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I remember Gobots from a long time ago. Definitely a lot more kiddie than TF. But still good in its own way.

I'd still love to see actual Gobot 'Classics' and not just the loose homages like Fracture.

Dead Metal wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:Yea but that was created with a completely different mindset and purpose. Go-Bots and transformers where created as a cheap and effective way to advertise children's toys to children. Batman TAS however was created just as a show with the concept of "an adult show that's appropriate for children".
Stating that both shows failed to come close to the greatness of Batman TAS, is like stating that the book "The adventures of Huckleberry Finn" fails because it's not as visually stunning as Watchmen.
Two completely different concepts for two different purposes.

Well, I mean, both GoBots and Transformers were still going about how children's programming was perceived at the time (with TF putting in a little more effort than GoBots). Batman, however, broke that normality and revolutionized how children's programming could be made to be more realistic without completely alienating its younger viewers.

So, Batman TAS wasn't during the same time of Go-Bots and Transformers, those shows where started in 1983/84 while Batman TAS was started in 1992. You know stuff was generally darker, edgier and (apparently) more mature in the 1990s, that's the time Goosebumps was at it's hight, so it's no surprise that Batman TAS was made the way it was. It did revolutionise the whole concept of children's programming, but it didn't do so on it's own, the times and standards changed Batman just proofed cemented it.

Yes, but the whole concept of a "Dark and edgy" Batman originally came about with the 1986 graphic novel "The Dark Knight Returns" by Frank Miller. As well as the 1989 Tim Burton movie. Both came about during the Dark Age of comics, which began in the mid-1980s around the same time as GoBots and TF. There's more I wanna say, but I'm feeling severe fatigue right now (I just got home from work) and can't think clearly. I need to sleep on it and get back to ya when I can.

Sabrblade wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:Yea but that was created with a completely different mindset and purpose. Go-Bots and transformers where created as a cheap and effective way to advertise children's toys to children. Batman TAS however was created just as a show with the concept of "an adult show that's appropriate for children".
Stating that both shows failed to come close to the greatness of Batman TAS, is like stating that the book "The adventures of Huckleberry Finn" fails because it's not as visually stunning as Watchmen.
Two completely different concepts for two different purposes.

Well, I mean, both GoBots and Transformers were still going about how children's programming was perceived at the time (with TF putting in a little more effort than GoBots). Batman, however, broke that normality and revolutionized how children's programming could be made to be more realistic without completely alienating its younger viewers.

So, Batman TAS wasn't during the same time of Go-Bots and Transformers, those shows where started in 1983/84 while Batman TAS was started in 1992. You know stuff was generally darker, edgier and (apparently) more mature in the 1990s, that's the time Goosebumps was at it's hight, so it's no surprise that Batman TAS was made the way it was. It did revolutionise the whole concept of children's programming, but it didn't do so on it's own, the times and standards changed Batman just proofed cemented it.

Yes, but the whole concept of a "Dark and edgy" Batman originally came about with the 1986 graphic novel "The Dark Knight Returns" by Frank Miller. As well as the 1989 Tim Burton movie. Both came about during the Dark Age of comics, which began in the mid-1980s around the same time as GoBots and TF. There's more I wanna say, but I'm feeling severe fatigue right now (I just got home from work) and can't think clearly. I need to sleep on it and get back to ya when I can.

Nope, Dark and edgy was the original concept of Batman, in fact he was so dark and edgy that he had no interest in keeping his enemies alive, even shooting someone in the back. Comic Batman was returning to his dark and edgy roots long before Frank Miller's "The Dark Knight Returns" came out - namely after everybody was sick of the campy Adam West Batman. The Dark Knight Returns just brought this fact to the public attention, just like the band Nine Inch Nails brought the genre of "Industrial" into the mainstream.
And it's still two completely different things, Batman wasn't a children's comic to begin with, sure it had it's stupid times but it wasn't meant for children. Comics where never an entertainment form exclusive to children.

Go-Bots and Transformers where child friendly cartoons because their purpose was to sell toys to children. Batman TAS was only for children because Fox wanted a cartoon based on Batman and since cartoons where at the time still mostly regarded as kids entertainment it had to be child safe.

Both are still two different (albeit similar) things serving two different purposes from two different times with two different mindsets.

Does anybody know if this will be sold in stores??

Pretty sure it's not. You should be able to get it on amazon by now, though.

so...Batman was a GoBot?