon was deactivated. We see heroes in that predicament (escaping impossible odds) all the time.

Why TransFormers should be any different is beyond me. I see posts such as these as being further proof that once a person gets something in their head, nothing will change their point of view.

Some fans hated the film, some hate Bay, some do both, and because that hatred is so strong, no one on that side of the issue is willing to look at this with any common sense or even a remotely open mind.

I don't find either movie to be perfect, especially the first one, and yes I do see where the second one would bother folks, but people act like it's the end of the friggin' world.

It's moments like those when one needs to take a step back, look at the whole picture and realize "Ooh. I'm taking this just a bit too far."

It's just a movie! If you don't like it, don't watch it. If you don't like the toys, don't buy 'em.

And seriously, people....quit calling for Bay's spilled blood. The fact that the man's life was threatened STILL bothers me, to this day.

Don't turn us into Star Wars and Star Trek fans.

DavidT wrote:You don't see nothing wrong with Mudflap's escape?

Have you ever gotten a bad chip while snacking? That Dorito that wedges itself between your teeth; that unpopped popcorn kernel; that old styrofoamy cheese puff that somehow got mixed with the fresh ones? Mudflap's that lone particle of food that ruins Devastator's snack time.

It's not like Mudflap somehow managed to severely damage Devastator, he really only distracted him for a minute or so. And that's nothing compared to being broken apart by cassette tapes!

So the man who can't get a emotive performance out of a human will Try to get Character out of CGI. Not likely, It's not that Micheal hasn't heard, or believe the criticism, he just doesn't have the ability to direct actual acting just "splosions"

No, I don't. We didn't actually see what happened once Devastator closed his mouth. Clearly, from watching the film, we can see he (like the other TFs) is comprised of countless panels, wires, etc. It's obvious that Mudflap grabbed onto another piece inside of his mouth, and anchored himself until the vortex weapon was deactivated. We see heroes in that predicament (escaping impossible odds) all the time.

Why TransFormers should be any different is beyond me. I see posts such as these as being further proof that once a person gets something in their head, nothing will change their point of view.

Some fans hated the film, some hate Bay, some do both, and because that hatred is so strong, no one on that side of the issue is willing to look at this with any common sense or even a remotely open mind.

I don't find either movie to be perfect, especially the first one, and yes I do see where the second one would bother folks, but people act like it's the end of the friggin' world.

It's moments like those when one needs to take a step back, look at the whole picture and realize "Ooh. I'm taking this just a bit too far."

It's just a movie! If you don't like it, don't watch it. If you don't like the toys, don't buy 'em.

And seriously, people....quit calling for Bay's spilled blood. The fact that the man's life was threatened STILL bothers me, to this day.

Don't turn us into Star Wars and Star Trek fans.

LMAO! You're so funny... you think you know what I'm thinking and how I feel about the movie.. you crack me up... talk about judging someone!... And whats wrong with Star Wars and Star Trek fans?

DavidT wrote:

No, I don't. We didn't actually see what happened once Devastator closed his mouth. Clearly, from watching the film, we can see he (like the other TFs) is comprised of countless panels, wires, etc. It's obvious that Mudflap grabbed onto another piece inside of his mouth, and anchored himself until the vortex weapon was deactivated. We see heroes in that predicament (escaping impossible odds) all the time.

Why TransFormers should be any different is beyond me. I see posts such as these as being further proof that once a person gets something in their head, nothing will change their point of view.

Some fans hated the film, some hate Bay, some do both, and because that hatred is so strong, no one on that side of the issue is willing to look at this with any common sense or even a remotely open mind.

I don't find either movie to be perfect, especially the first one, and yes I do see where the second one would bother folks, but people act like it's the end of the friggin' world.

It's moments like those when one needs to take a step back, look at the whole picture and realize "Ooh. I'm taking this just a bit too far."

It's just a movie! If you don't like it, don't watch it. If you don't like the toys, don't buy 'em.

And seriously, people....quit calling for Bay's spilled blood. The fact that the man's life was threatened STILL bothers me, to this day.

Don't turn us into Star Wars and Star Trek fans.

LMAO! You're so funny... you think you know what I'm thinking and how I feel about the movie.. you crack me up... talk about judging someone!... And whats wrong with Star Wars and Star Trek fans?

Hmm. I see now that I should've clarified. That's my mistake for not doing so.

The first part of my response (speaking of Devastator only) was directed at you. The rest of my response was aimed at anyone and everyone who reads it.

Not just you specifically. Not to mention some of what I said is aimed at certain mindsets, not labeling people as such.

And as for the Star Trek and Star Wars fans? They're mocked, mercilessly. To outsiders, they look like whackjobs. (They don't help themselves with some of their antics.) You and I both know there are good, sane people in both of those fandoms, but we TF fans could go down the same path if we continue bickering through matters such as "How'd this here robot get out of that there one's eye?" and "Why ain't that silver one painted red like he's 'sposed to be?"

To some of us, yeah, those might be important points, but for a lot of us fans, even long timers included (I've been in the fandom since '84!) those little quibbles just don't matter much, at all.

To an outsider looking in, if it hadn't been for Bay's work, we'd still be considered Trekkies or whatever the next label will be. And do you see how silly and crazy those arguments sound? I mean, they really do provide a sense of embarrassment.

After all these years, after all the incarnations we've seen, it's just becoming rather pointless to nitpick every single detail. As for Mudflap blasting his way out of Devastator's eye? Suspension of disbelief. Letting your imagination run wild, and having fun while watching the movie. If the movie's not your cup of tea, fine. Find something else TF related to do. But people, we don't have to deconstruct everything that comes our way.

Whatever happened to just enjoying something and going with the flow? You don't have to roll over and take commands like a pet, but geez...this is not serious business.

It's toys, comics, cartoons, video games, and movies. If you can take that seriously outside of a business point of view, then you're taking it a bit too far.

Hasbro? They should be concerned with how it all does or doesn't work.
Paramount? They should too.

Us? We should enjoy it as best we can, and if we can't, we find something else to bide our time. We don't have to spring a leak due to an ulcer because we over thought how it all works and why this shouldn't be, or that should be, etc.

I go into the toy department, I'm whisked back to my youth. I see Batman, and Power Rangers, and Ninja Turtles, and Star Trek, and of course: TransFormers. How on Earth can I look at that toy aisle and feel anything but a tear in my eye and good memories in my heart?

That's a beautiful moment to have. I realize a new generation will get to fall in love with the characters we love, the stories we love.

Why ruin such a thing over "Bay sucks. Look at this crap. I hate him!" and "Oh these suck so bad!" ?

Sure, there's a lot of the current offering that has glaring problems, I don't deny that. There's a lot wrong with the movies that keep them from being perfect (except they do work as perfect popcorn movies), I don't deny that. But nothing, and no one, is perfect. Our flaws are what makes us individuals, and makes us interesting. (the same goes for our entertainment!)

Once you realize that this is all in the name of fun and doesn't have to be serious business (again, let Hasbro and Paramount deal with that), you might just have a more optimistic opinion.

If you still feel as though it's not what you're looking for, that's fine. Just be a little patient and see what's coming next. If that doesn't work, you can always go backwards to G1 and start collecting them again.

There's something for everyone, all you have to do is stop being closeminded to see it.

Autobot032 wrote:

DavidT wrote:

No, I don't. We didn't actually see what happened once Devastator closed his mouth. Clearly, from watching the film, we can see he (like the other TFs) is comprised of countless panels, wires, etc. It's obvious that Mudflap grabbed onto another piece inside of his mouth, and anchored himself until the vortex weapon was deactivated. We see heroes in that predicament (escaping impossible odds) all the time.

Why TransFormers should be any different is beyond me. I see posts such as these as being further proof that once a person gets something in their head, nothing will change their point of view.

Some fans hated the film, some hate Bay, some do both, and because that hatred is so strong, no one on that side of the issue is willing to look at this with any common sense or even a remotely open mind.

I don't find either movie to be perfect, especially the first one, and yes I do see where the second one would bother folks, but people act like it's the end of the friggin' world.

It's moments like those when one needs to take a step back, look at the whole picture and realize "Ooh. I'm taking this just a bit too far."

It's just a movie! If you don't like it, don't watch it. If you don't like the toys, don't buy 'em.

And seriously, people....quit calling for Bay's spilled blood. The fact that the man's life was threatened STILL bothers me, to this day.

Don't turn us into Star Wars and Star Trek fans.

LMAO! You're so funny... you think you know what I'm thinking and how I feel about the movie.. you crack me up... talk about judging someone!... And whats wrong with Star Wars and Star Trek fans?

Hmm. I see now that I should've clarified. That's my mistake for not doing so.

The first part of my response (speaking of Devastator only) was directed at you. The rest of my response was aimed at anyone and everyone who reads it.

Not just you specifically. Not to mention some of what I said is aimed at certain mindsets, not labeling people as such.

And as for the Star Trek and Star Wars fans? They're mocked, mercilessly. To outsiders, they look like whackjobs. (They don't help themselves with some of their antics.) You and I both know there are good, sane people in both of those fandoms, but we TF fans could go down the same path if we continue bickering through matters such as "How'd this here robot get out of that there one's eye?" and "Why ain't that silver one painted red like he's 'sposed to be?"

To some of us, yeah, those might be important points, but for a lot of us fans, even long timers included (I've been in the fandom since '84!) those little quibbles just don't matter much, at all.

To an outsider looking in, if it hadn't been for Bay's work, we'd still be considered Trekkies or whatever the next label will be. And do you see how silly and crazy those arguments sound? I mean, they really do provide a sense of embarrassment.

After all these years, after all the incarnations we've seen, it's just becoming rather pointless to nitpick every single detail. As for Mudflap blasting his way out of Devastator's eye? Suspension of disbelief. Letting your imagination run wild, and having fun while watching the movie. If the movie's not your cup of tea, fine. Find something else TF related to do. But people, we don't have to deconstruct everything that comes our way.

Whatever happened to just enjoying something and going with the flow? You don't have to roll over and take commands like a pet, but geez...this is not serious business.

It's toys, comics, cartoons, video games, and movies. If you can take that seriously outside of a business point of view, then you're taking it a bit too far.

Hasbro? They should be concerned with how it all does or doesn't work.
Paramount? They should too.

Us? We should enjoy it as best we can, and if we can't, we find something else to bide our time. We don't have to spring a leak due to an ulcer because we over thought how it all works and why this shouldn't be, or that should be, etc.

I go into the toy department, I'm whisked back to my youth. I see Batman, and Power Rangers, and Ninja Turtles, and Star Trek, and of course: TransFormers. How on Earth can I look at that toy aisle and feel anything but a tear in my eye and good memories in my heart?

That's a beautiful moment to have. I realize a new generation will get to fall in love with the characters we love, the stories we love.

Why ruin such a thing over "Bay sucks. Look at this crap. I hate him!" and "Oh these suck so bad!" ?

Sure, there's a lot of the current offering that has glaring problems, I don't deny that. There's a lot wrong with the movies that keep them from being perfect (except they do work as perfect popcorn movies), I don't deny that. But nothing, and no one, is perfect. Our flaws are what makes us individuals, and makes us interesting. (the same goes for our entertainment!)

Once you realize that this is all in the name of fun and doesn't have to be serious business (again, let Hasbro and Paramount deal with that), you might just have a more optimistic opinion.

If you still feel as though it's not what you're looking for, that's fine. Just be a little patient and see what's coming next. If that doesn't work, you can always go backwards to G1 and start collecting them again.

There's something for everyone, all you have to do is stop being closeminded to see it.

Listen buddy, I didn't say one dang thing bad about Bay and I'm not knocking the movie. I freaking loved the movie. You would be hard pressed to find a bigger more loyal Transformer fan than me. I have no problem with Bayformers or any other incarnation of the Transformers universe. I think Bay has done an awesome job with the movies and I think the writers strike played a big role in some problems with the movie, maybe not. I've been a fan of Transformers since 1984 and I'm not going anywhere... I myself hate seeing everybody posting mean things about Bay and how they think the movie sucked big ones, but thats their opinion and they are entitled to it.

Can we be honest? ROTF was a flawed movie in many respects. I'm not telling anyone they can't love it, or they can't hate it. One of my all time favorite movies I freely admit can easily be seen as godawfully bad (1942 _Sahara_). ROTF had its good points, but it had a number of bad ones. Which I will not rehash because that's like old news and this is a new thread.

Now, who is to blame for the hot mess that is ROTF is in a sense a fun exercise, but merely that. Is it Bay? Orci? Kurtzman? I'm of the 'gestalt' theory, myself, for what it's worth. However, the movie made so much money that there's really no honest incentive to change what they percieve 'worked'. He'd said ROTF was going to be 'darker', as well, and we got ass-clown Starscream, the twins, and...Leo.

I hear those of you who hope that this character development will mean the Autobots get some decent individuations and motivations. I have given up hoping the same for my dear 'cons.

I just sincerely hope that Unicron stays away, unless the theme becomes 'Autobots and Decepticons forced to work together to defeat a common foe' which is a) a horrid cliche b) sucky but c) would require characterization that Bay might actually be able to handle (verbal snark).

And while I hope that he means Cybertron, it's primarily because I would really, REALLY like to leave Mikaela Banes lying in a ditch somewhere and get the story back on the robots. And we ALL know that ain't gonna happen.

HK, I'll just go back to quietly hoping they don't do the lamest cliche ever and kill off Starscream.

well,im finally not busy now to where i start commenting again,and this story seems like a good one start.

here is the serious discussion portion of my comment:
well,for tf3,i cant picture them going to cybertron in all honesty,doesn't anyone recall the first movie when they said that cybertron was an empty death-filled wasteland,so why go back.it'd need to be a really good reason,like unicron or perhaps going back to cybertron to look for survivors of the war.

as for unicron(if he's in) maybe they could have him play out like cybertron's version,where he was still the planet killer we know him for,but with a body around the size of tf2 devestator

as for galvatron,i cant picture seeing him.i want them to keep him as megaron for once in a franchise

and for the character development,of the existing characters(in my opinion) only sideswipe,ratchet,jolt,ironhide,soundwave,and maybe bumblebee(if an entire half of the 1st film wasn't enough)

as for new guys,id love too see mirage as a sort of lanky humanoid bot(like frenzy only a bit larger) with a predator style cloaking device.another cool choice could be the duocons(think of it,a plane in the air and a truck crashing into everything going 200 mph and going up a ramp and the plane half catching it to finish the transformation with a big shockwave leveling a city when it lands)
for other characters i think could fit,has there been a transformer that could clone himself as a weapon,or copy another's weapon.that'd be awesome)

now for the not so serious portion:
i also call this rotf in a nutshell
the 120 minute long explosion will happen as optimus drives through some sort of nob-gag bermuda triangle(geuss what that is referencing,and you get an e-cookie).and then a mountain appears in the backround all pixelated and blurry as leo starts throwing kitten calendars at the film crew. oh and there are random cuts to megan fox and shia making out on top of bumblebee.


man it's good to be back!

Nobody knows were Bay will take TF3, he could go anywhere. I don't even think he knows himself, I think he just wings it. I would like to see it take place in Cybertron but only if it is done in the right way. It needs to steer away from the humans and place more time on developing the characters of the Transformers. I certainly hope he does this. I am not completely anti-human, it's just the way that they are portrayed that is the problem. If Sam's parents were killed by 'Cons then that would let them take Sam's character to a much deeper darker place and would dispose of some unnecessary and unwanted baggage and also allow more chance to show how Decepticons think. I would really like it to not just be about a select few Autobots and poor human characters. If they took all the best parts of the first two movies and worked and expanded on that then they could really make an awesome movie. Sadly though I have a bad feeling that they will just introduce more TFs, have bigger explosions, more robot bodily fluids and even more retch worthy gags.

Scatterlung wrote:Oh Bay... Please, please don't make another film.

They were fun an' all but the masturbation, the testicle jokes.. I don't know, man.

Could you just leave Transformers alone? Please?

Seconded. And, fewer explosions and fewer robots? So, basically, we're going to get a film filled with Shia LeBouf and MEgan Fox's "Acting" skills, and more masturbation jokes from no-name actors playing Sam's ever so important parents (cause you know how important they are to giant robot stories.....) who can be said to have ad-libbed their performances and Bay will be proud of how it turned out? Oh boy, can't wait for this. Hey, how about when we've all seen it, we can re-gather here and talk about how much better it was than the 86 movie, and argue as to how big a plot hole must be in order for it to be considered a gapping hole in the plot of a story?