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Re: IDW Transformers - The Reboot? Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Sun Apr 29, 2018 5:52 am

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I think I can understand where you are coming from now all new, I don't agree but I can understand all the same.

What Galactic suggests is a good starting point but a few changes I would make is that genders are established as we would be going with black hats spark mating idea as to how the bodies are formed, I can see either them being premade (or maybe preowned, one spark in, one spark out) or formed out of cybertrons own metal surface. This idea also lends itself to the creation of new characters when they visit alien world's or even (come on we all know earth is going to feature heavily, hasbro will force them to) earth and can put sparks into lifeless vehicles that turn into tfs (like the live action movies).

Oh and pretenders, there's a lot of potential there especially if you create new con characters with human shells.
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Re: IDW Transformers - The Reboot? Discussion Thread

Postby misfire19d » Sun Apr 29, 2018 10:59 am

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Transformers creating new Transformers through some type of "cyber-coitus"? Ugh. Gross. The cringe potential for this is stratospheric.

Aaannnd Arcee and other fembots are an example of how Hasbro tried to expand the Transformers line to sell toys to girls.
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Re: IDW Transformers - The Reboot? Discussion Thread

Postby Black Hat » Sun Apr 29, 2018 11:18 am

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misfire19d wrote:Transformers creating new Transformers through some type of "cyber-coitus"? Ugh. Gross. The cringe potential for this is stratospheric.

To be honest, the cringe potential for just about anything in fiction is pretty high- it's all in the execution. Almost anything can be cringeworthy in practice no matter how good the concept if done wrong, but by the same book, almost anything can be really good no matter how silly the premise.

I mean sure, robosex could be absolutely embarrassing if approached poorly, but on the flip side it could be deeply touching, surprisingly titilating or even funny (in the right way) if it was done properly, as with any fictional depicitons of sex. It wouldn't even be the first time it was hinted at in Transformers anyway, as there seemed to be something more than chaste love going on between Blackarachnia and Silverbolt in Beast Wars (Rattrap's "Scouting the enemy, huh? Find any new positions?" line at least suggests the Transformers have a concept of sex).

Plus, it would give purpose to both gender AND romance in Transformers. Gender is necessary for reproduction and romance is necessary for the desire to reproduce (as is the case with humans).
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Re: IDW Transformers - The Reboot? Discussion Thread

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Sun Apr 29, 2018 11:32 am

Isn't that just fetishisation though? It's like someone saying: "You know what Transformers is missing? Robosex, that I can get off on..."
I mean I know the old axiom that 'whatever fetish you can think of, someone out there is into it' but come on, remember part of HasTak's audience is still kids. I can only imagine any pitch to them over robosex would be silenced within seconds.

Beast Wars is my favourite series in all Transformers but Silverbolt and Blackarachnia were the worst part of the latter half of it. Different strokes for different folks but sexualising robots is just grim.

Proto-Form is the best way. Mass produced and identical. Inkeeping with an advanced, yet still Mechanical race.
Sparks generated through The Matrix and Vector Sigma. Recycled and reformatted from previous generations.

Then modes can be situational. Not just altmode but bot mode too. Hence why you can go from Whirl to Rack-N-Ruin to Arcee. Because it all depends on where the Proto-Form is when they infiltrate.
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Re: IDW Transformers - The Reboot? Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Sun Apr 29, 2018 12:18 pm

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I think we've come to a concensus on this that we can't agree on what is the best way. We all have our different views on gender but given the nature of the beast IDW will still do something different to any of these. Only thing that's for certain is that there will be gender. Though I'm also willing to bet that any reason for that gender is unknown when the series starts (if ever known).

I never realised that the subject of gender was such a minefield.

And now for something completely different:

Combiners, how should a reboot approach them and should devestator return to being the first (unless they are going all in one the Primes from the get go, in which case Nexus Prime is always first I'm afraid) or shall we give someone else a turn at being the first. Should they receive a size boost or be roughly the size of their legs X2 and a bit (you know human prooptions)
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Re: IDW Transformers - The Reboot? Discussion Thread

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Sun Apr 29, 2018 12:51 pm

Like I said, I've always viewed Transformers as autonomous, sentient machines. I simply found Gender was a weird thing to push to begin with. To think they only did it to sell Transformers to girls and suddenly people try to tie a marketing ploy into the lore and identity of the series itself. It confuses me to hear people that say the equivalent of "well that Giant Alien Robot doesn't represent me" Well of course it doesn't?! They are robots.

But I digress. I think there are two important things a new continuity would need to address with Gestalts: Scale and power.

When I say scale, I'm really not talking about their height, which should be governed by Mass Displacement, as covered elsewhere. For the sake of argument, Taller than a human skyscraper.

It's been a long time since G1 played it fast and loose with bot size, after all.

When I mean scale specifically, one standard bot - no matter who it is - should have zero chance against a Combiner Team. It should take a small army of default bots to even challenge a Gestalt.

Which brings me to Power. A Gestalt is the equivalent of a WMD. A lone standard Seeker or Dinobot is already a virtual army of one, so take the threat of a Gestalt seriously. A battle between two Gestalts should be city leveling and catastrophic.

Likewise, Omega Supreme and the City Bots should be either part of this power tier or in the case of the City Bots, the next rung up the ladder in terms of destructive potential.
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Re: IDW Transformers - The Reboot? Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Sun Apr 29, 2018 2:29 pm

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I always put omega on the same level as a combiner (I mean he is a combiner of sorts of you think he transforms into several different components) while city bots are the next level up from combiners (with unicron and primus atop that chart). As for bots taking down combiners, I would make exception for the twelve Primes and that's it. The Primes are supposed to be demi gods so them taking down a combiner would be okay in my book. As to why I don't include Optimus in that is, well he's not that special apart from refusing to stay dead.
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Re: IDW Transformers - The Reboot? Discussion Thread

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Sun Apr 29, 2018 2:33 pm

No More Primes! (plural)

Primus and the Thirteen Primes are among the most boring parts of the Lore. Trying to make it biblical doesn't really do anything for Transformers other than cater to those with a Prime Fetish.

Optimus and Rodimus are all you need.
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Re: IDW Transformers - The Reboot? Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Sun Apr 29, 2018 2:51 pm

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Again I think hasbro will be sticking with the 13 Primes, especially after going to the trouble of adding them to the toyline. Take heart though, given how long idw held off putting them in, the reboot may not feature them (other than as myths and legends) till later on.

Plus you'd still need a prime before Optimus to explain where he got the role from.
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Re: IDW Transformers - The Reboot? Discussion Thread

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Sun Apr 29, 2018 2:54 pm

Not necessarily. He is the leader of the Autobots. The End. That doesn't really require explanation or exposition.
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Re: IDW Transformers - The Reboot? Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Sun Apr 29, 2018 3:35 pm

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It does once you put forward the idea of succession as the question falls as to who was before op, even g1 answered that one
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Re: IDW Transformers - The Reboot? Discussion Thread

Postby Galactic Prime » Sun Apr 29, 2018 3:39 pm

misfire19d wrote:Transformers creating new Transformers through some type of "cyber-coitus"? Ugh. Gross. The cringe potential for this is stratospheric.

Aaannnd Arcee and other fembots are an example of how Hasbro tried to expand the Transformers line to sell toys to girls.


No one said anything about robot sex did they? No. I said that two Transformers would require to each participate in the creation of a new spark for a new Transformer. Sex doesn't have to be involved, especially since they don't have sex organs. But it could be that they are each required to imbue a new protoform with a fraction of their spark, thus a new Transformer requires a piece of spark from BOTH a male TF and a Female TF.
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Re: IDW Transformers - The Reboot? Discussion Thread

Postby Galactic Prime » Sun Apr 29, 2018 3:40 pm

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Not necessarily. He is the leader of the Autobots. The End. That doesn't really require explanation or exposition.


It most definitely requires explanation.
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Re: IDW Transformers - The Reboot? Discussion Thread

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Sun Apr 29, 2018 3:51 pm

Remember we are tossing around ideas for a Reboot, stuff to make this one unique. So what if, in the New continuity, there was no succession? Much like Megatron traditionally began the Decepticons, how about there was no Autobot leader before Prime? You have Alpha Trion and Kup for his council. They also give us the "lore" of Primus, the 13 Primes, the myth to the Creation Matrix etc but Optimus was always the leader. The idea for succession being who follows him. That way he can be old enough to step aside for others later, becoming council to them instead.
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Re: IDW Transformers - The Reboot? Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Sun Apr 29, 2018 4:13 pm

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Galactic Prime wrote:
misfire19d wrote:Transformers creating new Transformers through some type of "cyber-coitus"? Ugh. Gross. The cringe potential for this is stratospheric.

Aaannnd Arcee and other fembots are an example of how Hasbro tried to expand the Transformers line to sell toys to girls.


No one said anything about robot sex did they? No. I said that two Transformers would require to each participate in the creation of a new spark for a new Transformer. Sex doesn't have to be involved, especially since they don't have sex organs. But it could be that they are each required to imbue a new protoform with a fraction of their spark, thus a new Transformer requires a piece of spark from BOTH a male TF and a Female TF.

This is more what I was thinking as well

You could have them both there when they are creating the new spark or even have them give up a piece one at a time so they don't even have to see each other when doing this process.
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Re: IDW Transformers - The Reboot? Discussion Thread

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Sun Apr 29, 2018 4:43 pm

What is wrong with Sparks coming from The Matrix and/or Vector Sigma? Keeping a bit of mystery there??
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Re: IDW Transformers - The Reboot? Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Sun Apr 29, 2018 5:10 pm

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Weren't you the one who wanted to give the fembots a purpose? Also what about when cybertron is a husk? How will the sides replenish their sides? Heck they could use both and ask questions like is doing it via vector sigma better for them or is vector sigma a controlling influence, set up by forces unknown to enslave the cybertron race. There's potential there
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Re: IDW Transformers - The Reboot? Discussion Thread

Postby misfire19d » Sun Apr 29, 2018 5:58 pm

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Re: IDW Transformers - The Reboot? Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:17 am

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You're making it worse then it needs to be. One idea is simply the sparks of the two tfs fusing for a brief moment before splitting and a third is produced.

Or if that's too much, how about osmosis? That's how cells reproduced, by splitting into two. You could say that primus gave up his spark so it could split into the sparks of the first cybertronians, which then split etc. There is scientific methods we can use for this. Of course we can just have everything really vague.
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Re: IDW Transformers - The Reboot? Discussion Thread

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:09 am

^ :lol: Touché

ZeroWolf wrote:Weren't you the one who wanted to give the fembots a purpose?


Yes, but I did stress not as gross Sexbots.


ZeroWolf wrote:Also what about when cybertron is a husk? How will the sides replenish their sides?

As long as the new continuity doesn't paint itself into a ridiculous corner as IDWverse did when it said there were only 10,000 Cybertronians left, it wouldn't be a problem. As I said in my scenario, Autobots and Decepticons scattered across the galaxy after the exodus from Cybertron. Therefore new characters can appear all the time in every story.


ZeroWolf wrote:Heck they could use both and ask questions like is doing it via vector sigma better for them or is vector sigma a controlling influence, set up by forces unknown to enslave the cybertron race. There's potential there


We come back to the age of Transformers. After even four million years they wouldn't question "where do babies come from?" they would know. The enslavement angle was already covered in Sunbow.
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Re: IDW Transformers - The Reboot? Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:47 am

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With the enslavement angle there is was more speculating about if Primus is actually a good guy or not. Go a bit shin megami tensei on it and paint primus in heavy shades of grey*

Anyway, again who said anything about sex as we humans know it, we've played out the manufactured machines bit in g1, so let's talk evolution of cybernetic beings as Prime hinted at. It's frustrating though that this issue keeps getting framed as two robots doing it when it doesn't have to be graphic like that at all...unless idw took a stance against it knowing full well that some fans would certainly go further (like some do now...Google images can be scary sometimes)
*- in the shin megami tensei gaming series god is not painted as a wholly good being, instead he represents law and order and the rules that follow, and often talks about removing free will from humans. In some of the games, you even fight him as the final boss (unless you have unlocked lucifer as the ultimate boss in Nocturne/lucifers call). In those games you can choose which alignment you want to follow, getting a specific ending for each option.
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Re: IDW Transformers - The Reboot? Discussion Thread

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:01 am

Yeah, that's why I don't look up "Fan-Art" online :SICK:

I don't think the mechanical aspect has been played out even remotely enough. I see it as a futuristic automated conveyor belt. Millions to billions of mass produced Proto-Form. Passing through Vector Sigma gives them knowledge of the cosmos, The Creation Matrix gives them a Spark. Upending pre-established ideas of both.

Primus is far too played out as traditionally told. So instead name the City wherein Proto-Form are manufactured as "Primus". Potential for a new City Bot there too (HasTak would love a Third possible use for the Metroplex mold). Make it considered a neutral/holy place and also the last place standing on the Dead Cybertron. Pristine, untouched but with no power.
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Re: IDW Transformers - The Reboot? Discussion Thread

Postby Black Hat » Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:41 am

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What a remarkably helpful contribution to the thread. >:oP


(Minor rant on the whole reproduction thing)
As far as the whole "Ew, robot sex" angle goes, my idea for "spark mating" is fairly similar to that weird spark-union ritual...thing from IDW. And whilst on an outcome level I suppose it is analogous to (highly metaphysical) sex- because, you know, that's how reproduction works- the actual process doesn't have to be sexual at all. It could be an entirely clinical, functional affair or even a religious rite. Of course, romance tying into it would make for a more compelling story (IMO) and individual Transformers may add in an element of sexuality to the process just because they want to, but at its most basic, functional level it doesn't even need to be the slightest bit sexual (at least, as we would perceive it).

Now, personally I'm of the opinion that (assuming it was aimed at an older audience) there's actually nothing inherently wrong with injecting a hint of sexuality into Transformers, obviously not to excessive levels, but going "Ewwwwwww, my super deformation robos can't like each other THAT way!" is honestly kinda immature. Sure, some people might find it a bit too appealing (*COUGH* DeviantART *COUGH*), but that's honestly pretty harmless, and considering that people will find an excuse to rub their rhubarb to literally anything, there's no point not doing something just because a few people will like it a bit more than is perhaps normal. Especially not in a fictional illustrated story that, at the end of the day, harms absolutely nobody.

I've said before that this fandom is bizarrely intolerant towards/afraid of anything even remotely sexual, even in more mature stories, and I actually feel that approaching the subject tastefully would do something to address that.


Back on topic somewhat: You know what I really want? A depiction of Sentinel Prime that isn't at best a jerk and at worst actually evil. Animated Sentinel was a dick (albeit a very funny one), DOTM Sentinel was cool but ultimately evil, and IDW Sentinel was a shallow "Lol we don't like Trump, buy our book pls" pandering attempt. Perhaps depict Sentinel Prime as the first and perhaps greatest of the Autobot leaders, a wise, just robot who would not tolerate evil. Unfortunately he went missing in a Space Bridge accident and was assumed dead...until he showed up millions of years later, having been catapulted through time by the imploding space bridge. He's absolutely not evil in any way, and not even really a jerk...but he is a smidge out of touch due to coming from a very different time, and is a bit confused by ideas like fembots on the front line ("She might get hurt! Someone protect this poor lady!") or organics telling humans what to do ("Back in my day, we didn't take orders from anyone smaller than us! Well, unless it was a Headmaster but that's another story..."). So whilst Optimus is the "cool dad" he's the "cool grandpa".
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Re: IDW Transformers - The Reboot? Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:20 am

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I would get on board with that sentinel idea, and I agree with your little rant as well black hat. If hasbro want an evil prime, use Nova (and stick with calling him Nemesis Prime this time, don't just use it once and give back on it for now reason)
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