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Re: IDW Transformers vs Visionaries Discussion Thread

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Re: IDW Transformers vs Visionaries Discussion Thread

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Re: IDW Transformers vs Visionaries Discussion Thread

Postby Bumblevivisector » Fri Jan 26, 2018 10:53 pm

ZeroWolf wrote:That link doesn't appear to work, just to let you know

Don't bother responding, I think he's just a spambot.

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Re: IDW Transformers vs Visionaries Discussion Thread

Postby Deadput » Sat Jan 27, 2018 1:44 am

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Man, I really do not like the Darkling guys, especially the chick she's just so smug and obnoxious, but not just her lines and character, the stupid poses she makes on covers and such just make me want to pop in the Hasbro verse and just punch her in her stupid mug...


Anyways, in comparison I actually like the Spectral Knights, they seem to be actually decent folk I like them better then the Joe's already.



But seriously screw Virulina and Wizard guy too.
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Re: IDW Transformers vs Visionaries Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Sat Jan 27, 2018 4:50 am

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If you want to dive into a comic and throttle them I think the writers are doing a good job of highlighting them as the bad guys ;-) I bet if the visionaries get their own solo series they'll start to add more layers than these characterisations currently. Pure bad guys are fun and all but I rather see why they are like that and see them in moments of doubt.
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Full Preview of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #2

Postby Va'al » Sat Jan 27, 2018 8:06 am

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Out next week from IDW Publishing is the second issue (of 5) of the current crossover mini-series featuring Transformers vs Visionaries. The battle between two 80s brands in the pages of a comic that has had mixed initial reactions continues, as the Darkling Lords reveal their actual motives and actions, as the Spectral Knights prepare to resist - Cybertronians are also there.

Check it out below mirrored from Adventures in Poor Taste!, and join the discussion in the Energon Pub!

Virulina, leader of the Darkling Lords, has discovered that the Transformers are vulnerable to magic–and now she’s using that weakness to try and gain control of Cybertron and wipe them out! Leoric and Ironhide team up to stop her, but quickly find themselves facing not only the Darkling Lords, but all of New Prysmos itself!

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· Don’t miss the vintage style cover by Philip Murphy!

· Variant cover by Brendan Cahill!

Transformers Vs. Visionaries #2
Written by Magdalene Visaggio
Art by Fico Ossio
Color by David Garcia Cruz
Release Date January 31, 2018
FC • 32 pages • $3.99



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Re: IDW Transformers vs Visionaries Discussion Thread

Postby ScottyP » Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:55 am

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Not that I think anyone's too fussed about it, but review of #2 will be up later on tonight.

Spoiler: it was awful but just in the regular boring-awful kind of way, not the insulting-awful way #1 was.
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Re: IDW Transformers vs Visionaries Discussion Thread

Postby Deadput » Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:17 pm

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ScottyP wrote:Not that I think anyone's too fussed about it, but review of #2 will be up later on tonight.

Spoiler: it was awful but just in the regular boring-awful kind of way, not the insulting-awful way #1 was.


Well...I guess that's a "improvement" in a sort of it's still not good way.
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Re: IDW Transformers vs Visionaries Discussion Thread

Postby Daniel Adkins » Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:38 am

ScottyP wrote:Not that I think anyone's too fussed about it, but review of #2 will be up later on tonight.

Spoiler: it was awful but just in the regular boring-awful kind of way, not the insulting-awful way #1 was.

Wait, y'all still got review copies even though the book didn't get released?
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Re: IDW Transformers vs Visionaries Discussion Thread

Postby ScottyP » Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:32 pm

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ScottyP wrote:Not that I think anyone's too fussed about it, but review of #2 will be up later on tonight.

Spoiler: it was awful but just in the regular boring-awful kind of way, not the insulting-awful way #1 was.

Wait, y'all still got review copies even though the book didn't get released?
We're able to access them along with other press outlets the Friday before release. Every once in a while, this being one of those times, stuff gets delayed at the very very last minute. Even IDW's weekly newsletter lists this and SSF 2 as being out 1/31, so something really weird must have happened! Ah well, work's done so I can just hold off on posting it for six more days.
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Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #2

Postby ScottyP » Wed Feb 07, 2018 6:20 am

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One of These Things Is Not Like The Other: Part 2 (of 2)
A review of IDW's latest Visionaries comic, Transformers vs Visionaries #2

Very Spoiler Filled - You Have Been Warned!
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Two comics arrive from IDW Publishing this week that feature Transformers, in the form of Transformers vs. Visionaries #2, which is the topic of this review, and Scarlett's Strike Force #2. These reviews will both be pretty spoiler heavy, as this is meant to assist with comparisons and contrasts with the other book whose review is meant to be read before or after this as a companion piece. You can find that review, for the lastest chapter of Scarlett's Strike Force by clicking or tapping on over to this link.

I found myself quite enjoying one of this week's entries in the IDW Hasbro Universe, and really not enjoying the other at all. Which will Transformers vs. Visionaries #2 be? Read on to find out! Or if you read these in Part 1, Part 2 order, you already know!

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Number of Autobots with emergency vehicle alt modes that are called: 0

This is one ridiculous, completely unbelievable, out of this world comic. There are magical aliens with a portion of their planet trapped on Cybertron, which is itself a planet of sentient, giant robots. There are light totems fighting other light totems, holograms, magicians, and even a villain character that somehow has that trendy but ugly Skrillex haircut where half of someone's head is buzzed down with like a #2 clipper but then the rest is really long and they comb it over and look, very very few people can pull that off without looking strung out so let's stop that. There are only 20 pages, so you're probably thinking there's no way that could all work together in a coherent, meaningful way. If so, you'd be right - like this opening paragraph, this comic just isn't very good.

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Like when Budiansky did it except not because it's really poorly executed

Character moments are important. These need to exist in stories like this. Roll-call moments are a nice way to do this, and with a cast that isn't tremendously large there should be opportunity to present some establishing lines that give the Spectral Knights unity but also some individuality. Leoric aside, this opportunity isn't really taken. Sure, Witterquick is fast, but that's sort of implied by his name. Arzon says things, sure, but none of it feels like anything uniquely his to say. Galadria makes some wooden point/counter-point retorts. I don't feel like I know anything about these characters, while over in Scarlett's Strike Force #2 a similarly unfamiliar (to me) pair in Raptor and Croc Master were introduced who ooze so much personality that I can already tell you which one is an accountant with opinions on the evolutionary path of avian species.

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Wheeljack should have already figured out this fruit-based vulnerability

That's really the crux of the problem with Transformers vs. Visionaries now that we're past the initial, questionable setup. Why are they here? I don't mean "why are they on Cybertron", as the story explains this, it's more of a question of why they're in this role at this time in this fictional universe. Borrowing now a bit from fellow comic reviewer/fellow site Administrator Va'al, Magdalene Visaggio, while not a bad writer, falls into the trap JJ Abrams did in Star Wars: The Force Awakens where the setting is just... the setting. New Prysmos is ultimately on Cybertron because someone in marketing and/or editorial said so, despite what the story tells you. That's not a good feeling to deliver to readers two books in to an attempt at re-launching a franchise which three people (not an exact figure) had any nostalgia for.

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Things just happen for no reason. It's great that we get to see some spectral totem animal fights - a dolphin with a unicorn horn fighting a gorilla is freaking awesome, but why not give a reason for why they use this ability beyond the already implied "because that's what they do"? Maybe Cybertron has some latent energy allowing this lost art (if it even was) to be used again or something like that. You can tell the pitch here was for a Visionaries story, and instead of taking the Transformers element and having fun with the toy box, it feels shuffled off to the side in what is I daresay an antagonistic manner.

Virulina thinks this is all stupid, so she wants to kill all the Cybertronians. This does not make her charming or compelling, it makes her a shallow caricature.

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It's not quite the G1 cartoon anymore though, is it? Maybe read some other Transformers material, yeah?

There's another comic out this week that isn't about Transformers which contains a Transformers character, that character being Skywarp. If you read that review first, you'll know that Skywarp is handled really well and brings something beyond the basics that's fun to read.

Transformers vs. Visionaries #2 continues to primarily feature Ironhide and Wheeljack for its cast of Cybertronians. Ironhide is one of the most well developed characters in IDW's Transformers lore, yet he continues to take more steps backwards towards the irrational Sunbow cartoon gunslinger in this issue. Wheeljack, who is known for his wit, irritability, and blazingly-fast science work in IDW, is presented as an entirely incompetent lab rat that "needs more time". IDW Wheeljack doesn't need more time, he needs you to shut up so he can do science faster and save Cybertron again. Someone please buy Visaggio an IDW Transformers back catalog. Please.

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Yeah ok, this in particular is pretty cool.

The art is perhaps the one thing saving this from complete irrelevancy. Fico Ossio does an outstanding job throughout with the humanoid characters, with the panel above of Leoric guaranteed to wash away any desire you had left to see the 80s cartoon Burt Reynolds looking version of the character. There's still a little I'd like to see out of his robotic output, mainly in the faces, but it reeks more of unfamiliarity than a lack of ability. The spectral totems look great, the environments look great, and the layouts are a treat while still being easy to follow. For what little story there is, Ossio does everything I can imagine to enhance it. The pairing of his lines with colors from David Garcia Cruz continues to be a natural fit, with things popping where they should and blending smoothly where they shouldn't. Shawn Lee's letters complement the action and never get in the way of the visual storytelling work done by the book's layouts.

There are three covers available for the issue, including the "A" cover by the Ossio/Garcia Cruz team which is seen in this news story's thumbnail. As always, you can find images of all of the covers and full credits for the issue in our Vector Sigma Database page for Transformers vs Visionaries #2, but do note it contains a character appearance list that may yield more spoilers!

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At least this one isn't insulting?

Va'al's review of the first issue didn't yield a very high score, but it's about double what I would have given that issue. This is a little better because I can at least imagine some modicum of future potential after reading it. The book is nice to look - the art really is well done - but make no mistake, this is a Visionaries comic with Transformers used as seasoning, and sparingly. It seems like the creative team is disappointed that they have to play with other properties. At least that's what comes through on the page, because this story and its lack thereof continues to be high-level disappointment.

This is the series that should be ending after three issues.

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Re: IDW Transformers vs Visionaries Discussion Thread

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Wed Feb 07, 2018 8:58 am

So this is my first time hearing about this series (I am out of the loop in IDWverse - clearly). So looking through this thread and the scans, well, things to say...

What have they done? These redesigns are absolutely horrendous. That's not Merklynn, it looks like his "edgy" punk nephew. Likewise Leoric didn't actually look like a damn lion :roll:
Why is Virulina, a sub-character at best, leader of the Darkling Lords? Where is Darkstorm, the only fleshed out and charismatic Darkling Lord?
Why does this book even exist?? If they wanted to revive Visionaries (for the 20 people out there who remember a cartoon that only lasted one season) just make a Visionaries mini-series. The editorial mandate of this crossover reeks of low level marketing. Trying to capitalize on the "Shared Universe" BS Marvel needed to sell C-List characters to a mainstream audience with the MCU.

The worst part was I actually liked Visionaries. The Original. The show, the toys (which I owed a fair few) etc This, like Bayformers, I will never endorse nor support in any way.

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Re: IDW Transformers vs Visionaries Discussion Thread

Postby ScottyP » Wed Feb 07, 2018 9:14 am

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You're not missing much :) This reeks of wasted potential and it makes me sad.

I think they had to scramble for an IP to replace Inhumanoids, which they were actually building to in GI Joe, Rom, and MASK post-Revolution, but we got this instead. There was close to 0 build to it despite what snarky wiki articles that have the benefit of hindsight will try to tell you. Way too early, needed a slow build instead of what they just dropped in on a dime.
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Re: IDW Transformers vs Visionaries Discussion Thread

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Wed Feb 07, 2018 9:28 am

ScottyP wrote:You're not missing much :) This reeks of wasted potential and it makes me sad.

I think they had to scramble for an IP to replace Inhumanoids, which they were actually building to in GI Joe, Rom, and MASK post-Revolution, but we got this instead. There was close to 0 build to it despite what snarky wiki articles that have the benefit of hindsight will try to tell you. Way too early, needed a slow build instead of what they just dropped in on a dime.



:shock: MASK is part of this as well??? :roll: Let me guess, T-Bob is Cybertronian now? :P
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Re: IDW Transformers vs Visionaries Discussion Thread

Postby ScottyP » Wed Feb 07, 2018 9:51 am

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ScottyP wrote:You're not missing much :) This reeks of wasted potential and it makes me sad.

I think they had to scramble for an IP to replace Inhumanoids, which they were actually building to in GI Joe, Rom, and MASK post-Revolution, but we got this instead. There was close to 0 build to it despite what snarky wiki articles that have the benefit of hindsight will try to tell you. Way too early, needed a slow build instead of what they just dropped in on a dime.



:shock: MASK is part of this as well??? :roll: Let me guess, T-Bob is Cybertronian now? :P
Nah, IDW MASK actually has a cool premise. Be warned it's nothing like the original, but the short version:

  • Miles Mayhem, formerly of the Adventure Team (you know, with Joe Colton and Atomic Man and Stalker and Rocketman?), is some kind of military-industrial tycoon or something and wants to defend Earth from future attacks like Megatron's from All Hail Megatron.
  • When the opportunity arises, the EDC and Chinese Army capture Blitzwing in a battle (Transformers 54 I think? Somewhere in All Hail Optimus)
  • Mayhem tortures and dissects Blitzwing over time, studying the tech and using it to create the MASK vehicles
  • He then has Dr. Mindbender identify a bunch of candidates for MASK, so you get the intro of Matt Trakker, Bruno Sheppard, Gloria Baker, and so on
  • During Revolution they go fight as instructed, this leads to tensions between Trakker and Mayhem when Trakker realizes Cybertronians are more like people than machines, and eventually the MASK/VENOM split happens

Then things don't go well, the series has been canceled, and Matt Trakker is part of GI Joe now, still using the codename Spectrum. Miles Mayhem is in jail on Cybertron. None of the other characters were really all that interesting. It's too bad, it had potential! If you liked the old MASK, you might enjoy the Annual from last year, which is a retelling of the pilot episode "The Deathstone" using the current IDW Hasbroverse.
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Re: IDW Transformers vs Visionaries Discussion Thread

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:01 am

MASK, I actually didn't like prior. I like sci-fi, robots etc Earth Based vehicles, don't really do anything for me.

Honestly those highlights sound like almost as much of a complete suspension of disbelief as the Visionaries story above. A silly little human shouldn't be able to pose any threat whatsoever to a 50 foot alien robot. That's Bayformers BS :roll:

Do you remember when, throughout the -Ations, Simon Furman hammered home how Earth had no real significance to the Transformers at all. That it was just another battlefield, one of countless others? I do, those were good times...
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Re: IDW Transformers vs Visionaries Discussion Thread

Postby ScottyP » Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:12 am

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Do you remember when, throughout the -Ations, Simon Furman hammered home how Earth had no real significance to the Transformers at all. That it was just another battlefield, one of countless others? I do, those were good times...
There are definitely characters still treating it that way, making for a good bit of tension in the current Optimus Prime series. OP wants to treat it as something special, while Camiens (such as Mistress of Flame, Victorion), Carcerians (such as Elita One, Obsidian, Strika) are more wary and will likely make some move against Prime at some point. Unless Onyx and Maximo and Unicron do first, but at any rate the seeds are there!

Doesn't sound like you're going to be into it either way, but if you liked Furman's stories you may want to look into recent Lost Light issues, which have picked up several plots that had been dropped for the AHM soft-reboot.
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Re: IDW Transformers vs Visionaries Discussion Thread

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:18 am

ScottyP wrote:
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Do you remember when, throughout the -Ations, Simon Furman hammered home how Earth had no real significance to the Transformers at all. That it was just another battlefield, one of countless others? I do, those were good times...
There are definitely characters still treating it that way, making for a good bit of tension in the current Optimus Prime series. OP wants to treat it as something special, while Camiens (such as Mistress of Flame, Victorion), Carcerians (such as Elita One, Obsidian, Strika) are more wary and will likely make some move against Prime at some point. Unless Onyx and Maximo and Unicron do first, but at any rate the seeds are there!

Doesn't sound like you're going to be into it either way, but if you liked Furman's stories you may want to look into recent Lost Light issues, which have picked up several plots that had been dropped for the AHM soft-reboot.


So, I tapped out of IDWverse with Death of Optimus Prime. So none of that made sense to me :lol:

Although I did see Unicron :BOOM: So they've finally done it, they brought him into IDW? No more palming off D-Void as the Real Thing. Can we forget about the entire Dead Universe/Heart of Darkness stuff now? Assuming Galvatron did resurface following CHAOS? Alongside Scourge and Cyclonus??
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Re: IDW Transformers vs Visionaries Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:20 am

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Galvatron came back and was leader of the cons for a while after the dark cybertron event.
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Re: IDW Transformers vs Visionaries Discussion Thread

Postby ScottyP » Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:28 am

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:
Although I did see Unicron :BOOM: So they've finally done it, they brought him into IDW? No more palming off D-Void as the Real Thing. Can we forget about the entire Dead Universe/Heart of Darkness stuff now? Assuming Galvatron did resurface following CHAOS? Alongside Scourge and Cyclonus??
You mentioned suspension of disbelief before, and I feel like I need to find a gif of Max Landis right before he explains WWE's The Undertaker :lol: Anyhow, prepare that suspension of disbelief because out of context like this, it's about to take a beating: Scourge is real dead, as in "Whirl played around with his and/or The Sweeps' corpses" dead, but might also kind of be Slag now, kinda, but it's fuzzy and unlikely. Galvatron is Arcee's brother, a legendary conqueror, and also dead, having been decapitated above Jupiter by Optimus Prime. Cyclonus is traveling in space with Hot Rod, Ultra Magnus, and many others, and is currently in mourning over the death of his boyfriend, Tailgate.
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Re: IDW Transformers vs Visionaries Discussion Thread

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:04 am

ScottyP wrote:You mentioned suspension of disbelief before, and I feel like I need to find a gif of Max Landis right before he explains WWE's The Undertaker :lol: Anyhow, prepare that suspension of disbelief because out of context like this, it's about to take a beating: Scourge is real dead, as in "Whirl played around with his and/or The Sweeps' corpses" dead, but might also kind of be Slag now, kinda, but it's fuzzy and unlikely. Galvatron is Arcee's brother, a legendary conqueror, and also dead, having been decapitated above Jupiter by Optimus Prime. Cyclonus is traveling in space with Hot Rod, Ultra Magnus, and many others, and is currently in mourning over the death of his boyfriend, Tailgate.


Right, so not too long ago I heard about a TF book, that was along the same lines as DC & Marvel's Elseworlds/What If? imprint. Alternate reality tales. Now this has been done before (Hearts of Steel, I think it was called?)but this book in particular caught my attention. It focused on The Movie, my G1 anchor. So I read it.. and it came across as the most trite and bitter fan-fiction from a malcontent Fanboy. Still butthurt that their favourites died in The Movie. Everyone from the Movie cast was more or less purged in favour of the old has-beens. I actually threw the book away.

I bring this up, as this is the same gist I'm getting from what you're telling me here.

Galvatron, who even from previous IDW continuity, was established as being one of the most powerful Transformers, even without his Dead Universe powerset IE beyond Prime. DEAD

Scourge. Who ultimately did nothing but be a visual cameo. The Sweeps did more than he did. DEAD - worse still, off-panel.

Cyclonus. Not a Decepticon, alongside nonsensical "divide" from Galvatron in CHAOS, just because he was wanted solo in another book.

So the most iconic Trinity in TF no longer exists in IDWverse.

No Rodimus Prime. Although Hot Rod possessed the Matrix and it was even mentioned bonded with it in a greater way than Prime ever did.

Kup. Keeps dying.

Arcee. An interesting allegory for Transgender (before it was a buzzword). Now with no real ties to Hot Rod, Blurr or Springer. Now with added nonsense about being Galvatron's brother? "siblings" in Transformers share molds. Without insight into what Arcee looked like before Jhiaxus, it's an entirely pointless fact.

Springer. Awol since Last Stand of The Wreckers. Again with no ties to Hot Rod, Blurr and/or Arcee. Solid ties to Kup though.

Wheelie. Who cares :roll:

Blurr. No ties to any of the Movie cast.

You see my point. Meanwhile Prime and all of the other Fodder from The Movie continues to live and thrive in IDWverse... :roll:
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Re: IDW Transformers vs Visionaries Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:06 pm

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Ahh you're talking about the what if issue where hot rod didn't jump in the way. Has anyone told you yet that megs is an autobot now and that Prowl was part of devestator?

To steal from the G2 comic a little,"IDW is not your father's G1" so don't treat as such and you'll be fine. It's better anyway then the old G1 in my opinion...though that gets tested when the editorial team do crossovers for the sake of launching a different franchise completely
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Re: IDW Transformers vs Visionaries Discussion Thread

Postby Sunstar » Wed Feb 07, 2018 2:14 pm

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Deadput wrote:Man, I really do not like the Darkling guys, especially the chick she's just so smug and obnoxious, but not just her lines and character, the stupid poses she makes on covers and such just make me want to pop in the Hasbro verse and just punch her in her stupid mug...

But seriously screw Virulina and Wizard guy too.


Normally I can sympathise with the bad guys... Not here, and for the same reason. I just want to beat her smug expression off her ugly face. I dislike her personality, her smugness, her drawings, her - in general existence. Obnoxious is putting it gently.


As for this second book I am not impressed at all. I mean where are the transformers in this book? we get a couple (4) pages of them, a tiny smattering compared to the others. "Fleshy little Starscreams" I'm sorry but Starscream is nothing like them - Starscream actually did care for things.
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