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IDW Go-Bots #1 Review

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Tue Nov 20, 2018 8:06 pm

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A Seibertron.com Review of IDW Go-Bots #1


Synopsis

Go-Bots have changed our way of life. Leader-1 is a self-aware fighter jet on a hostage rescue mission with his partner, Commander Nick Burns. Scooter is the personal transport and best friend to undergrad A.J. Foster. Turbo is Matt Hunter's transforming race car in the hottest sport in America, Go-Bot Racing. Cy-Kill is the champion of the illegal, underground Go-Bot Fighting League. A sophisticated sci-fi epic from the visionary creator that brought you Transformers vs. G.I. JOE. They say they're here to help us, but are they here to replace us?


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They see me rollin'


I will be up front and honest with all of you right now: I know practically nothing of Go-Bots. This is an entirely new experience for me with characters I know absolutely nothing about. If this comic series is not true to the Go-Bots lore, I don't know it. This is my introduction to the world of Go-Bots, so lets see how the premiere issue turned out.

I didn't know what to expect from the series. Tom Scioli did some fantastic stuff with Transformers vs. G.I. Joe, albeit some very strange and unique stuff. So coming into a series about Go-Bots, and basically reinventing the franchise, there were a lot of different ways this could play out, good and bad.

And having read issue 1, I can say with a fair amount of confidence that Scioli really seems to have hit something good.

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Do your thing Leader-1


The issue itself was not lacking in character introductions that flowed well and action outlining this world of Go-Bots that will last for 5 issues. We start right off with action missions starring Leader-1, Go-Bot world building with Scooter that also provides us some necessary background, a pretty cool introduction to Turbo (who became a favorite of mine in the course of this issue), and a totally metal introduction to Cy-Kill, who certainly lives up to his name and reputation.

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A short little history lesson!


The Go-Bots world is built up so fast in just 1 issue, and not in a rushed way. It flows, it feels natural, it gives someone like me who knows nothing of the franchise some background into this strange world. We get to see the line between partners and superiors/inferiors, and how it sets up the big conflict the story is set to tell. Cy-Kill is awesome too, I loved his intro and his characterization so far.

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METAL (in context)


As was the case with TF vs G.I. Joe, Scioli does his own art and lettering, and he keeps up the same art styles that he did with the previous series. And it works really well with the Go-Bots universe. The art has an old-fashioned look to it that really lends itself to packing in action in each page with some pretty spectacular coloring. The scenes that are from Leader-1's view are really cool to see, and the human characters are drawn pretty well too. I appreciate how plain yet still so full the art on the pages can be. And the opening introduction to Cy-Kill was masterfully done as well. Everything about that section of the book was amazing.

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This too is awesome in context


So for an introduction to the Go-Bots, this series was pretty spectacular. The writing was pretty tight and packed with information that doesn't feel rushed in any particular way and gives a lot of necessary information to understand this Go-Bot land. The writing of the characters was convincing and the Go-Bots themselves were pretty fun in their varying personalities. The art was a pretty neat retro style that made me feel like I was reading an 80's era comic and enjoying it for the fun that it is meant to be.

So good job to Tom Scioli, you gave us a great introduction, and I'm really looking forward to what you have to give us next.

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Re: IDW Go-Bots Ongoing Series Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Wed Nov 21, 2018 3:10 am

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Great review dmax! I completely forgot this was out this week!
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Re: IDW Go-Bots Ongoing Series Discussion Thread

Postby Caelus » Wed Nov 21, 2018 7:06 am

I can't get past the art. I've come to loathe the notion of 'retro-style'. Art has improved over time because we have better tools and higher standards. While I understand the historical value of a 1908 Ford Model T, I wouldn't say that a modern car with a modern price tag and 20hp, 15mpg, and a 45mph top speed is 'retro'. I'd say it's overpriced crap. If this were a free web comic like xkcd, I'd understand art looking lackluster and lackadaisical, but it's not free.

And I nearly as much hate the response of, "but the writer did the art himself!" Evidently, he shouldn't have. The country is not lacking for talented, skilled workers desperately trying to make a break into their professions. We don't need comicbook writers doing their own art any more than we need surgeons administering anesthesia, basketball players playing baseball, animators voice-acting, or plumbers rewiring homes. People should have the opportunity to do what they've been trained to do. And people should not be praised for shabby work because of their excellence in a different skill.
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Re: IDW Go-Bots Ongoing Series Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Nov 21, 2018 7:12 am

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Caelus wrote:I can't get past the art. I've come to loathe the notion of 'retro-style'. Art has improved over time because we have better tools and higher standards. While I understand the historical value of a 1908 Ford Model T, I wouldn't say that a modern car with a modern price tag and 20hp, 15mpg, and a 45mph top speed is 'retro'. I'd say it's overpriced crap. If this were a free web comic like xkcd, I'd understand art looking lackluster and lackadaisical, but it's not free.

And I nearly as much hate the response of, "but the writer did the art himself!" Evidently, he shouldn't have. The country is not lacking for talented, skilled workers desperately trying to make a break into their professions. We don't need comicbook writers doing their own art any more than we need surgeons administering anesthesia, basketball players playing baseball, animators voice-acting, or plumbers rewiring homes. People should have the opportunity to do what they've been trained to do. And people should not be praised for shabby work because of their excellence in a different skill.
The art style is deliberately meant to be a loving tribute to that of the late great Jack "The King" Kirby.
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Re: IDW Go-Bots Ongoing Series Discussion Thread

Postby Caelus » Wed Nov 21, 2018 7:52 am

Sabrblade wrote:
Caelus wrote:I can't get past the art. I've come to loathe the notion of 'retro-style'. Art has improved over time because we have better tools and higher standards. While I understand the historical value of a 1908 Ford Model T, I wouldn't say that a modern car with a modern price tag and 20hp, 15mpg, and a 45mph top speed is 'retro'. I'd say it's overpriced crap. If this were a free web comic like xkcd, I'd understand art looking lackluster and lackadaisical, but it's not free.

And I nearly as much hate the response of, "but the writer did the art himself!" Evidently, he shouldn't have. The country is not lacking for talented, skilled workers desperately trying to make a break into their professions. We don't need comicbook writers doing their own art any more than we need surgeons administering anesthesia, basketball players playing baseball, animators voice-acting, or plumbers rewiring homes. People should have the opportunity to do what they've been trained to do. And people should not be praised for shabby work because of their excellence in a different skill.
The art style is deliberately meant to be a loving tribute to that of the late great Jack "The King" Kirby.


First, a crappy product rendered deliberately crappy, is still crappy.

Second, I can google search "Jack Kirby Art" and find no shortage of work that is superior to this. This seems to copy his worst work and - with its faded colors and yellowed pages - it 'lovingly' reproduces his work's worst translation to physical print. This art, and the art on Transformers vs. GIJoe, is UGLY by any standard.

Even the Big Looker storybooks I had when I was a kid had better art than this.

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But no one's asking for a slavish reproduction of that. Work that was 'good for its time' is not good now.

I wouldn't pay full price for a comic series drawn in the style of the Lascaux paintings, either, and their creators arguably represent a much more significant contribution to to art history than Jack Kirby. While Kirby should maybe be praised for his contributions, people copying his now very dated style and justifying it with Gen-X-baiting buzzwords like 'homage,' 'tribute,' or 'nostalgic' shouldn't be. If Spielberg had made Jurassic Park with stop-motion animation and low quality film, no one would have praised it for being a "loving tribute" to Ray Harryhausen - they would have said it was antiquated and embarrassing.
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Re: IDW Go-Bots Ongoing Series Discussion Thread

Postby ScottyP » Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:10 am

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Caelus wrote:I can't get past the art. I've come to loathe the notion of 'retro-style'. Art has improved over time because we have better tools and higher standards. While I understand the historical value of a 1908 Ford Model T, I wouldn't say that a modern car with a modern price tag and 20hp, 15mpg, and a 45mph top speed is 'retro'. I'd say it's overpriced crap. If this were a free web comic like xkcd, I'd understand art looking lackluster and lackadaisical, but it's not free.

And I nearly as much hate the response of, "but the writer did the art himself!" Evidently, he shouldn't have. The country is not lacking for talented, skilled workers desperately trying to make a break into their professions. We don't need comicbook writers doing their own art any more than we need surgeons administering anesthesia, basketball players playing baseball, animators voice-acting, or plumbers rewiring homes. People should have the opportunity to do what they've been trained to do. And people should not be praised for shabby work because of their excellence in a different skill.
To echo Sabrblade's point, which is likely in vain but seriously I'm not trying to change your mind which is clearly made up: it looks like this on purpose. Scioli is drawing and coloring these on bristol board while the letters are hand written and scanned in. This griping about the art is akin to comparing a plastic flower pot at Lowe's to one made by hand at a pottery workshop. It's ok if it's not for you but railing against the entire point of following this method while also insulting it? You can do better :)

Aaanyway.

This comic really caught me off guard when I picked it up on Saturday (a local comic shop day exclusive cover was available) and it's a super fun direction. Scioli mentions in the back pages something like (paraphrasing) "I wanted to make Go-Bots actually good" and so far I think this succeeds. The human pov characters are diverse and not just for the sake of it. The individual Go-Bots have their own personalities, and the explanation for the term "Renegades" is well done. Cy-Kill even gets introduced in a way that can't be an accidental homage to Megatron: Origins and it's such a fun touch.
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Re: IDW Go-Bots Ongoing Series Discussion Thread

Postby Caelus » Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:23 am

ScottyP wrote:To echo Sabrblade's point, which is likely in vain but seriously I'm not trying to change your mind which is clearly made up: it looks like this on purpose.

Yeah, I get that it is deliberately bad. But deliberately bad is still bad.

Scioli is drawing and coloring these on bristol board while the letters are hand written and scanned in.

Yes, that's part of the problem with it. If someone illustrated a comic series by chewing up some flowers, spitting them on a page, and spreading them around with their fingers, would you say it looked good? Doubtful.

This griping about the art is akin to comparing a plastic flower pot at Lowe's to one made by hand at a pottery workshop.

No, this is comparing something made by hand by one 'artist' using antiquated methods to copy an older artist's work with now dated techniques to produce something that is ultimately of inferior aesthetic quality to the work that would be produced by a group of talented, well trained people using modern technology. Do you think Jack Kirby would like it? It's emphasizing all of the limitations he probably found frustrating.

Just because a Luddite's work is 'artisanal' doesn't make it good. Maybe for a variant cover or something, but an entire comic book series? There's a reason we haven't brought back silent movies and phrenology - the old ways of doing things are seldom better than the new ways of doing them.

It's ok if it's not for you...

Obviously, you're entitled to like an inferior product if you want to, but to me, having to see that and thinking about what we could have gotten if people weren't caught up in hero-worshiping the 'greatest generation' and praising people for under-performing, is like getting one's genitals stomped on with a stiletto heel - there are some people who really like that, but I'm still going to call it sadomasochism.

... but railing against the entire point of following this method while also insulting it? You can do better :)

Hey, those were danged good insults.
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Re: IDW Go-Bots Ongoing Series Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:25 am

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ScottyP wrote:
Caelus wrote:I can't get past the art. I've come to loathe the notion of 'retro-style'. Art has improved over time because we have better tools and higher standards. While I understand the historical value of a 1908 Ford Model T, I wouldn't say that a modern car with a modern price tag and 20hp, 15mpg, and a 45mph top speed is 'retro'. I'd say it's overpriced crap. If this were a free web comic like xkcd, I'd understand art looking lackluster and lackadaisical, but it's not free.

And I nearly as much hate the response of, "but the writer did the art himself!" Evidently, he shouldn't have. The country is not lacking for talented, skilled workers desperately trying to make a break into their professions. We don't need comicbook writers doing their own art any more than we need surgeons administering anesthesia, basketball players playing baseball, animators voice-acting, or plumbers rewiring homes. People should have the opportunity to do what they've been trained to do. And people should not be praised for shabby work because of their excellence in a different skill.
To echo Sabrblade's point, which is likely in vain but seriously I'm not trying to change your mind which is clearly made up: it looks like this on purpose. Scioli is drawing and coloring these on bristol board while the letters are hand written and scanned in. This griping about the art is akin to comparing a plastic flower pot at Lowe's to one made by hand at a pottery workshop. It's ok if it's not for you but railing against the entire point of following this method while also insulting it? You can do better :)

Aaanyway.

This comic really caught me off guard when I picked it up on Saturday (a local comic shop day exclusive cover was available) and it's a super fun direction. Scioli mentions in the back pages something like (paraphrasing) "I wanted to make Go-Bots actually good" and so far I think this succeeds. The human pov characters are diverse and not just for the sake of it. The individual Go-Bots have their own personalities, and the explanation for the term "Renegades" is well done. Cy-Kill even gets introduced in a way that can't be an accidental homage to Megatron: Origins and it's such a fun touch.

You mean like how Megatron killed Cy-kill in said book? ;-)
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Re: IDW Go-Bots Ongoing Series Discussion Thread

Postby Dark Ops » Thu Nov 22, 2018 11:47 am

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Chalk me up as someone who can't get past the art either. In the span of three pages, Leader-1 went from a F-15 to a 14 to a 18 and back. When characters depend on being recognized in both modes, but the writer artst can't be bothered to find a reference beyond "jet fighter", and generates mostly white space in oversized, empty word balloons? Hard pass. "Quirky" is fine. This is lazy.
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Re: IDW Go-Bots Ongoing Series Discussion Thread

Postby Supreme Convoy » Sat Nov 24, 2018 7:54 pm

Only Tom Scioli would get me excited about Go-Bots!

And I love this Jack Kirby homage.
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Re: IDW Go-Bots Ongoing Series Discussion Thread

Postby MagicDeath » Mon Nov 26, 2018 5:03 pm

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It’s like a comedy about bad actors. It may not be everyone’s cup of tea, but it’s entirely deliberate. For whatever reason, people are willing to pay for something than is painstakingly crafted to be objectively terrible.

I’m not trying to insult anyone’s taste here. I actually find the art amusing and it reminds me of a child’s imagination. I just thought this might help anyone confused as to why this man is hired to do what he’s doing.
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Re: IDW Go-Bots Ongoing Series Discussion Thread

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:44 pm

After seeing one of the Bayformers, I once joked about how funny it would be if someone took Go-Bots and made it something better than Transformers.

Fast Forward to 2018 and someone DID

This is the most impressed I've been with a premier issue for years. To go a step further, I haven't been so taken by an IDW book since Last Stand of The Wreckers. Not to say it is on par with that (yet). But I certainly think higher of one issue of Go-Bots than I have with most of what I've read of IDWverse post-LSoTW.
The visual narrative and aesthetic really appeals to my tastes. I appreciate the stylistic choices too from an art educated background.
Although to be fair, to those unfamiliar with Go-Bots, the main difference between this and the original cartoon appears to be a conscious decision by Scioli to remove the Transformers-esk concepts IE Space faring alien sentients, Gobotron and the cyborg origins.
The designs of the characters seem more faithful to Machine Robo than the cartoon also, which I like.

a 9/10 from me.
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