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Decepticon Stryker wrote:Dinobot4ever wrote:
The Matrix of Leadersip not residing in Optimus' superstructure - he is not a Prime without it and would, in fact, still be Orion Pax.
Galvatron was created by a Steve Jobs-like character - he was created by Unicron.
The Allspark is a metaphysical, quasi-religous concept ... In Bayverse it is crossed up with an energon cube and given a physical existence.
A red European sportscar alt-mode character is introduced in the Bayverse called "Dino" when it should have obviously been Sideswipe. And to further screw things up, Sideswipe is introduced in the next movie ... as a silver Corvette concept alt-mode?!?
1. Animated proves you don't need a Mcguffin in order to be Prime.
2. Not the first time Galvatron was created by someone other than Unicron: IDW, Robots in Disguise, and the Unicron Trilogy are good examples.
3. ...Yeah I agree with you on this.
4. This sounds very nitpicky, but Sideswipe was introduced into the Bayverse before Dino, and also it's not the first (and I doubt it'll be the last) time Sideswipe wasn't red.
Just because it wasn't like the source material doesnt mean it's stupid. I could see a good story where humans being their typical idiotc selves accidentally upgrading Megatron's corpse into Galvatron. Now don't get me wrong, the Bayverse has hundreds of thousands of flaws; but it's still Transformers. Just a very very flawed version, like if Carnage in C Minor was the best thing to happen to Transformers kind of flawed.
ZeroWolf wrote:Animated used the movieverse version of the All spark. As per Galvaltron, there's actually more instances at this point of Galvaltron not being made by unicron. BWII also has a galvy that isn't made of Unicron and isn't megs upgraded.
As for the matrix, IDW did it differently as well.
Also the 07 movie was never a live action G1, it was ir's own thing, same as rid 2000,the unicron trilogy, animated, Prime, Cyberverse etc
15ngcs1 wrote:I'm not saying they're horrible creations that need to be erased from earth, because there's a movie for everyone. I'm just saying there's little heart and character development in those movies. Bumblebee is supposed to be the most human character with the most heart, just like in the cartoons. That's why many people love and relate to Bumblebee so much. It just wasn't portrayed in the past few movies. The movie Bumblebee is really the first time we get to know Bumblebee as a character.
ZeroWolf wrote:The Dino character came out after Sideswipe.
Also Megatron in armada turned to Galvaltron without unicrons influence (and in Energon)
In animated Prime was a rank like captain or corporal, with Magnus being the ultimate rank (hence Sentinel Magnus at series end.)
The Matrix was seen at the end of Animated. It was a new container that Optimus forged with the Magnus Hammer (albeit, offscreen) to carry the newly reconstituted crystal of the AllSpark. It had nothing to do with leadership. The symbol of leadership in Animated was the Magnus Hammer, wielded by the Supreme Commander who bears the rank of Magnus, with the rank of Prime being a subordinate rank belonging to many, including Optimus, Sentinel, Rodimus, and many more.Dinobot4ever wrote:So the Matrix isn't addresed at all in Animated. Not proof for or against my point. A wash.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
ZeroWolf wrote:Wasn't the Cybertron Origin movie supposed to be in some sort of development? Is it possible that and tf 6 are now the one and same movie?
I still think a 90s buddy cop movie for bee 2 would be awesome, especially if filled with G2 references.
“…the audience had asked us several times, in different ways, ‘I want to get to know a Transformer better.” We did that. In some respects, definitely a tip to what the audience had said to us. The interesting part is when you set out to do something like that, you don’t exactly know the ramifications of it. In this case, the ramification of it was, for the people who didn’t love the movie, was not enough action. Because you’re telling a more intimate story, therefore you can’t. So the criticism we got from some fans was like, “Hey, come on.” It was funny, I was just in Japan…and one of the reporters said to me, ‘I love the movie, I love this, I love this, and I was very tired of Michael Bay.’ I said, ‘Uh huh, I’ve heard this before.” And he goes, ‘But you know, after watching this film, I kind of wish it had a little more Michael Bay.’ It was really funny. I said, ‘Listen, I completely understand. I like what Michael does, too. Two different films, two different attempts.'”
“Several lessons have come out of this. One is that we have the freedom to tell almost any story. The other is that, how strongly the audience identified with the strength of character and emotion. I know the next Transformer, our attempt anyway, is to sort of do a fusion of Bumblebee and the Bay movies…a little more Bayhem. And a little bit more of the character falling in love within the emotional dynamic of the movie. One of the things I want to do—and I hope we pull it off—is, we did it with Bumblebee because he’s so cute and he’s so accessible, but he can’t talk. I think the more human we can make these characters, the more people are going to like them.”
ZeroWolf wrote:So more action and more focus on emotional development? It would depend on director and writing staff if they can pull it off
ScottyP wrote:I don't believe anything they say about these movies ahead of time anymore, especialy when they're in planning stages.
william-james88 wrote:ScottyP wrote:I don't believe anything they say about these movies ahead of time anymore, especialy when they're in planning stages.
Especially after the Last Knight right? Remember all that talk about making this huge writing room and getting Robert Kirkman and others. And what did we get? More of the same (or worse).
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One for each year of the Movieverse's decade strong tenure. Here's to a few more explosive years!
Kyleor wrote:"Afterall, it wasn't necessarily the action element that fans disliked from the Bay films."
But I thought that the (too much) action element is what people disliked from the Bay films...
Bumblebee was an excellent balance of action and actual, cohesive, story.
Oh, there have been some complaints about the action as well. Not that there's too much or whatever, but that it's either been too violent (focusing too much on the graphic killing aspect or the collateral damage rather than the fight choreography) or too incomprehensible (see the first movie's robot fight scenes that had so many blurs, close ups, and awkward angles that made actually seeing what was going on at times an effort of futility).william-james88 wrote:Kyleor wrote:"Afterall, it wasn't necessarily the action element that fans disliked from the Bay films."
But I thought that the (too much) action element is what people disliked from the Bay films...
Bumblebee was an excellent balance of action and actual, cohesive, story.
There is a bit of that but from what I have read and experienced, what people hate most from Bay is the inapropriate humour, the lack of attention to the robots, the lack of a focused story, the over complicated designs of the transformers, and all that sex talk.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
william-james88 wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:So more action and more focus on emotional development? It would depend on director and writing staff if they can pull it off
I read it as same focus on emotional development but more action. It can be pulled off. Infinity War pulled it off.
Jumpstart1083 wrote:“I think the more human we can make these characters the more people will love them” ...
Are you kidding me, dude? I could slap this idiot. First of all, that’s how you write character to begin with. Even if you’re writing a weird alien it’s still going to be a departure from what we consider human, and therefore still TIED to humanity and human feelings in some way that’s interesting to us, IF done well... Transformers has been doing this SINCE IT’S INCEPTION, in EVERY ITERATION. Hence, the fan reactions to the thoughtless carnal **** show movies!?!??
God good.
Secondly, the fans have been whining about that since the first movie. This is not some kind of thought provoking statement, Jesus Christ. It’s them finally listening to our feedback. I don’t know why, but the nonchalance of that statement just hit my nerves.
I don’t want a return to bay styled action, unless it makes sense for the story and is well choreographed and uses its environment thoughtfully, like Bumblebee. Shiny metal pieces of something floating around my screen like a screen saver on crack ain’t for me. **** happening for no reason for 30 minutes at a time is useless to me. And boring as hell. I do agree though, a bit more action could be good BUT ONLY, if they take the lessons they learned from the Bumblebee movie and carry them over, and really honestly incorporate them. If it becomes more thoughtless bullshit and no characterization or story telling just for the sake of a bunch of mindless violence... My head will explode out of the sheer stupidity, like a bay movie. Lol...
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