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Re: IDW Transformers - The Reboot? Discussion Thread

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:41 pm

It would be nice if a New continuity could ditch the unhealthy Prime Fetish and it's stranglehold over Transformers. I doubt that will happen though, even if no toys were present.
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Re: IDW Transformers - The Reboot? Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:57 pm

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Now you're getting it, there's certain things that are going to be inescapable. Primes are just one of them, though I think fetishism is a strong word. Characterisation is something that can still be different, as is tone that the series takes
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Re: IDW Transformers - The Reboot? Discussion Thread

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Mon Apr 30, 2018 2:14 pm

ZeroWolf wrote: though I think fetishism is a strong word.



Here's a fun game. Just off the top of your head, or via the Wiki, count how many Primes there are within the series - books, films, toys etc

For example, without counting the Hasbro editions, there are 17 variants of "Convoy" in the MP line alone.

I think Fetish might not even be a strong enough descriptive.
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Re: IDW Transformers - The Reboot? Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:24 pm

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Okay, let's see if I can do this without the 503 error.

There is an in fiction reason for so many primes, and it seems to be built on with each successive take on tfs, just as beast wars added sparks to the mix, the Primes came about from different sources (I can't remember if they started in the club fiction or if it was Furman with the fallen. I know vector prime was the first appearance of one of the thirteen on TV.

Now as for your second point, if they know they can keep churning out the same toy and it sells. They would be crazy not to keep selling them. Who has the "fetish" the people who make these toys or the ones who gladly keep buying them.
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Re: IDW Transformers - The Reboot? Discussion Thread

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:22 pm

ZeroWolf wrote:Okay, let's see if I can do this without the 503 error.


I have lost five comments to that so far :(


ZeroWolf wrote:Now as for your second point, if they know they can keep churning out the same toy and it sells. They would be crazy not to keep selling them. Who has the "fetish" the people who make these toys or the ones who gladly keep buying them.


Who has the fetish? Both. Supply and demand. Say, just for once, in the new continuity there was no Optimus. Ever.
There are literally a couple hundred Transformers. So is the idea without One, HasTak believe the series would flounder? That there is a portion of this fanbase that simply wouldn't buy it because he wasn't in it? That is insane.
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Re: IDW Transformers - The Reboot? Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:28 pm

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It's risk vs reward and clearly they think a series without op in some capacity (as rid 2015 started with him in the afterlife training with the other primes) wouldn't be worth it for them. Comics would be the closest we'd get to an Optimus-less series but even then I think hasbro would ask for him to be there.
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Re: IDW Transformers - The Reboot? Discussion Thread

Postby Galactic Prime » Tue May 01, 2018 11:36 am

Optimus is the leader, just like Megatron, not having them is retarded.
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Re: IDW Transformers - The Reboot? Discussion Thread

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Tue May 01, 2018 1:36 pm

How so?
The whole idea of this thread is to pitch ideas for a new continuity. Something unique.

Both Autobots and Decepticons, throughout fiction, have had multiple leaders. Some of them more successful than Prime and Megatron. IDWverse explored the only thing left to explore in Megatron, as a heroic figure, Prime is the same in everything.

So maybe a Reboot would benefit from pushing them both into the background (as we can't get rid of them completely, post-Sunbow). Perhaps Star Saber leads the good fight against the forces of Straxus? Springer and The Wreckers battle Tripredacus?

For any given comic, they typically have access to the full toy box of the entire series. Maybe it's time to start dipping in a bit deeper from Day One?
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Re: IDW Transformers - The Reboot? Discussion Thread

Postby Galactic Prime » Tue May 01, 2018 2:41 pm

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:How so?
The whole idea of this thread is to pitch ideas for a new continuity. Something unique.

Both Autobots and Decepticons, throughout fiction, have had multiple leaders. Some of them more successful than Prime and Megatron. IDWverse explored the only thing left to explore in Megatron, as a heroic figure, Prime is the same in everything.

So maybe a Reboot would benefit from pushing them both into the background (as we can't get rid of them completely, post-Sunbow). Perhaps Star Saber leads the good fight against the forces of Straxus? Springer and The Wreckers battle Tripredacus?

For any given comic, they typically have access to the full toy box of the entire series. Maybe it's time to start dipping in a bit deeper from Day One?



So then we should do away with all of the characters then, since having Starscream, Soundwave, Shockwave, Bumblebee, Prowl, etc... are all the same anyway.

Your point makes no sense and goes against the grain of what makes Transformers popular.

Optimus Prime is the most popular Transformer there is, it is completely retarded on our part to expect Hasbro to have him left out of fiction and it would be completely retarded on their part to do it.
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Re: IDW Transformers - The Reboot? Discussion Thread

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Tue May 01, 2018 2:52 pm

No one in Transformers is as overexposed as Prime and Megatron.

All I'm saying is shuffle the deck. There are hundreds of Transformers. You make characters popular by using and promoting them.

Of course, let's not forget that both Hasbro and Takara have killed off Megatron and Prime before, replacing them with better characters.

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It wasn't "retarded" then, although the OTT backlash to that was questionable...
The gist I'm getting here is you're either a fan of Transformers or a fan of Optimus Prime, which again, is insane.
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Re: IDW Transformers - The Reboot? Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Tue May 01, 2018 3:20 pm

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:How so?
The whole idea of this thread is to pitch ideas for a new continuity. Something unique.

Both Autobots and Decepticons, throughout fiction, have had multiple leaders. Some of them more successful than Prime and Megatron. IDWverse explored the only thing left to explore in Megatron, as a heroic figure, Prime is the same in everything.

So maybe a Reboot would benefit from pushing them both into the background (as we can't get rid of them completely, post-Sunbow). Perhaps Star Saber leads the good fight against the forces of Straxus? Springer and The Wreckers battle Tripredacus?

For any given comic, they typically have access to the full toy box of the entire series. Maybe it's time to start dipping in a bit deeper from Day One?


Great...now I want to see springer and Co fighting tripredacus. Thanks :lol:
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Re: IDW Transformers - The Reboot? Discussion Thread

Postby Rodimus Prime » Tue May 01, 2018 11:34 pm

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I haven't watched any of it yet, but didn't RiD2015 try to go without Prime actually being in the regular cast, but instead just a ghost who appears to Bee once in a while? If that's the case, did it work?
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Re: IDW Transformers - The Reboot? Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Wed May 02, 2018 2:24 am

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He returned to full life at the end of season 1 to take on megatronus. He wasn't shown as much as bee and the others but most episodes shown him training to beat his fellow prime
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Re: IDW Transformers - The Reboot? Discussion Thread

Postby Galactic Prime » Wed May 02, 2018 12:01 pm

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:No one in Transformers is as overexposed as Prime and Megatron.

All I'm saying is shuffle the deck. There are hundreds of Transformers. You make characters popular by using and promoting them.

Of course, let's not forget that both Hasbro and Takara have killed off Megatron and Prime before, replacing them with better characters.

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It wasn't "retarded" then, although the OTT backlash to that was questionable...
The gist I'm getting here is you're either a fan of Transformers or a fan of Optimus Prime, which again, is insane.


Optimus and Megatron have never been replaced with better leaders. Also one can be a Fan of Optimus AND a Transformers fan, the two are not mutually exclusive.

I mean let's be honest, Are Rodimus and Galvatron better leaders? Nope. Were Starsaber and Deathsaurus? Nope. Were Optimus Primal and BW Megatron? Nope.

You may think some of them were, but the facts don't back you up.
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Re: IDW Transformers - The Reboot? Discussion Thread

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Wed May 02, 2018 12:11 pm

I want to preface this by saying I said better Characters, not Leaders.

Galvatron, being Mad, perhaps wasn't the best leader. But he was a better character. Rodimus, The Chosen One by The Matrix itself, is canonically The Leader of the Autobots by the end of the War, in most continuities. That would technically make him the better leader. Finishing something Prime was incapable of doing.

BW Megatron also conquered Cybertron singlehandedly, he is the most successful Megatron because he actually got stuff done. He is also a much better character than his G1 counterpart, because he has depth.

I wouldn't have a clue about the Takara Series characters. Then again, they finished their Wars. Prime and Megatron never did.
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Re: IDW Transformers - The Reboot? Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Wed May 02, 2018 12:24 pm

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Bw megatron is downright ruthless and unlike megatron in the animated movie, we found out exactly how he conquered cybertron and brought it to heel. Idw is the best megatron to me, g1 toon megatron is just a standard Saturday morning villain.

Also I much prefer Ginrai to op any day of the week. Also animated did a nice take on Optimus, and it gave ultra magnus the chance st leadership he deserved...and a nice big hammer.
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Re: IDW Transformers - The Reboot? Discussion Thread

Postby Galactic Prime » Wed May 02, 2018 12:29 pm

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I want to preface this by saying I said better Characters, not Leaders.

Galvatron, being Mad, perhaps wasn't the best leader. But he was a better character. Rodimus, The Chosen One by The Matrix itself, is canonically The Leader of the Autobots by the end of the War, in most continuities. That would technically make him the better leader. Finishing something Prime was incapable of doing.

BW Megatron also conquered Cybertron singlehandedly, he is the most successful Megatron because he actually got stuff done. He is also a much better character than his G1 counterpart, because he has depth.

I wouldn't have a clue about the Takara Series characters. Then again, they finished their Wars. Prime and Megatron never did.


And yet again, Galvatron and Rodimus were not better characters. Neither were BW Primal and Megs. The facts and vast opinions of most fans don't back that up.

Optimus Prime has always been the leader by the end of the war in every iteration of G1.

I understand everyone likes some characters better than others, but if you think Hasbro is going to ditch Optimus and Megatron, or have them talk a step back then you're mistaken.
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Re: IDW Transformers - The Reboot? Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Wed May 02, 2018 1:19 pm

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Isn't the war over in the end of the animated movie? When RP is the leader? You are correct about the movie, and technically op was the leader at the end of the Japanese g1...just in his starconvoy guise. Though I'm curious as to what facts you have about the beast wars leaders. Are you sure you're not letting nostalgia get in the way? I can understand not wanting to met people talk bad about something you cherished as a child, but there was many problems with G1. If you can see past them then good on you, but some of us see the original series as a flawed 80s toon which premise showed great promise in the hands of the right creators. Which creators is subject to debate and is never likely to be fully agreed across the fandom
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Re: IDW Transformers - The Reboot? Discussion Thread

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Wed May 02, 2018 1:26 pm

ZeroWolf wrote:Bw megatron is downright ruthless and unlike megatron in the animated movie, we found out exactly how he conquered cybertron and brought it to heel. Idw is the best megatron to me, g1 toon megatron is just a standard Saturday morning villain.

Also I much prefer Ginrai to op any day of the week. Also animated did a nice take on Optimus, and it gave ultra magnus the chance st leadership he deserved...and a nice big hammer.



What is going wrong with this thread? I keep getting a message saying there are new comments and this is the only one at the bottom of the page???
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Re: IDW Transformers - The Reboot? Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Wed May 02, 2018 1:41 pm

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I get that as well, I sometimes get notifications that send me nowhere from time to time.
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