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Randomhero wrote:ScottyP wrote:I have some company over so therefore very little time to post, but really quick:
- I really really liked this issue!
- I disagree with all of you that have posted in various ways - see above though.
- The pacing, starting with 10, is like an accelerating train. A few pages into this, it's going full speed. How many folks complained about how slow the series was and how nothing was going on in some of the issues related to the quest? Well, here you go, this is pretty huge to the quest - but now you're complaining about everything else. Temper expectations, enjoy the ride!
Yeah all it took was piss poor writing, ignoring continuity, the crew being brainwashed with others dying and tortured and a captain doing it all to be right.
Yeah great story.
It was nice to see Star saber was also just outside Cyberutopia to get picked up. There’s another for continuity
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:When the review was being written, I had plenty of thoughts for both Va'al and Scotty as to why this was a bad issue, and I'll share here too, because I really did find this to be very bad.
First up: This story went way too far into showing how horrible a character Roberts has made Getaway, and it is not in a good way. And it's a trend for the trilogy.
Randomhero wrote:Nexus Knight wrote:Randomhero wrote:CONTINUITY! Who gives a- !
Actually, this feels out of place for Roberts. I'm not going to give my own thoughts about the story, but I want to point out that Roberts really hasn't had a problem with continuity before. He takes obscure stuff and makes them interesting, which is why (up to the Mutineers Trilogy) I respect him as a writer. Which makes the flop in how the dead limb works a bit puzzling to me.
Oh like hell its out of place. Whenever someone catches it he admits and says he’ll fix it for the Trade.
Flywheels Devine search for the Necrobot. That was Misfire
Calling Impactor a point one percenter. Only constructed cold bits were tried by Aquitus
Several interactions with thunderclash that are impossible due to him in a coma.
Hellbat in this very issue part of Liokaiser even though he’s dead.
Mirage being ignored as a Combiner in this issue and using Ambulon
Duplicate Magnus bring inflicted with Nanocons except the same nanocons we’re dead and we’re only resurrected because Metrotitans scream. That lost Light wasn’t near that planet and if it was the other lost light would start to disappear
Nexus Knight wrote:Randomhero wrote:Nexus Knight wrote:Randomhero wrote:CONTINUITY! Who gives a- !
Actually, this feels out of place for Roberts. I'm not going to give my own thoughts about the story, but I want to point out that Roberts really hasn't had a problem with continuity before. He takes obscure stuff and makes them interesting, which is why (up to the Mutineers Trilogy) I respect him as a writer. Which makes the flop in how the dead limb works a bit puzzling to me.
Oh like hell its out of place. Whenever someone catches it he admits and says he’ll fix it for the Trade.
Flywheels Devine search for the Necrobot. That was Misfire
Calling Impactor a point one percenter. Only constructed cold bits were tried by Aquitus
Several interactions with thunderclash that are impossible due to him in a coma.
Hellbat in this very issue part of Liokaiser even though he’s dead.
Mirage being ignored as a Combiner in this issue and using Ambulon
Duplicate Magnus bring inflicted with Nanocons except the same nanocons we’re dead and we’re only resurrected because Metrotitans scream. That lost Light wasn’t near that planet and if it was the other lost light would start to disappear
The first two and the last one happened over a scale of fifty-five issues. Connecting to continuity for over the past ten years. I'm not surprised by this, he's human and can make mistakes, even with his own stories (some writers will do this, myself included). The others are mistakes that happened recently, within the span of the last twelve issues. I feel like something else may be up behind Roberts' control or he is starting to suffer writer's fatigue.
Nexus Knight wrote:Randomhero wrote:Nexus Knight wrote:Randomhero wrote:CONTINUITY! Who gives a- !
Actually, this feels out of place for Roberts. I'm not going to give my own thoughts about the story, but I want to point out that Roberts really hasn't had a problem with continuity before. He takes obscure stuff and makes them interesting, which is why (up to the Mutineers Trilogy) I respect him as a writer. Which makes the flop in how the dead limb works a bit puzzling to me.
Oh like hell its out of place. Whenever someone catches it he admits and says he’ll fix it for the Trade.
Flywheels Devine search for the Necrobot. That was Misfire
Calling Impactor a point one percenter. Only constructed cold bits were tried by Aquitus
Several interactions with thunderclash that are impossible due to him in a coma.
Hellbat in this very issue part of Liokaiser even though he’s dead.
Mirage being ignored as a Combiner in this issue and using Ambulon
Duplicate Magnus bring inflicted with Nanocons except the same nanocons we’re dead and we’re only resurrected because Metrotitans scream. That lost Light wasn’t near that planet and if it was the other lost light would start to disappear
The first two and the last one happened over a scale of fifty-five issues. Connecting to continuity for over the past ten years. I'm not surprised by this, he's human and can make mistakes, even with his own stories (some writers will do this, myself included). The others are mistakes that happened recently, within the span of the last twelve issues.
What I'm trying to say in too many words is this: These slip ups are beginning to become more commonplace for someone who is regarded as an excellent writer. I feel like something else may be up behind Roberts' control or he is starting to suffer writer's fatigue.
Randomhero wrote:Nexus Knight wrote:Randomhero wrote:Nexus Knight wrote:Randomhero wrote:CONTINUITY! Who gives a- !
Actually, this feels out of place for Roberts. I'm not going to give my own thoughts about the story, but I want to point out that Roberts really hasn't had a problem with continuity before. He takes obscure stuff and makes them interesting, which is why (up to the Mutineers Trilogy) I respect him as a writer. Which makes the flop in how the dead limb works a bit puzzling to me.
Oh like hell its out of place. Whenever someone catches it he admits and says he’ll fix it for the Trade.
Flywheels Devine search for the Necrobot. That was Misfire
Calling Impactor a point one percenter. Only constructed cold bits were tried by Aquitus
Several interactions with thunderclash that are impossible due to him in a coma.
Hellbat in this very issue part of Liokaiser even though he’s dead.
Mirage being ignored as a Combiner in this issue and using Ambulon
Duplicate Magnus bring inflicted with Nanocons except the same nanocons we’re dead and we’re only resurrected because Metrotitans scream. That lost Light wasn’t near that planet and if it was the other lost light would start to disappear
The first two and the last one happened over a scale of fifty-five issues. Connecting to continuity for over the past ten years. I'm not surprised by this, he's human and can make mistakes, even with his own stories (some writers will do this, myself included). The others are mistakes that happened recently, within the span of the last twelve issues.
What I'm trying to say in too many words is this: These slip ups are beginning to become more commonplace for someone who is regarded as an excellent writer. I feel like something else may be up behind Roberts' control or he is starting to suffer writer's fatigue.
No they didnt. The flywheels error happened in issues 7 and 8. Issue 7 revealed Misfire has always been obsessed with the necrobot and in the very Next issue They are standing I’ve ivet flywheels remind with Misfire himself sayibg Flywheels never fulfilled his dream of finding the Necrobot. Literally one issue at another. Cut to 6 months and it’s ommited from the trade.
As for Magnus? Not 50 issues, try less than 20. A year and half later. When asked Roberts skirted around the guff
This is a writer who makes backs to something that happen 5-7 years earlier so yeah make excuse so and blame fatigue
Like I’ve said before. There’s plenty of people that will just ignore blatant problems and believe Roberts infallible. It’s ridiculous
Va'al wrote: He's essentially a Prowlified Megatron.
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:When the review was being written, I had plenty of thoughts for both Va'al and Scotty as to why this was a bad issue, and I'll share here too, because I really did find this to be very bad.
First up: This story went way too far into showing how horrible a character Roberts has made Getaway, and it is not in a good way. And it's a trend for the trilogy.
Also, really, they kill Rook in his sleep and then kill the rest of Defensor when he forms up almost immediately? And then Atomizer when he decides he's done? This whole story has gone so far that there isn't a realistic way it can be fixed. The memory adjustment thing while killing crew members thing has destroyed the trilogy for me. It's a story that has tried to go too big with not good material.
To add to this: Rook. Roberts has proven to be good at making new or rarely used characters really good characters, and here poor Rook gets killed in his sleep with almost no chance to be developed as a character
And then a 2nd, more detailed sort of thoughts that uses plenty of thoughts from previous comments.
Pacing: I did not like it. The first 5 pages of the issue seen in the full preview had almost nothing to do with the rest of the issue, things progressed so quickly. The part with Rook was really the only place I can say it felt the page used the amount of content it needed to. I don't see your character moments Scotty: some characters went so fast we never got any moments. Atomizer and Riptide were the only ones that we saw anything from, which is really disappointing. And the whole end scene with the Protectobots and Star Saber felt very wrong. The body count was there, but it was poorly set up and poorly done. That may be the thing I hate most about the issue.
the Ambulon thing was surprising, but I felt wholly unnecessary. Mirage was a combiner limb, he should have been able to do that just as well. And how does Getaway know they combine anyway? That part was weird that he would know that.
Star Saber was a surprise, but really though? I thought wherever Tyrest went, he would end up going too. We have to get those 2 and Pharma back for the book to finish, but this didn't feel like the way to bring him in. Also, I was very irritated with the fact he smashed a combiner with almost no effort while cutting Mirage to pieces. That section was one of the most rushed and badly done.
Setup for the Scavengers issue, ok, but it felt like a random addition. And Liokaiser? How?
Density: I feel like issue 12 of LL and issue 13 of OP were opposites: OP13 was how you do lots on content well, LL12 was how you do it badly.
In summary: felt rushed at the wrong moments, very little in the way of characters, very poor choices for events to unfold in my opinion, art was questionable (Lawrence was doing good, but I felt his art slipped this issue, as Griffith's did for a rare once), and it didn't fit with the story so far. Not to mention it is a month behind now? And the actual events going on here: Last issue was in line with ex-RiD 50/51, so the story is still really lagging behind, not to mention now they are jumping back in time with this Warren thing. Oh, and Getaway is not a good character. Roberts has made him awful, and not in a good way in the slightest.
Final Summation thought
I have been very critical of the series, that is true, sometimes excessively so. But I'm not happy with it compared to the mtmte title. It feels less focused, and pieces don't feel as good. The highlight of the series for me so far is the reveal of Scorponok at the end of issue 9. About this time in seasons 1 and 2, we had an amazing story, the shadow play and time travel stories, and this did not live up to those midseason hits. I'm feeling disappointed in the book, and it keeps frustrating me.
I'm also afraid of us reaching a marvel G1 moment where the end of/certain mcguffin from the story revives all the dead, making their deaths meaningless. And with the latest 3 issues and getaways issues killing large numbers of the crew and constantly editing minds, I think the story has started down a rabbit hole it can't dig itself out of without being bad. Which i don't want it to. I love the premise, but lost light has lost they mtmte touch
I really, really hope that is what's happening, it's the only way this mess can be solved.Black Bumblebee wrote:Is it possible that all of this is just a dream in Getaway's head that Sunder is using on him, while slowly killing him?
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
That would make sense...avarathriul wrote:I thoroughly enjoyed it, though I imagine we are not getting the whole story as of yet. Still it is exciting and I am glad to know that no one is safe in this story, it makes me feel even more attached to the various characters, and heartbroken when they fall.
Plus well, I would buy entire books about the Scavangers.
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
Deadput wrote:That would make sense...avarathriul wrote:I thoroughly enjoyed it, though I imagine we are not getting the whole story as of yet. Still it is exciting and I am glad to know that no one is safe in this story, it makes me feel even more attached to the various characters, and heartbroken when they fall.
Plus well, I would buy entire books about the Scavangers.
If we actually knew and got attached to these characters, don't tell me your attached to Rook from a toy, a bio and barley any fiction to go with him
Besides Mirage and maybe Atomizer none of the characters that died had any depth in this continuity they were all wasted opportunity, it's like if Roberts did not want to play with some of his toys but wrecked them all so no one else could ever use them.
Roberts can't write a satisfying conclusion in most of his stories most of MTMTE has been building up mysteries and then dropping the ball with the results almost everytime for example Tarn.
Not surprised though Roberts hates combiners so it's not unexpected he would take the first opportunity to slaughter them, pretty similar to his constant disrespect towards the Japanese Transformers such as Star Saber and Deathsaurus.
Va'al wrote:Randomhero wrote:ScottyP wrote:I have some company over so therefore very little time to post, but really quick:
- I really really liked this issue!
- I disagree with all of you that have posted in various ways - see above though.
- The pacing, starting with 10, is like an accelerating train. A few pages into this, it's going full speed. How many folks complained about how slow the series was and how nothing was going on in some of the issues related to the quest? Well, here you go, this is pretty huge to the quest - but now you're complaining about everything else. Temper expectations, enjoy the ride!
Yeah all it took was piss poor writing, ignoring continuity, the crew being brainwashed with others dying and tortured and a captain doing it all to be right.
Yeah great story.
It was nice to see Star saber was also just outside Cyberutopia to get picked up. There’s another for continuity
But those things you point out are not necessarily a fault of the writing, just a choice made for the characters that doesn't fit with what you wanted for them, or read into them based on your reading. There is nothing wrong with the story, but I do have issues with the pacing.
Look at Sins of the Wreckers, look at Last Stand, look at Slaughterhouse. The way Pipes and Ambulon were taken out of the scene were brutal, horrible, visceral. They were no better nor worse than what we see here. The difference, as I see it? It was set up with better timing.
Plus, the continuity errors (seriously, once comics worlds stop caring about canons and continuity the better) are not just the writer's fault - where were the editors?
A note: I'd really like the discussion here to remain within civil parameters. I get it that people are annoyed, angry, or upset, but it really puts off having a conversation about a piece of fiction when the negativity is dolloped onto what could be valid criticism of the work. Please!
Mr.MicroMaster wrote:Spoilers! I literally just read this issue, so I literally just saw my favorite combiner get brutally gun downed by his fellow Autobots. I'm beyond upset and disappointed have no words to describe my anger. For me this was worse then the cast cull of the 86 movie and as bad as the gratuitous violence of the Bay films. I personally expected much better from Roberts. On another note as some who did not personally grow up with G1 when it first aired but grew up with the rhino VHS of the 86 movie, the 25th anniversary season one DVD, and the Hub reruns I love G1 as much as somebody who actually grew up with it. An what happened to Mirage and Rook is worse then what Bay did Ironhide. If a woke up tomorrow and find out this book was canceled after issue twenty I wouldn't be upset which is heartbroken for me because its predecessor More Than Meets the Eyes was one of the first comics I ever read. As said before we all know Roberts can right better stories than this trash. This is the worst comic I have ever read. I'm going to give Roberts till at least issue 20 and if I don't think it has improved I'm dropping the title which truly sad for me to say. Final note if told me five hours ago I would hate this issue I would've laughed and said your crazy and hope Getaway has the worst death in the history of comics he is more Megatron than Optimus. But hey that's just my opinion.
Mr.MicroMaster wrote:Va'al wrote:Randomhero wrote:ScottyP wrote:I have some company over so therefore very little time to post, but really quick:
- I really really liked this issue!
- I disagree with all of you that have posted in various ways - see above though.
- The pacing, starting with 10, is like an accelerating train. A few pages into this, it's going full speed. How many folks complained about how slow the series was and how nothing was going on in some of the issues related to the quest? Well, here you go, this is pretty huge to the quest - but now you're complaining about everything else. Temper expectations, enjoy the ride!
Yeah all it took was piss poor writing, ignoring continuity, the crew being brainwashed with others dying and tortured and a captain doing it all to be right.
Yeah great story.
It was nice to see Star saber was also just outside Cyberutopia to get picked up. There’s another for continuity
But those things you point out are not necessarily a fault of the writing, just a choice made for the characters that doesn't fit with what you wanted for them, or read into them based on your reading. There is nothing wrong with the story, but I do have issues with the pacing.
Look at Sins of the Wreckers, look at Last Stand, look at Slaughterhouse. The way Pipes and Ambulon were taken out of the scene were brutal, horrible, visceral. They were no better nor worse than what we see here. The difference, as I see it? It was set up with better timing.
Plus, the continuity errors (seriously, once comics worlds stop caring about canons and continuity the better) are not just the writer's fault - where were the editors?
A note: I'd really like the discussion here to remain within civil parameters. I get it that people are annoyed, angry, or upset, but it really puts off having a conversation about a piece of fiction when the negativity is dolloped onto what could be valid criticism of the work. Please!
After reading the other posts on this thread I'm not sure what to think. One thing have to about the deaths in Last Stand of the Wreckers for the most part meant something an the story around them was truly wonderful and smart the deaths in this story mean nothing and the story around them is not great but it was at one point. In my opinion the deaths in this issue carry no weight and that is what upsets me most. I can't wait to hear you and ScottyP talk about this issue I'm truly interested to hear your opinion and view and I've a feeling I'll respect it. But hey that just my opinion.You and the Twincasts fan M.Master.
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