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[snavej]

My guess: Grand Architect = Scrapper? It's a comic. No one has to stay dead. Scrapper was one of the best architects in the Decepticon army.

Edit: Just read LL #21. I guessed wrong.

[Diaboragon]

I'm super confused on the state of Tailgate. I thought he exploded in his cell previously and only showed up as a simulation in Mediri because everyone heard he was dead. But then he escapes with everyone out of the fake afterspark and onto the Lost Light?

[ArmadaPrime]

I'm super confused on the state of Tailgate. I thought he exploded in his cell previously and only showed up as a simulation in Mediri because everyone heard he was dead. But then he escapes with everyone out of the fake afterspark and onto the Lost Light?

My guess is that he was teleported out of the coffin/cell and sent to Mederi, which cured him- but he was stuck there unable to "ascend" because Cyclonus wasn't around. Who teleported him, or how, I'm not sure- but the Magnificence listed him as one of the most important bots who should meet the architect, so maybe there's more to be revealed...

What if it’s the functionalist council? [...]
What and who would consider megatron a beast and the greatest threat to their point of view of the universe?
Functionalism

Ooooohhh, that's very very good. I can definitely get behind this theory.

[Ms. Trebuchette]

Soooo.

I think I just figured out what the Crusadercons have to do to stop the Grand Architect.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

A well done issue! I believe no doubt that Pharma is a rebuilt shell for the true architect. Can't wait to see who he is.

And yes, they brought back Megatron. That was a good move.

[ArmadaPrime]

Soooo.

I think I just figured out what the Crusadercons have to do to stop the Grand Architect.

y'know I REALLY THINK YOU MIGHT tho
12 fragments of the primal key: the functioning council is mad dog twelve members who combine into the Key to Vector Sigma
Infinity Gate: possibly the rift through the Warren?
Travel sideways in time: Elegant Chaos was time travel, but sideways in time would point to the Dissolution arc, as that was a parallel universe-hop
Agents of Chaos: could easily point to the Tyrest/Scorponok/Flame/etc squad, but could also point towards Unicron, who's been described as Chaos a few times...

[RobRobRobRobRob]

I think we all noticed (as someone stated before) that it looks like Rung can interact in some way with the Magnificence while in his Alternate Mode, and we have been told that (at least according to Shockwave's speculation... and Agonizer) that the Magnificence is a Knight of Cybertron who relinquished their body. So I was thinking... what happened to the body?

My theory: The body is Rung. After the Knight gave up his body and 'became' the Magnificence, perhaps his body was (somehow) given new life, mind-wiped (possibly through mnemosurgy), and was (somehow) returned to Cybertron before the Functionist rose to power. After all, Rung did say that he recognized the Grand Architect's motto from 'a long time ago.' We've seen before that wiped memories can be regained thanks to phrases thanks to Skids (granted, it was a Nudge Gun), so it's not without president for Rung to remember the Motto and nothing else. Perhaps it's a memory from when he was a Knight, or perhaps it's something that the Knight had imprinted on him. In addition, it seems that the Magnificence was able to 'talk' to Rung without anyone else hearing, and even take control of his body to force him to tranform, as if they have some kind of further connection. Robert's doesn't usually bring up legends unless they're important, and his deliberate mentioning of Shockwave's hypothesis is suspicious to say the least. If this isn't right, I see this little bit of dialogue being important later.

This even works with the Functionist Timeline: If my memory serves me correct, the Knights disembarked long before the Functionists rose to power, and there was more than enough time to get Rung back to Cybertron to be captured.

I could be completely wrong, but I just wanted to throw it out there.

On a slightly more sketchy note, I had a thought that perhaps The Grand Architect's 'vision' was actually the same one as Drift's only in reverse. The idea is that the Architect couldn't see everything behind him, meaning that he didn't know who to trust. All he saw was ahead of him, and he saw Drift standing before something... like maybe the Fleet we see at the end of the issue in front of the portal. Maybe that's why the Grand Architect let Rodimus on the ship - he didn't know Drift was part of the crew and therefore doesn't know if they're in league with the Fleet (unless they were in the vision, which puts a whole in this theory). It's a bit of a messy idea, but I could see there being drama between Drift and the Architect in issues to come.

[Sagitta]

My guess is that he was teleported out of the coffin/cell and sent to Mederi, which cured him- but he was stuck there unable to "ascend" because Cyclonus wasn't around. Who teleported him, or how, I'm not sure- but the Magnificence listed him as one of the most important bots who should meet the architect, so maybe there's more to be revealed...

I seem to recall Grimlock had been transported out of his cell by random while he had been on Garrus 9 due to certain "tport pockets". (Will have to look up that issue again when Scorp is in his "reveal mode" with Grimlock. But anyway...) Very possible Tailgate experienced pretty much the same thing.

[Sagitta]

About the Magnificence responding when the Grand Architect instructed Rodimus to choose his delegation...anyone remember the Magnificence has a habit of responding when there is an organic link being used? It did so when Scorp, Grimlock, and Misfire all handled the organic baby.

And, strongly of the belief Pharma isn't truly Pharma. First Aid did manage to shoot his head off before his remains were dragged into Tyrests's makeshift portal to "Cybertopia". The only guy that survived a head shot was Rung...and he still had a tiny portion of his brain remaining. Pharma...not so much. Just a thought.

Also agree with Rung having a special connection to the Magnificence. WIll be interesting to see how this all pans out.

[ZeroWolf]

Did it ever reveal why the funcionists were so put off by rungs alt in the alternate universe? So put off they were going to kill him?

[Randomhero]

Did it ever reveal why the funcionists were so put off by rungs alt in the alternate universe? So put off they were going to kill him?

They didn’t know what Rung was. He turned into nothing and therefore opposed their entire way of life: a transformer without function.

They tried to kill him because they discovered he can create photonic crystals. Photonic crystals apparently are only used to store constructed cold sparks, something they deem an abomination and goes against thier beliefs.

It’s all covered in the first arc in LostLight.

[Randomhero]

About the Magnificence responding when the Grand Architect instructed Rodimus to choose his delegation...anyone remember the Magnificence has a habit of responding when there is an organic link being used? It did so when Scorp, Grimlock, and Misfire all handled the organic baby.

And, strongly of the belief Pharma isn't truly Pharma. First Aid did manage to shoot his head off before his remains were dragged into Tyrests's makeshift portal to "Cybertopia". The only guy that survived a head shot was Rung...and he still had a tiny portion of his brain remaining. Pharma...not so much. Just a thought.

Also agree with Rung having a special connection to the Magnificence. WIll be interesting to see how this all pans out.

Also remember the big hint about the grand architects just using pharma as a body is pharma died and the grand architect showed up later not long after on Luna one and saved Tyrest

[ZeroWolf]

Did it ever reveal why the funcionists were so put off by rungs alt in the alternate universe? So put off they were going to kill him?

They didn’t know what Rung was. He turned into nothing and therefore opposed their entire way of life: a transformer without function.

They tried to kill him because they discovered he can create photonic crystals. Photonic crystals apparently are only used to store constructed cold sparks, something they deem an abomination and goes against thier beliefs.

It’s all covered in the first arc in LostLight.

Ah thanks for the recap random

[Sagitta]

About the Magnificence responding when the Grand Architect instructed Rodimus to choose his delegation...anyone remember the Magnificence has a habit of responding when there is an organic link being used? It did so when Scorp, Grimlock, and Misfire all handled the organic baby.

And, strongly of the belief Pharma isn't truly Pharma. First Aid did manage to shoot his head off before his remains were dragged into Tyrests's makeshift portal to "Cybertopia". The only guy that survived a head shot was Rung...and he still had a tiny portion of his brain remaining. Pharma...not so much. Just a thought.

Also agree with Rung having a special connection to the Magnificence. Will be interesting to see how this all pans out.

Also remember the big hint about the grand architects just using pharma as a body is pharma died and the grand architect showed up later not long after on Luna one and saved Tyrest

Ah, yes. Well, there's that too.

Given Robert's ability of dragging in various characters from across the TF mythos wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the actual villain happened to be a Quintesson of some sort.

[ZeroWolf]

I'd rather devil z then a quint but I do think that randomhero may have been on too something when he said about the functionalist council...after all, they did also sprout off abut 'till all are one'. They could easily be a single gestalt mind now (which in a biblical/red dwarf reference should reveal a true name of Legion)

[Sagitta]

Interesting thought. Although unsure how the Council would pull off time-travel. Although if they had...more than likely they wouldn't have picked the Suitcase Route.

[Cheesinator]

Is anyone else intrigued by Megatron's last line in the issue? He seems to genuinely think the others should be expecting him.

I guess it also works in a "I'm here to ruin/save the day because of course I am" context, and maybe I'm just reading into it too much, but it sounds to me like he thinks the LL crew know more than they actually do...which is odd.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but he didn't have an armed fleet when we last saw him right?

[Va'al]

Is anyone else intrigued by Megatron's last line in the issue? He seems to genuinely think the others should be expecting him.

I guess it also works in a "I'm here to ruin/save the day because of course I am" context, and maybe I'm just reading into it too much, but it sounds to me like he thinks the LL crew know more than they actually do...which is odd.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but he didn't have an armed fleet when we last saw him right?

He did get into the other universe at the start of full-on revolution though!

[Big Grim]

What Rodimus did in that scene was so refreshing, so much in the vein of the classically heroic "Prime" style that was I genuinely happy to see someone just do the right thing, take the moral/heroic high ground. I think the artistic effort in this scene was a fine way to bring Rodimus back around to the noble hero he was when he came before Optimus in Chaos Theory.

I friggin' adored that! When he emerged in his proper colours again, with Getaway in his arms, I had a huge, doofy grin on my face. Hell yeah Rodimus! You did good!

I also loved the nod to the old G1 Mechaniballs. Silly fun.

Then the next issue hit.

Magnus is intimidating. That was wonderful. Scorponok seems a little wasted.

Where did Pharma come from and how is he the Architect?

So glad to see Megatron return! Should be interesting seeing him meet up with Magnus and Rodimus again!

[ZeroWolf]

What Rodimus did in that scene was so refreshing, so much in the vein of the classically heroic "Prime" style that was I genuinely happy to see someone just do the right thing, take the moral/heroic high ground. I think the artistic effort in this scene was a fine way to bring Rodimus back around to the noble hero he was when he came before Optimus in Chaos Theory.

I friggin' adored that! When he emerged in his proper colours again, with Getaway in his arms, I had a huge, doofy grin on my face. Hell yeah Rodimus! You did good!

I also loved the nod to the old G1 Mechaniballs. Silly fun.

Then the next issue hit.

Magnus is intimidating. That was wonderful. Scorponok seems a little wasted.

Where did Pharma come from and how is he the Architect?

So glad to see Megatron return! Should be interesting seeing him meet up with Magnus and Rodimus again!

Theory on the street is that whatever was on the other side of the portal that pharma's body went into, is now wearing him like a suit.

[snavej]

LL #21: I noticed that Rung was able to transform when his arm had recently been burnt off by a spark-eater. Furthermore, I didn't see a gap in his alt mode where his arm would have been. He's rather talented!

Pharma: maybe he's actually Overlord in disguise, or at least half of Overlord. (See 'Requiem of the Wreckers'.) He has a similar sadistic streak.

[Randomhero]

I’m set on it’s the Functionalists. That arc hasn’t really left much impact to the over all story and every story except that has served a purpose to the MTMTE/LL except that. Well, other than removing megatron but that’s not enough. The functionalists have been this background thing through out the entire series but haven’t had an ounce of pay off.

It’s way too late in the game to introduce a villain that’s not been really established. Four issues are left. Being the functionalists ties it to the last of mysteries that are left hanging. Rung, Cybertron having a function, why does Luna One have engines and the biggest one. They cog symbol. ITS A COG! The functionalists are walking cogs! They’ve been called Cog face!

Look at the big picture.

The matrix had to be returned to Cybertron. Someone brought it back, members of that clan that used the symbol. They came back, helped restore Cybertron with the primes and ruled Cybertron under functionalism until the senate over threw them and took away most of their power.

The functionalist council were the knights of Cybertron

[ZeroWolf]

I agree, and they would hold a big grudge against megs, enough to make him their robo-Satan (the beast).

[Randomhero]

I agree, and they would hold a big grudge against megs, enough to make him their robo-Satan (the beast).

EXACTLY!

look back at one constant that keeps coming up through MMTE/LL. It’s the functionalists. They haven’t had a pay off. All the other villains of this series have been paid off except them.

Everything must have a function and every COG in the machine must have a purpose

[ZeroWolf]

And architects know where to put pieces together...I'll now be very dissatisfied if it isn't, this all fits together very well