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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:14 am

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ScottyP wrote:I'm surprised by the negativity. I guess I shouldn't be around you Buzz Killingtons but here we are >:oP

I'm not even going to argue, some of y'all will find a way to dislike literally anything.

Carrying on then, how great was Fulcrum at being this comic's Buzz Killington? Even has the chin.



And yet there’s plenty that will like it souly for being James Roberts. Plenty of people who will put on rose tinted glasses and act like nothing is wrong because it’s their favorite book and refused to believe there can be anything wrong with it.

But Roberts has been like this before. He does tend to tell more than to show sometimes especially since his books are more about interpersonal relationships rather than something bombastic. So it could be that people like him because of this different writing technique and while the parts one dislikes about his writing are made more obvious in this issue, this same aspect could be loved by others and thus they dont mind at all what they get in this issue.

The author is not for everyone, but thats why I think he is so beloved. Its kinda like me and David Lynch. That director is clearly not for everyone, but some people dont mind when he goes full on Lynch!
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:20 am

Va'al wrote:I want to see anyone trying to stop Rodimus from talking about how right he is.



Megatron did in the ongoing #14. He blew a giant hole in his chest with his railgun, killing him and sending him through space.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby Va'al » Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:29 am

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Va'al wrote:I want to see anyone trying to stop Rodimus from talking about how right he is.



Megatron did in the ongoing #14. He blew a giant hole in his chest with his railgun, killing him and sending him through space.


Sometimes, I do wish...
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby ScottyP » Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:43 am

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ScottyP wrote:I'm surprised by the negativity. I guess I shouldn't be around you Buzz Killingtons but here we are >:oP

I'm not even going to argue, some of y'all will find a way to dislike literally anything.

Carrying on then, how great was Fulcrum at being this comic's Buzz Killington? Even has the chin.

And yet there’s plenty that will like it souly for being James Roberts. Plenty of people who will put on rose tinted glasses and act like nothing is wrong because it’s their favorite book and refused to believe there can be anything wrong with it.
I could nitpick it all day. Cyclonus and Tailgate was emotionally powerful but took too much page space, had at least one cringey line of dialogue, and was resolved too easily. But when I step back and try to see the forest for the trees, it's fine. I'd rather spend the last 3.5-4 months of this continuity having fun and speculating and discussing than I would bitching.

I also like how Roberts dgaf about accepted comic book wisdom because a lot of accepted comic book wisdom leads to stories that don't matter and books not worth their cover price. Every time I try out some Marvel book I'm turned off by how vapid they are because they lean too hard on visual storytelling. There's a balance to be achieved and depending on the type of story being told that balance can shift. A hard sci-fi, character driven book like Lost Light needs to be dialogue heavy and exposition heavy. It'd be an unintelligible mess incapable of telling its story without it.

Meanwhile, give something like Scarlett's Strike Force that balance and you'd lose its soul. That's light on words and heavy on visuals and it works - it's an action story. Lost Light has action but is not an action story so it changes the balance.

I don't know why I typed all this, it won't change anyone's mind, but you implied I was defending the book like a loyal dog and that is insulting.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:56 am

william-james88 wrote:
Randomhero wrote:
ScottyP wrote:I'm surprised by the negativity. I guess I shouldn't be around you Buzz Killingtons but here we are >:oP

I'm not even going to argue, some of y'all will find a way to dislike literally anything.

Carrying on then, how great was Fulcrum at being this comic's Buzz Killington? Even has the chin.



And yet there’s plenty that will like it souly for being James Roberts. Plenty of people who will put on rose tinted glasses and act like nothing is wrong because it’s their favorite book and refused to believe there can be anything wrong with it.

But Roberts has been like this before. He does tend to tell more than to show sometimes especially since his books are more about interpersonal relationships rather than something bombastic. So it could be that people like him because of this different writing technique and while the parts one dislikes about his writing are made more obvious in this issue, this same aspect could be loved by others and thus they dont mind at all what they get in this issue.

The author is not for everyone, but thats why I think he is so beloved. Its kinda like me and David Lynch. That director is clearly not for everyone, but some people dont mind when he goes full on Lynch!



And I dont understand the belovedness. I don’t!

That being said I didn’t hate the book. I liked the story but disliked the execution. I enjoyed the reveal of the knights but hated the execution of just standing and explaining it all.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:49 am

ScottyP wrote:
Randomhero wrote:
ScottyP wrote:I'm surprised by the negativity. I guess I shouldn't be around you Buzz Killingtons but here we are >:oP

I'm not even going to argue, some of y'all will find a way to dislike literally anything.

Carrying on then, how great was Fulcrum at being this comic's Buzz Killington? Even has the chin.

And yet there’s plenty that will like it souly for being James Roberts. Plenty of people who will put on rose tinted glasses and act like nothing is wrong because it’s their favorite book and refused to believe there can be anything wrong with it.
I could nitpick it all day. Cyclonus and Tailgate was emotionally powerful but took too much page space, had at least one cringey line of dialogue, and was resolved too easily. But when I step back and try to see the forest for the trees, it's fine. I'd rather spend the last 3.5-4 months of this continuity having fun and speculating and discussing than I would bitching.

I also like how Roberts dgaf about accepted comic book wisdom because a lot of accepted comic book wisdom leads to stories that don't matter and books not worth their cover price. Every time I try out some Marvel book I'm turned off by how vapid they are because they lean too hard on visual storytelling. There's a balance to be achieved and depending on the type of story being told that balance can shift. A hard sci-fi, character driven book like Lost Light needs to be dialogue heavy and exposition heavy. It'd be an unintelligible mess incapable of telling its story without it.

Meanwhile, give something like Scarlett's Strike Force that balance and you'd lose its soul. That's light on words and heavy on visuals and it works - it's an action story. Lost Light has action but is not an action story so it changes the balance.

I don't know why I typed all this, it won't change anyone's mind, but you implied I was defending the book like a loyal dog and that is insulting.


Because every time there is issues with conduits or pacing or anything critical you fully admit you don’t care because you like MTME/LL. Yeah that’s putting on the rose glasses
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:33 am

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But couldn't issues like that very in the eye of the beholder? As I said, we all have different biases. What difference does it make if people aren't bothered by the problems you see?

As Scottish said, I'm glad James writes his own style, not for everyone but they don't have to read it, like I don't touch anything by Frank miller these days. He has his fans but his work is not for me.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby DarkEnergon » Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:23 am

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Ok, I'm really confused, but kind of excited, too. Here is one spoiler question someone has got to be able to explain to me:

Why the @#$@ are Perceptor, Hound, etc. sparkeaters?

Did I miss something, or is it just implied that Getaway did something?
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby Stormshot_Prime » Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:20 pm

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DarkEnergon wrote:Ok, I'm really confused, but kind of excited, too. Here is one spoiler question someone has got to be able to explain to me:

Why the @#$@ are Perceptor, Hound, etc. sparkeaters?

Did I miss something, or is it just implied that Getaway did something?


We can only assume. Remember the sparkeater gun that Brainstorm created? This seems to be playing off the vision that Drift has back in issue 1, so there’s also a big possibility that Pharma is at work here too. If his body was dragged to this medical facility, we can only assume he was repaired before his spark faded.

Which raises another question, was the place Skids saw through the portal this same “Cyberutopia”? What of those orbs of light speaking in symbols?
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:35 pm

Stormshot_Prime wrote:Which raises another question, was the place Skids saw through the portal this same “Cyberutopia”? What of those orbs of light speaking in symbols?

I really hope they answer that.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:26 pm

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As much as I think they have solved the Cyberutopia thing, there are still so many questions with possible answers but nothing concrete. I didn't mind the issue, not mind blowingly awesome, but still good. I think my favorite issue of LL so far was somewhere in 13-15, so it's been better lately.

So to recap what will need answered (and Roberts said everything will be answered), most likely missing some cause I'm me:

How did Tailgate not fade away?

Did Tailgate really die on the Necroworld?

What is up with Necroworld? The foundry from which Cybertron was poured?

The Lost Light and the new crewmember sparkeater army?

First Aid, Thunderclash, and Riptide?

The members reduced to life cords?

Tyrest, Pharma, the Grand Architect?

Grimlock, Scorponok, Flame?

All the talk of warped essence, trapped light, etc. on the spiritual and sort of metaphysical level?

Skid's adventure from issue 21 of MTMTE?

Luna 1 has to be involved somehow. The engines for the planet are in the shape of the 5 clans symbols. and gives us an excuse to see Fort Max and crew again.

Ten having a spark?

Rung's actual alt mode meaning?

Will nautica regain her feelings for Skids?

Will Skids and his trip from MTMTE 21 play a part as in will Skids actually be brought back or something like that?

What planet did the LL crew actually see at the end of 12? were they actually nearly dead and seeing a make believe planet too?

And probably more yet to answer.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby Cheesinator » Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:07 pm

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ScottyP wrote:I'm surprised by the negativity. I guess I shouldn't be around you Buzz Killingtons but here we are >:oP

I'm not even going to argue, some of y'all will find a way to dislike literally anything.

Carrying on then, how great was Fulcrum at being this comic's Buzz Killington? Even has the chin.


Transformers fandom in a nutshell. :lol:

I liked it. Sad to think to even imagine we're coming to an end with our time in this 'verse.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby SynchroBunny » Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:03 pm

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Cheesinator wrote:I liked it. Sad to think to even imagine we're coming to an end with our time in this 'verse.


Same here. MTMTE/LL for me was a nice little emotional rollercoaster, with some odd-ball characters and a good dose of mystery/conspiracy.

While, yes, I have been enjoying OP and have enjoyed Windblade and the -ation runs, I just didn't feel as attached or enjoyed them as much as MTMTE/LL.

I just found them to be less "political" and more "lets just have some fun" while tossing mysteries in.

I'm really gonna miss the crew's shenanigans. But that's just me.

Question though. In the funtionist universe, who was responsible for Megs getting left behind in the wrong building?
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby snavej » Fri Jun 15, 2018 7:02 am

So the Rodimus gang worked out what Mederi was quite quickly but all the Knights of Cybertron and their Titan(s) didn't, at least not until it was too late? I'm not sure about the likelihood of that.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Fri Jun 15, 2018 7:13 am

SynchroBunny wrote:While, yes, I have enjoyed the -ation runs, I just didn't feel as attached or enjoyed them as much as MTMTE/LL.

I just found them to be less "political" and more "lets just have some fun" while tossing mysteries in.



Personally I thought the opposite. You had thrilling action storylines in LSoTW (still the best story of IDWverse to me) and Stormbringer. You also had Megatron and the Decepticons given actual intelligence and forethought behind their machinations for the first time, via Origin and the Six Phase Protocols.

A lot of what I've read of RiD/OP and MTMTE/LL just gives off the vibe of "people in robot suits". Discounting what makes the Transformers a unique species in exchange for what is more relatable to the mass market and easier to write.
RiD in particular came across as 'West Wing in Space', which I didn't find engaging in the slightest. Likewise the overt humoured slant of MTMTE/LL rubbed me the wrong way pretty early on.

I have nothing against either series, it just personally feels less like Transformers than LSoTW, the Spotlights or the -Ations did. Too humanised for my taste.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby Ironhidensh » Fri Jun 15, 2018 7:46 am

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Ironhidensh wrote:
ScottyP wrote:So how about issue 18, eh? Loved it and without giving anything away, it delivered on a big twist in a smart way that's way cooler and more sinister than anything I'd speculated.

I dunno yet...... it could be (and I hope and believe it is) brilliant, or it could be a horrible cop out.


Either way, I didn't see it coming.
I think there's still more to it that's unresolved, to the point where it can't be a cop-out. The namedrop of Troja Major may help to serve as a reminder that Agonizer pointed out five crests to Velocity and Nautica, yet the flashback to the Knights of Cybertron arriving to Mederi only shows one on the banners.



Very good point! I had forgotten about that. I withdraw the cop out worries.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Fri Jun 15, 2018 4:44 pm

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SynchroBunny wrote:Question though. In the funtionist universe, who was responsible for Megs getting left behind in the wrong building?

It was confirmed via Roberts that it was Terminus that led Megatron to the wrong building and thus to stay behind.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby SynchroBunny » Fri Jun 15, 2018 4:55 pm

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Personally I thought the opposite. You had thrilling action storylines in LSoTW (still the best story of IDWverse to me) and Stormbringer. You also had Megatron and the Decepticons given actual intelligence and forethought behind their machinations for the first time, via Origin and the Six Phase Protocols.

Likewise the overt humoured slant of MTMTE/LL rubbed me the wrong way pretty early on.

I have nothing against either series, it just personally feels less like Transformers than LSoTW, the Spotlights or the -Ations did. Too humanised for my taste.


That's perfectly alright ^^ I was only really counting the ongoing runs. The wreckers mini-arcs[?] I found really well written and drawn.

And yeah, I know what you mean about the humanising factor in the main books. But I think that's why I got more attached to the LL crew personally.

And I admit, I did cry a little at a few points over the course of the Wreckers books and the end of Windblade's book. They just felt like natural ends for their development.


D-Maximal_Primal wrote:It was confirmed via Roberts that it was Terminus that led Megatron to the wrong building and thus to stay behind.


Thanks for that. I had a hunch it was but convinced myself otherwise.
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Transformers: Lost Light #19 iTunes Preview

Postby WreckerJack » Sat Jun 16, 2018 4:58 pm

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Alright ladies and gentlemen, it's that time again! We have for you a preview of Lost Light issue 19 via iTunes. We have posted the pages below so that you can read them if you wish. This issue will be available on iTunes on June 30th but you may pre-order it now so that you don't miss out. The issue will be 29 pages and the description is as follows.

DEATH FROM ABOVE! Years ago, the crew of the Lost Light fought a demonic Cybertronian mutant that fed on its victims’ souls. Years later, Rodimus and Co. are about to discover that the only thing worse than a sparkeater… is an army of sparkeaters!


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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Sat Jun 16, 2018 5:37 pm

Another 3rd party figure showing in IDW. Drifts alt-mode is traight up mastermind creations Stray. Rodimus’s too

And Cyclonus looks like Cyclonus!...because it’s by the guy who designed IDW Cyclonus but I have missed it. I don’t mind milnes exaggerated look but I’ve missed someone draws his face like it was introduced
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby Stormshot_Prime » Sat Jun 16, 2018 6:29 pm

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Randomhero wrote:Another 3rd party figure showing in IDW. Drifts alt-mode is traight up mastermind creations Stray. Rodimus’s too

And Cyclonus looks like Cyclonus!...because it’s by the guy who designed IDW Cyclonus but I have missed it. I don’t mind milnes exaggerated look but I’ve missed someone draws his face like it was introduced


Isn’t the 3P Rodimus toy based on his comic design, not the other way around?

Speaking of, when the hell are we gonna get a good 3P Drift?
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Sat Jun 16, 2018 6:42 pm

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Randomhero wrote:Another 3rd party figure showing in IDW. Drifts alt-mode is traight up mastermind creations Stray. Rodimus’s too

And Cyclonus looks like Cyclonus!...because it’s by the guy who designed IDW Cyclonus but I have missed it. I don’t mind milnes exaggerated look but I’ve missed someone draws his face like it was introduced


Isn’t the 3P Rodimus toy based on his comic design, not the other way around?

Speaking of, when the hell are we gonna get a good 3P Drift?


Not exactly. If you go back to MTMTE issue 17 I think you can see Rodimus in rare form in his altmode and MMC took a lot of liberties with his altmode. He has pipes in the center of his alt mode in the art and in the figure they’re only to the side.


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That’s MTME/LL Rodimus.

Ed is straight up using the mmc toy.


EJ is using their figure. Which he probably just googled LL Rodimus and saw the figure and thought it was an official. That happens more often than it should but that’s world we live in now. A lot of 3rd party toys pop up now on search engines and if you’re not a collector anymore you probably wouldn’t know.

He’s also using Prime Racthets ambulance for ratchet...
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby Stormshot_Prime » Sat Jun 16, 2018 6:47 pm

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Randomhero wrote:
Stormshot_Prime wrote:
Randomhero wrote:Another 3rd party figure showing in IDW. Drifts alt-mode is traight up mastermind creations Stray. Rodimus’s too

And Cyclonus looks like Cyclonus!...because it’s by the guy who designed IDW Cyclonus but I have missed it. I don’t mind milnes exaggerated look but I’ve missed someone draws his face like it was introduced


Isn’t the 3P Rodimus toy based on his comic design, not the other way around?

Speaking of, when the hell are we gonna get a good 3P Drift?


Not exactly. If you go back to MTMTE issue 17 I think you can see Rodimus in rare form in his altmode and MMC took a lot of liberties with his altmode. He has pipes in the center of his alt mode in the art and in the figure they’re only to the side.

EJ is using their figure. Which he probably just googled LL Rodimus and saw the figure and thought it was an official. That happens more often than it should but that’s world we live in now. A lot of 3rd party toys pop up now on search engines and if you’re not a collector anymore you probably wouldn’t know.

He’s also using Prime Racthets ambulance for ratchet...


I definitely noticed the Ratchet bit, it makes me think we actually haven’t seen his alt mode in this body. I’m a huge fan of MTMTE/LL but there seriously aren’t enough transformations. Spotlight: Sixshot had him alone transform a dozen times or more.

So what you’re saying is the toy was made before we got a clear look at Roddy’s alt mode, and then this different artist is using that as a reference?
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Sat Jun 16, 2018 6:51 pm

Stormshot_Prime wrote:
Randomhero wrote:
Stormshot_Prime wrote:
Randomhero wrote:Another 3rd party figure showing in IDW. Drifts alt-mode is traight up mastermind creations Stray. Rodimus’s too

And Cyclonus looks like Cyclonus!...because it’s by the guy who designed IDW Cyclonus but I have missed it. I don’t mind milnes exaggerated look but I’ve missed someone draws his face like it was introduced


Isn’t the 3P Rodimus toy based on his comic design, not the other way around?

Speaking of, when the hell are we gonna get a good 3P Drift?


Not exactly. If you go back to MTMTE issue 17 I think you can see Rodimus in rare form in his altmode and MMC took a lot of liberties with his altmode. He has pipes in the center of his alt mode in the art and in the figure they’re only to the side.

EJ is using their figure. Which he probably just googled LL Rodimus and saw the figure and thought it was an official. That happens more often than it should but that’s world we live in now. A lot of 3rd party toys pop up now on search engines and if you’re not a collector anymore you probably wouldn’t know.

He’s also using Prime Racthets ambulance for ratchet...


I definitely noticed the Ratchet bit, it makes me think we actually haven’t seen his alt mode in this body. I’m a huge fan of MTMTE/LL but there seriously aren’t enough transformations. Spotlight: Sixshot had him alone transform a dozen times or more.

So what you’re saying is the toy was made before we got a clear look at Roddy’s alt mode, and then this different artist is using that as a reference?


Rodimus has transformed 5 times in MTMTE. Issue one which is a tiny panel, the annual which was drawn by someone else you cant see him very well also one panel. Issue 17 which is what I posted in my edit and the only clear image of his alt mode and in 50 and 55 but they’re not views that give you any details of it and their toy was already out

EJ even added details that’s are unique to The MMC figure lol
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And Chromedome is drawn using his TR toy alt mode, not is Batman Tumbler-esque alt mode. It's actually really fun to see the alt mode differences EJ used.

And speaking of which, it is cool to see EJ's art again. him, Casey Coller, all kinds of different artists for the final sprint to the end, I like that.

Also really wondering what Getaway did to turn the crew into Sparkeaters. and why Perceptor just blasted Brainstorm instead of trying to take his spark. Also kinda cute the way Stormy tries to bring him back to his sense.
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