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John Stamoist wrote:ctrlFrequency wrote:1984forever wrote:
I love Brainstorm as a Decepticon agent. I'm happy to see that there is at least one AUTObot jet that took a look at his alt-mode and said "hey, I don't turn into a car, so why am I wearing an AUTObot symbol? I'm supposed to be a Decepticon!"
Here's the thing.
We don't know that Brainstorm is a Decepticon. Inside his face plate was a Decepticon symbol painted on, but we don't know the reason why it's there. It could be a million different reasons. A reminder (former Decepticon turned Autobot, the painted on symbol could be a reminder to not go back), he's a spy, he's on the fence, the DJD did it as a mark (it was painted on after all), he has a cerebo shell in his head and he didn't even know he had a symbol in his mask, he's a double agent, his faceplate came from a friend who was killed by Decepticons and he has a huge grudge, he has a really twisted sense of humor, someone else put it in there and he never knew it.
All of those are as probable as him being a Decepticon agent.
So please don't say with absolute certainty that Brainstorm is in fact a Decepticon. We don't know.
Not all Autobots are land vehicles, not all Decepticons are air vehicles. Not even in G1 were all the Autobots land vehicles and all the Decepticon Air Vehicles. Megatron was a gun, as was Shockwave, Soundwave a mini cassette player, Reflector a camera, then came aerialbots, constructicons, Stunticons, Blaster, Perceptor, Jetfire, etc. It's a faction not form.
Exactly, it could be all misdirection for who the real traitor is on the Lost Light. The most peculiar part is why Brainstorm chose to go back in time now, not this whole time he had the suitcase. People said the suitcase from the other Lost Light survived because he loves it so much, or because it's a entirely different suitcase. I think maybe he was developing the device this whole time. So on the other Lost Light the device was never completed and the suitcase was always empty, that's why it survived. Any of these is possible, just a matter of what direction they want to go. The info for next issue is weird though, them saying there's no hate or any of that so why is there a problem. Not sure if this is connected to Brainstorm, or if it alludes to the DJD coming back to speak with First Aid and them.
John Stamoist wrote:ctrlFrequency wrote:1984forever wrote:
I love Brainstorm as a Decepticon agent. I'm happy to see that there is at least one AUTObot jet that took a look at his alt-mode and said "hey, I don't turn into a car, so why am I wearing an AUTObot symbol? I'm supposed to be a Decepticon!"
Here's the thing.
We don't know that Brainstorm is a Decepticon. Inside his face plate was a Decepticon symbol painted on, but we don't know the reason why it's there. It could be a million different reasons. A reminder (former Decepticon turned Autobot, the painted on symbol could be a reminder to not go back), he's a spy, he's on the fence, the DJD did it as a mark (it was painted on after all), he has a cerebo shell in his head and he didn't even know he had a symbol in his mask, he's a double agent, his faceplate came from a friend who was killed by Decepticons and he has a huge grudge, he has a really twisted sense of humor, someone else put it in there and he never knew it.
All of those are as probable as him being a Decepticon agent.
So please don't say with absolute certainty that Brainstorm is in fact a Decepticon. We don't know.
Not all Autobots are land vehicles, not all Decepticons are air vehicles. Not even in G1 were all the Autobots land vehicles and all the Decepticon Air Vehicles. Megatron was a gun, as was Shockwave, Soundwave a mini cassette player, Reflector a camera, then came aerialbots, constructicons, Stunticons, Blaster, Perceptor, Jetfire, etc. It's a faction not form.
Exactly, it could be all misdirection for who the real traitor is on the Lost Light. The most peculiar part is why Brainstorm chose to go back in time now, not this whole time he had the suitcase. People said the suitcase from the other Lost Light survived because he loves it so much, or because it's a entirely different suitcase. I think maybe he was developing the device this whole time. So on the other Lost Light the device was never completed and the suitcase was always empty, that's why it survived. Any of these is possible, just a matter of what direction they want to go. The info for next issue is weird though, them saying there's no hate or any of that so why is there a problem. Not sure if this is connected to Brainstorm, or if it alludes to the DJD coming back to speak with First Aid and them.
Flashwave wrote:[
Wait, I was supposed to get Time Travel out of that last page? Sheesh, I need to do better at reading on a phone...
Burn wrote:P.S.
**** you CF.
ctrlFrequency wrote:Flashwave wrote:[
Wait, I was supposed to get Time Travel out of that last page? Sheesh, I need to do better at reading on a phone...
I didn't get it either. You're not alone.
DarkEnergon wrote:Now, theory time. When the Lost Light was restored, so was the crew. We know that the other Lost Light disappeared, except for Rewind and Brainstorm's briefcase. Is it possible that living beings with sparks perhaps were not canceled out, and is it possible that some of the crew were not killed by the DJD? Any clues to confirm that the four on the planet were not from the other Lost Light? Oh, First Aid, he wasn't with that crew originally. Ok, so they're from "our" crew.
Second, I found it very hard to accept that 5 badass decepticons can take down the whole autobot crew themselves. No sign of corpses from Whirl and several others. (or Trailcutter and Bluestreak and Mainframe, for what it's worth).
Burn wrote:P.S.
**** you CF.
ctrlFrequency wrote:DarkEnergon wrote:
Second, I found it very hard to accept that 5 badass decepticons can take down the whole autobot crew themselves. No sign of corpses from Whirl and several others. (or Trailcutter and Bluestreak and Mainframe, for what it's worth).
And for the second part of your question, though it is possible some of the crew is still alive because we didn't see bodies, Rewind did say that every one was killed, they may not have drawn everybody in the panels because of space.
They also never show Whirl (for example) leaving the Lost Light, we catch glimpses of his avatar, but never him. Not that I noticed at least.
Rewind did say (in #33) that the DJD used him to film the entire massacre and he says "When the finished killing the rest of the crew", so we can assume the entire crew died because Rewind stated it, though, you know, nothing is for certain.
ZeroWolf wrote:Considering that everyone was scared of the DJD it's quite easy to believe. I mean they were after overlord, that says everything. The DJD are quite the bogeymen of this series. I really don't think there was anything more to this then we've seen.
Burn wrote:P.S.
**** you CF.
ctrlFrequency wrote:We may never know (I'm guessing we will never know) how the DJD managed to kill everyone. Though there might be able to be something to be said about fear, organization, circumstances.
Everyone is afraid of the DJD, that might have some play. Less seasoned warriors might be too afraid.
The DJD is a well trained, well organized, efficient killing machine. I dout the Lost Light crew was organized.
We don't know what state they were in. The Lost Light we are familiar with began pulling apart and not being normal. Was the second one falling apart too?
And I have to correct my last post because I confused my characters. I mentioned about Whirl not being seen besides his avatar... Wrong Whirl. I was talking about Whirl on Lost Light 1 not Lost Light 2. So disregard what I said there. I was being utterly confused for no good reason.
John Stamoist wrote:ctrlFrequency wrote:We may never know (I'm guessing we will never know) how the DJD managed to kill everyone. Though there might be able to be something to be said about fear, organization, circumstances.
Everyone is afraid of the DJD, that might have some play. Less seasoned warriors might be too afraid.
The DJD is a well trained, well organized, efficient killing machine. I dout the Lost Light crew was organized.
We don't know what state they were in. The Lost Light we are familiar with began pulling apart and not being normal. Was the second one falling apart too?
And I have to correct my last post because I confused my characters. I mentioned about Whirl not being seen besides his avatar... Wrong Whirl. I was talking about Whirl on Lost Light 1 not Lost Light 2. So disregard what I said there. I was being utterly confused for no good reason.
I think more than anything the death of Rodimus took a toll on them. Rodimus wouldn't back down if the DJD came on board, he would challenge them. That courage would have lifted the spirits of everyone, making them believe they could defeat the DJD. Since Rodimus is dead, and different events happened to this Lost Light, it's hard to tell why they were so pathetic at fighting back.
What I'm really waiting for is the DJD and Megatron confrontation that will happen. It'll be interesting to see if they will try to kill him, join him(LOL 0% chance of that happening), or ignore him only to be attacked by him and the Lost Light crew.
Burn wrote:P.S.
**** you CF.
ZeroWolf wrote:I was going by the facts we've being given. The wreckers knew they were going on a suicide mission. Overlord was that much of a monster. You may not like it but the DJD wiped everyone out. Rewind never mentioned the crew being demoralised or paralysed.
ctrlFrequency wrote:
One might think they may be leading up to that...
It would be very interesting to see. I'm of the mind they would just do away with Megs since their mission includes disposing of traitors, which by Ravage's words, it's easy to conclude the remaining Decpticons feel Megs turned traitor.
How that will come out... I won't even guess. So many possibilities (though I doubt they'll kill off Megs for good, at least)
ZeroWolf wrote:I took it that the DJD snuck on board to kill overlord. Remember orcams razor (I haven't got that name right at all, have I). Often the simplest solution is the right one. Here the simplest is that the DJD killed the whole crew including the double agent brainstorm. No extra factors have to be added. Also whirl isn't as tough as he pretends following the revelation that Megs made sure he wasn't killed to thank him for the next experience he gave Megs.
Burn wrote:P.S.
**** you CF.
ZeroWolf wrote:Yeah but we're just looking at the massacrebut I do understand what your saying but I feel that the massacre was just a backdrop to the real point of learning about brainstorm...and Megatrons conversation with ravage.
ctrlFrequency wrote:We're going to die from anticipation.
Though have we entertained the idea that the dead Brainstorm was a traitor but the live one isn't?
I was just pondering the what ifs of the opportunity to become a traitor presented itself only to the now dead Brainstorm.
John Stamoist wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:Yeah but we're just looking at the massacrebut I do understand what your saying but I feel that the massacre was just a backdrop to the real point of learning about brainstorm...and Megatrons conversation with ravage.
Yeah you have a good point there. It's just rare you see so many main characters slaughtered on the floor without an exact description of what happened. All I know is the wait for the next issue is killing, I assume the rest of you feel the same way hahahactrlFrequency wrote:We're going to die from anticipation.
Though have we entertained the idea that the dead Brainstorm was a traitor but the live one isn't?
I was just pondering the what ifs of the opportunity to become a traitor presented itself only to the now dead Brainstorm.
This was brought up in the comic. I think it was Nightbeat talking about our Brainstorm when Megatron said, "You do realize this means your brainstorm is also a traitor.". Actually it might have been Ravage but either way it was brought up.
I think you might be on to something though, maybe Brainstorm turned traitor because something that pissed him off happened at Lost Light 1.
Someone posted the picture of Brainstorm talking with Chromedome about not injecting himself after Rewind died. Forgot if it was in this thread or the previous issue's, but either way I still find it hard to believe someone who gave that speech being a traitor. I mean why would you bother consoling someone who is your enemy? Especially when it comes to someone as intelligent as Chromedome, you would rather have them suffering instead of being at their best. Might sound stupid but his speech touched me, it was actually pretty damn deep. If Brainstorm can say that speech and be a traitor then he must be one of the best actors in the Multiverse.
Burn wrote:P.S.
**** you CF.
ctrlFrequency wrote:John Stamoist wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:Yeah but we're just looking at the massacrebut I do understand what your saying but I feel that the massacre was just a backdrop to the real point of learning about brainstorm...and Megatrons conversation with ravage.
Yeah you have a good point there. It's just rare you see so many main characters slaughtered on the floor without an exact description of what happened. All I know is the wait for the next issue is killing, I assume the rest of you feel the same way hahahactrlFrequency wrote:We're going to die from anticipation.
Though have we entertained the idea that the dead Brainstorm was a traitor but the live one isn't?
I was just pondering the what ifs of the opportunity to become a traitor presented itself only to the now dead Brainstorm.
This was brought up in the comic. I think it was Nightbeat talking about our Brainstorm when Megatron said, "You do realize this means your brainstorm is also a traitor.". Actually it might have been Ravage but either way it was brought up.
I think you might be on to something though, maybe Brainstorm turned traitor because something that pissed him off happened at Lost Light 1.
Someone posted the picture of Brainstorm talking with Chromedome about not injecting himself after Rewind died. Forgot if it was in this thread or the previous issue's, but either way I still find it hard to believe someone who gave that speech being a traitor. I mean why would you bother consoling someone who is your enemy? Especially when it comes to someone as intelligent as Chromedome, you would rather have them suffering instead of being at their best. Might sound stupid but his speech touched me, it was actually pretty damn deep. If Brainstorm can say that speech and be a traitor then he must be one of the best actors in the Multiverse.
I'd forgotten about Nightbeat mentioning it.
But yeah, Brainstorm never acted much like a traitor. He had close friendships. Like you say, hard to betray someone you care about.
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