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Lately there have been a lot of news reports about racism and discrimination by cops towards blacks near where I live(bout 45 minutes from Cleveland).

Now, I'm not saying that cops can't be racist, but do these people ever think if they weren't carrying guns, knives, and/or drugs then maybe they wouldn't get treated badly?

I have never understood that.

All these people that are complaining about it seem to forget they are strapped, and minors, which is illegal.

Not to mention the narcotics that have been found on them.

They always seem to blame it on growing up in the ghetto and the like.

I came from the ghetto, and I don't go around carrying guns.

And I don't do drugs.

My point is, why wear your pants around your knees, carrying the gats, and drugs?

Maybe they need to remember they are breaking the law before they throw the race card out there.

/end rant

It's not just your area. It seems the quikest way for a black man to get outa trouble around here is to throw out the "race card". Hell we even have Black people accusing Black cops of being racist towards them.

The same thing happens when its a white kid/perp.

They say the cop is being discriminatory because the kid is dressed a certain way or the people the kid rolls with.

If you are rolling with a gang you deserve to be treated like a criminal.

Its kinda piontless to rant about....when ever anyone gets in trouble they play their aces. I ussually use the....sigh....goody two shoes card.

"Look at me! I am so nice! I am a teacher, and i come from such a nice quiet town" And bat eyelids for effect.

Its just life, girls play the sexual harazment card, and minorities play the race card.

I am not saying that racism and other abuses dont happen, but i am saying that u cant expect any cornered individual not to use every trick in the book in order to get outta trouble.

Yo Yo Yo Homies!
Why you gotta be like that. You know the
pigs is out ta get us all. If the PoPo gonna be strapped a gots ta protect mine. Most of the time those 'protectors' are bored and looking for some trouble, specially in small towns.
Now I'm not sayin' they aren't supposed to stop real crimes or apprehend the perps who commit them, but a lot of the time
they find some minor league hoodrats and harass them to no avail. I can't tell you how many xs I've wanted to exact some revenge on some pig a$$ mofoes, but I really don't wanna do time. I have friends who've done time for small time shi
and let me tell you, they get out even more bitter than when they went in. I would too.
Sometimes illegal activities are the only way some people know how to survive. Oh it's easy to say"Why don't they go back to school. Why don't they get a real job." Word. they can't afford to go to school. They won't get public assistance unless they can consistently conform to the
strict rules put in place by the gov. guidelines.
Even if they tried odds are they would get sucked back into
their old habits in a few weeks. And once found out they would be permanently stripped of any future assistance.

I don't feel safe when I see a cruiser. I feel like they are trying to impose some kind of gestapo force. The days of the Mayberry police force is over. Now it's a battle over fiscal
responsibilities and that means heavy fines and jail time for
small time hoods and gangstas. The people in bad neighborhoods have created unique living standards and because that doesn't always fit into the societal rules placed on paperwork they get pushed around by 'Authority' in an attempt to straighten them out by force. Breaking up families and placing children in separate foster homes because mommy and daddy where selling pot. 9 times out of 10 those foster homes don't help those kids, it just makes them resent 'Authority' more because they don't have a family anymore.
Those kids will grow up and be just like the thugs society
tries to prevent. They will become mean bastards with the feeling everyone is out to get them. Those kids will in turn end up being harassed and toss out that race card.

Obviously you didn't see the part where I said I come from the same place as them.

You don't have to break the law to survive.

There is no reason for these so called "thugs" to tote around guns.

End of story.

Maybe you didn't have to so obviously you had a level of safety you felt. Not everybody in those circumstances gets the opportunity to leave the slums.
If you never carried weapons then either you had friends that did or you were just REALLY lucky you never got shanked for your property.

Cops don't carry guns in NZL, however, they're starting too in some places, although there's a lot of red tape to get one holstered. There are shot guns and weapons held at cop shops and they can get those quick smart.

Despite that, police down here are treated like crap by gangs and thugs - primarily because they know they're not packing half the time. Although in our major cities they're trialing tasers (the cops, not the thugs).

Just on the weekened a 2 year old was killed in the cross fire of a gang drive by. Frankly, I think gangs and thugs are just cowardly idiots, they're not cool, and the sooner they realise they're just a pack of loosers the better off we'll all be, including innocent kids who tend to whind up being the victims.

Mind you, "P" (methamphetmine... sp??) is causing an increase in violence.

In closing, to reiterate: gangs are not cool. If your'e in a gang and think your'e cool, you're not, you're a fu*king idiot.

I grew up in a bad household. Drugs, pets being drowned on purpose, beatings, yelling, food not always available, cops being regular visitors, etc.

Now: Cannot afford college, or have medical insurense without help, hard time finding a job, still living with parents.

I will NOT use illegal means to get by. Illegal means looks good in the short run, but you are actually shooting youself in the foot, some military branches will not take someone with a record (possibly Marines) for enlistment. Having a record will sometimes limit job choices. Illegal means, as I've said, looks good in the short run, but it WILL catch up to you eventually, espcially at a time when you really don't need it.

DISCHARGE wrote:Maybe you didn't have to so obviously you had a level of safety you felt. Not everybody in those circumstances gets the opportunity to leave the slums.
If you never carried weapons then either you had friends that did or you were just REALLY lucky you never got shanked for your property.

You are missing my point.

There is no reason for them to carry weapons.

AT ALL.

I never used a weapon.

I saw a woman get raped and killed right in front of me.

What do I do?

If you guess pull out a gun and shoot the asshole you would be sadly mistaken.

I called the cops and guess what?

The guy is behind bars for raping and killing the woman.

The situation should have never happened but because the asshole PUT himself in the situation by carrying a gun and intended to hurt someone, in this case raping and then shooting a woman. He deserves to pay.

I had my house broken into numerous times.

The cops even suggested my moms boyfriend was responsible for some of the break ins, even though he wasn't.

There is no reason for so called gangs to be carrying weapons.

Apollyon wrote:

DISCHARGE wrote:Maybe you didn't have to so obviously you had a level of safety you felt. Not everybody in those circumstances gets the opportunity to leave the slums.
If you never carried weapons then either you had friends that did or you were just REALLY lucky you never got shanked for your property.

You are missing my point.

There is no reason for them to carry weapons.

AT ALL.

I never used a weapon.

Like DISCHARGE said you were lucky!!!I grew up in one of the sh*ttist area's of Brooklyn and Queens NYC back in the late 70's & 80's and I've been out on my own since I was 13 years old.I had to carry and god forgive me use weapons just to stay alive! I'm a P.Rican but I dont look it.I have Bright blue/green eyes and my hair lighten's to almost redish blond in the summer.Most people think I was Irish or Italin when I was growing up and I was surounded by gang warfare,drug dealers and prositutsion on every block on my way to and from school,or to the store or anywhere.Looking the way I did I was a target for the gangs and dealers.I got jumped to many times to count....I've been shot a few times and stabed also about 10 times....... and the police were no help at all. Most cops thought I was some white kid from Howard Beach or Long Island looking to buy drugs so they wouldnt help at all and sometimes arrested me for being there.The cops that would stop and try to help werent any better ether because once they would ask me my name and heard my last name [Diaz] They would turn around and drop me off on the next corner to have to fight my way home all over again. One cop even told me off for trying to look white.Being a 13 y/old white looking kid living on his own in my area was like having a "KICK MY ASS" sign pasted on my back.Carrying a weapon was the only way for me to stay alive...and I would gather that a lot of "THESE'S PEOPLE" as you put it feel the same way even if for other reason's.Not every one has a support system at home....or a home at all!!!!

And yet Sto_vo_kor those very same gansters and dealers that were causing you so much trouble are the very same ones who cry race when they get into trouble. And of course the Revrend Jacksons and such take up the cry and get them off so they can go hurt sombody else.

Now yes the cops there were part of the problem, but it's the ability of a drug dealer, drunk driver, rapist, murder ext. to get off just by crying out "police brutality" "hate crime" ect. that is the real and truely serious problem here.

Jar Axel wrote:And yet Sto_vo_kor those very same gansters and dealers that were causing you so much trouble are the very same ones who cry race when they get into trouble. And of course the Revrend Jacksons and such take up the cry and get them off so they can go hurt sombody else.

Now yes the cops there were part of the problem, but it's the ability of a drug dealer, drunk driver, rapist, murder ext. to get off just by crying out "police brutality" "hate crime" ect. that is the real and truely serious problem here.

I would say that the "real and truely serious problem here" is that there is still so much "police brutality" and miss conduct in the U.S. that gives the drug dealer's,robber's rapist's,drunk driver's, murder's and so on the ability to use the claim.Now I'll be the first to admit that not every cop is a problem...but the issue is that the people in charge of asigning officers to their commands have a habit of posting problemed cops with anger issues to commands in bad areas.Before you know it you have a house of cop's all with poor popple skills and anger manegment issues in area's that dont like cop's.And they do this in every city with hi-crime area's.Before you know it you have some street kid mouthing of to a cop and then the cop get's into it with him and he take's him down harder then he had to[take's an extra swing at the kid]...then you have a brutality complaint on the officer.It's a never ending circle.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Jar Axel wrote:And yet Sto_vo_kor those very same gansters and dealers that were causing you so much trouble are the very same ones who cry race when they get into trouble. And of course the Revrend Jacksons and such take up the cry and get them off so they can go hurt sombody else.

Now yes the cops there were part of the problem, but it's the ability of a drug dealer, drunk driver, rapist, murder ext. to get off just by crying out "police brutality" "hate crime" ect. that is the real and truely serious problem here.

I would say that the "real and truely serious problem here" is that there is still so much "police brutality" and miss conduct in the U.S. that gives the drug dealer's,robber's rapist's,drunk driver's, murder's and so on the ability to use the claim.Now I'll be the first to admit that not every cop is a problem...but the issue is that the people in charge of asigning officers to their commands have a habit of posting problemed cops with anger issues to commands in bad areas.Before you know it you have a house of cop's all with poor popple skills and anger manegment issues in area's that dont like cop's.And they do this in every city with hi-crime area's.Before you know it you have some street kid mouthing of to a cop and then the cop get's into it with him and he take's him down harder then he had to[take's an extra swing at the kid]...then you have a brutality complaint on the officer.It's a never ending circle.

and how do you end that never ending cycle? letting everyone carry a a gun and just excusing the thugs bad behaviour as necassary? yeah, that's a viable solution.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Jar Axel wrote:And yet Sto_vo_kor those very same gansters and dealers that were causing you so much trouble are the very same ones who cry race when they get into trouble. And of course the Revrend Jacksons and such take up the cry and get them off so they can go hurt sombody else.

Now yes the cops there were part of the problem, but it's the ability of a drug dealer, drunk driver, rapist, murder ext. to get off just by crying out "police brutality" "hate crime" ect. that is the real and truely serious problem here.

I would say that the "real and truely serious problem here" is that there is still so much "police brutality" and miss conduct in the U.S. that gives the drug dealer's,robber's rapist's,drunk driver's, murder's and so on the ability to use the claim.Now I'll be the first to admit that not every cop is a problem...but the issue is that the people in charge of asigning officers to their commands have a habit of posting problemed cops with anger issues to commands in bad areas.Before you know it you have a house of cop's all with poor popple skills and anger manegment issues in area's that dont like cop's.And they do this in every city with hi-crime area's.Before you know it you have some street kid mouthing of to a cop and then the cop get's into it with him and he take's him down harder then he had to[take's an extra swing at the kid]...then you have a brutality complaint on the officer.It's a never ending circle.

Well, if the street kid's parents had done a better job raising him/her, then he/she wouldn't be mouthing off. Kid got what was coming to him/her.

Tammuz wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Jar Axel wrote:And yet Sto_vo_kor those very same gansters and dealers that were causing you so much trouble are the very same ones who cry race when they get into trouble. And of course the Revrend Jacksons and such take up the cry and get them off so they can go hurt sombody else.

Now yes the cops there were part of the problem, but it's the ability of a drug dealer, drunk driver, rapist, murder ext. to get off just by crying out "police brutality" "hate crime" ect. that is the real and truely serious problem here.

I would say that the "real and truely serious problem here" is that there is still so much "police brutality" and miss conduct in the U.S. that gives the drug dealer's,robber's rapist's,drunk driver's, murder's and so on the ability to use the claim.Now I'll be the first to admit that not every cop is a problem...but the issue is that the people in charge of asigning officers to their commands have a habit of posting problemed cops with anger issues to commands in bad areas.Before you know it you have a house of cop's all with poor popple skills and anger manegment issues in area's that dont like cop's.And they do this in every city with hi-crime area's.Before you know it you have some street kid mouthing of to a cop and then the cop get's into it with him and he take's him down harder then he had to[take's an extra swing at the kid]...then you have a brutality complaint on the officer.It's a never ending circle.

and how do you end that never ending cycle? letting everyone carry a a gun and just excusing the thugs bad behaviour as necassary? yeah, that's a viable solution.

Did u read somewhere in my post? That I was advocating for these so called thugs? If so please point it out to me. I was just responding to someones earlier post about their never being a need to carry weapons in bad neighboorhoods.
I was also speaking from my life experience,in dealing with both (as you call them thugs) and police misconduct.I also pointed out the managitorial placing of officers with bad track records in dealing with minorities and gang members and have exhibited force issues and placing them in large numbers in neighboorhoods with high gang activity DELIBERATLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Its a recipe for disaster. Its only a matter of time before you have a single cop(if not more) who loses his temper for just a bit,and takes a few extra swings with a billyclub and that gives these thugs the ability "To get off" and get back on the street.I wasnt offering a solution,but better managing skills and better placement of some of these officers may not reduce gang activity but it would limit the ability for these criminals to claim police brutality and prove it in a court of law.

Ironhidensh wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Jar Axel wrote:And yet Sto_vo_kor those very same gansters and dealers that were causing you so much trouble are the very same ones who cry race when they get into trouble. And of course the Revrend Jacksons and such take up the cry and get them off so they can go hurt sombody else.

Now yes the cops there were part of the problem, but it's the ability of a drug dealer, drunk driver, rapist, murder ext. to get off just by crying out "police brutality" "hate crime" ect. that is the real and truely serious problem here.

I would say that the "real and truely serious problem here" is that there is still so much "police brutality" and miss conduct in the U.S. that gives the drug dealer's,robber's rapist's,drunk driver's, murder's and so on the ability to use the claim.Now I'll be the first to admit that not every cop is a problem...but the issue is that the people in charge of asigning officers to their commands have a habit of posting problemed cops with anger issues to commands in bad areas.Before you know it you have a house of cop's all with poor popple skills and anger manegment issues in area's that dont like cop's.And they do this in every city with hi-crime area's.Before you know it you have some street kid mouthing of to a cop and then the cop get's into it with him and he take's him down harder then he had to[take's an extra swing at the kid]...then you have a brutality complaint on the officer.It's a never ending circle.

Well, if the street kid's parents had done a better job raising him/her, then he/she wouldn't be mouthing off. Kid got what was coming to him/her.

Your thinking too small.Forgetting the fact that some of these kids have no parents at all or parents themselves have a criminal history.Just speaking for myself, I have been out on my own since my 13th Bday,and even before that,since my father died when I was 9,I was practically out on my own due to the fact that my mother had a nervous breakdown.You cant blame a kid who hasnt been taught any better.It was take 2 people to have a child,but it takes a village to raise a child, in this case a neighboorhood and the problem is in bad neighboorhoods nobody truly takes respondsibility for these troubled kids.And the few that try dont have the stamina to stay the course.Simply placing the blame on the parents or the child is IGNORANT!!!

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Ironhidensh wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Jar Axel wrote:And yet Sto_vo_kor those very same gansters and dealers that were causing you so much trouble are the very same ones who cry race when they get into trouble. And of course the Revrend Jacksons and such take up the cry and get them off so they can go hurt sombody else.

Now yes the cops there were part of the problem, but it's the ability of a drug dealer, drunk driver, rapist, murder ext. to get off just by crying out "police brutality" "hate crime" ect. that is the real and truely serious problem here.

I would say that the "real and truely serious problem here" is that there is still so much "police brutality" and miss conduct in the U.S. that gives the drug dealer's,robber's rapist's,drunk driver's, murder's and so on the ability to use the claim.Now I'll be the first to admit that not every cop is a problem...but the issue is that the people in charge of asigning officers to their commands have a habit of posting problemed cops with anger issues to commands in bad areas.Before you know it you have a house of cop's all with poor popple skills and anger manegment issues in area's that dont like cop's.And they do this in every city with hi-crime area's.Before you know it you have some street kid mouthing of to a cop and then the cop get's into it with him and he take's him down harder then he had to[take's an extra swing at the kid]...then you have a brutality complaint on the officer.It's a never ending circle.

Well, if the street kid's parents had done a better job raising him/her, then he/she wouldn't be mouthing off. Kid got what was coming to him/her.

Your thinking too small.Forgetting the fact that some of these kids have no parents at all or parents themselves have a criminal history.Just speaking for myself, I have been out on my own since my 13th Bday,and even before that,since my father died when I was 9,I was practically out on my own due to the fact that my mother had a nervous breakdown.You cant blame a kid who hasnt been taught any better.It was take 2 people to have a child,but it takes a village to raise a child, in this case a neighboorhood and the problem is in bad neighboorhoods nobody truly takes respondsibility for these troubled kids.And the few that try dont have the stamina to stay the course.Simply placing the blame on the parents or the child is IGNORANT!!!

And yet that is what must be done for that is where the blame truly lies. Even when the government does step in and take controll of the situation, even when the government has done nothing wrong, people are still able to get off by crying race, brutallity, extra.

Sadly enough race will play a large part in the
eyes of the law, whether you all want to believe it or not.
Why don't you come on down to Milwaukee. About 8 or 9 o'clock we'll head on down to North Ave,intersecting say 5th - 40th St.
I'll drop you off. In the morning you can tell me how safe you felt without a weapon. Those cops aren't gonna help you. And the existing bangers are gonna know you are out of place. The cops stay out of those areas unless they need to go there. And even if they are patrolling, they aren't gonna do a thing unless they see imminent danger in a diverse area.

I've seen my fair share in the two years working in those neighborhoods to realize those people out there know they need to strap. Where I was lucky enough to never get mugged I did almost have an altercation where a man, about 40 years old, an OG, threatened to whistle. I was scared out of my mind and the only thing that made me feel safe was my sledge hammer and other tools.

Sure, they're breaking the law, but several times that's the only way they know how to live after growing up in instability. Of course when they get busted they will throw out that race card at first, it's become second nature for many. I don't know why they seem to stick the white cops in
black hoods. And they sure can't stick the Latino cops in black neighborhoods, there is so much turmoil between those minorities it's astounding. That would give rise to even more race issues. I have met so many Mexicans that seriously hate blacks. Until a couple years ago I never knew that animosity existed.
Lock and load. Protect yours. Cause they ARE out to get you.

You really aren't getting what I'm saying.

No one should be carrying weapons.

The people that your scared of should not be carrying weapons.

Its simple as that.

You shouldn't be in the situation to begin with.

Apollyon wrote:You really aren't getting what I'm saying.

No one should be carrying weapons.

The people that your scared of should not be carrying weapons.

Its simple as that.

You shouldn't be in the situation to begin with.

Not meaning to offend here, but the opinion of yours that no person should own a weapon doesn't mean diddily squat compared to the fact there's a constitutional amendment, and not to mention a massive lobby in this country devoted to the right to bear arms.

Not to say that I disagree with you, but we have to look at things realistically. Even if the world were to be rid of weapons it wouldn't change the intentions which some people use them for. It's just a sad unfortunate fact that guns will never be going anywhere, and are readily available to anyone to purchase (which sadly to say, includes people like the Virginia Tech killer, or anyone unstable enough to commit homicide.)

As for thug life. That's simple. The idolization and glorification of crime is chiefly to blame. Too many people want to emulate Tony Montana.

Flamemaster Galvatron wrote:
Not meaning to offend here, but the opinion of yours that no person should own a weapon doesn't mean diddily squat compared to the fact there's a constitutional amendment, and not to mention a massive lobby in this country devoted to the right to bear arms.

Not to say that I disagree with you, but we have to look at things realistically. Even if the world were to be rid of weapons it wouldn't change the intentions which some people use them for. It's just a sad unfortunate fact that guns will never be going anywhere, and are readily available to anyone to purchase (which sadly to say, includes people like the Virginia Tech killer, or anyone unstable enough to commit homicide.)

As for thug life. That's simple. The idolization and glorification of crime is chiefly to blame. Too many people want to emulate Tony Montana.

I try to stay away from these arguements, but I'm gonna try my hand at this one.
I don't think that there is anything wrong with owning a gun. As dumb and overplayed as the slogan is, guns don't kill people. People use guns to hurt or kill others. I think the problem is that people have guns so much as the WRONG people have guns.
I'm not trying to ruffle any feathers, and I respect the opinions of others even when they may clash with my own, even brazenly so. But I am of the opinion that this entire gangsta/thug life thing is a result of the glorification of violence and crime in the media/culture.
I play violent games and listen to violent music and watch violent movies. People question my morals and ethics because I own Traces of Death and actually enjoy watching surgery and autopsy footage and stuff. Yet I consider myself to be reasonably well adjusted, and in spite of my violent entertainment leanings I abhor violence and am of the understanding that it solves nothing.
I am 28 years old and a teacher. I am the product of a physically stable home enviroment although the mental and emotional elements are rather sketchy. That means little in my own personal experience, but I was always taught that violence was not a good thing but that as an absolute last resort, like if youre being threatened or whatnot, not just as a way to 'solve' a problem.
We experience shifts in what our cultures value. At one time in America we really valued family and hard work in order to be a success. Now it seems we only value negative things, and the heroes of many become Scarface and the like. We in America have always loved the 'outlaw' kind of character, but that character has changed and has become the gangsta, and as we know America can market just about everything to anyone. It makes one wonder how people sleep at night knowing that they make money from selling the moral equivalent of cancer to people who are impressionable. Even when we are little, we know that there is a difference between right and wrong, and while we do need someone to reenforce that notion, we are possessed of the knowledge that separates the two. We don't blame 'environment' for serial killers, but we do blame that many times for criminals.


I doubt that made any sense. Apologies for being so disjointed.

It makes alot of sence as log as your of the mind that: those who intend to kill people will find ways to do so even if weapons are not readily available. My self do I need a gun to kill somone? Of course not. What can be done about that? ban martial arts? Well heres todays history lesson that has ironicaly enough been tried before. What happened? The practitioners whent underground and eventualy struck back against what was a corrupt government. (The Legend of the Iron Monkey is much more than a movie)

Suffice to say corrupt people will use whatever means they can to gain power over others. What can be done about it? Not much untill parents learn to teach their children right from wrong.

Venomous Prime wrote:Lately there have been a lot of news reports about racism and discrimination by cops towards blacks near where I live(bout 45 minutes from Cleveland).

Now, I'm not saying that cops can't be racist, but do these people ever think if they weren't carrying guns, knives, and/or drugs then maybe they wouldn't get treated badly?

I have never understood that.

All these people that are complaining about it seem to forget they are strapped, and minors, which is illegal.

Not to mention the narcotics that have been found on them.

They always seem to blame it on growing up in the ghetto and the like.

I came from the ghetto, and I don't go around carrying guns.

And I don't do drugs.

My point is, why wear your pants around your knees, carrying the gats, and drugs?

Maybe they need to remember they are breaking the law before they throw the race card out there.

/end rant

I also grew up the the "ghetto"...in east St. Louis.

As a white kid. The. Only. White. Kid.

But in their defense, a lot of cops will plant stuff on you. There are good cops, but there are a hell of a lot of pigs.

Like the one that gave me a speeding ticket for doing a speed I was never doing (45 in a 50).

Corruption is everywhere, but I hope this "thug" culture goes off and dies in a gutter somehwere, because it is eroding the few great things that this country has stood for.

Most of these "thugs" have never been in a fight, or went to sleep hungry.

Venomous Prime wrote:You really aren't getting what I'm saying.

No one should be carrying weapons.

The people that your scared of should not be carrying weapons.

Its simple as that.

You shouldn't be in the situation to begin with.

So long as I am NOT a felon, I have the right to bear arms. If I want to go get that 9mm Beretta, or, dare I say...that Walther P-38 as a sidearm...I should have that right.

An armed society is a POLITE society.

Ever wonder why the Muslim fanatics stopped running up to Israelis with automatic guns after the late '70s?

Israel allowed a concealed carry license. Now those cowardly rats use bombs to kill women and children.

Violence is bad, but protection is a MUST in this corrupt world of ours.

Let me just say, if someone is taking me out, I will be DAMNED if I don't take him out with me!