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Re: Does the entire Transformers franchise owe most of it's thanks, existence to America or Japan?

Postby Editor » Tue Nov 09, 2010 9:07 pm

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Yhea you have the basics the only bit you are missing/ not quite correct with is the pre-80s.

As I touched on before, and as most of us know, GIJoe goes back a long ways. All the way back to 1964 when it started as a 12" line of action figures. This line was additionally licensed out and made available in England as Action Man, and Japan as Combat Joe.

In 1972, Takara spun out a new line based on Combat Joe called Henshin Cyborg, and starting in '74 that line was relaunched in a much smaller scale called..... Microman.

That series of Microman would run until 1984/85, and would be important in North America for A) becoming the Micronauts toys released by Mego, B)a subline called New Microman which developed into Microchange, C) another sub-line called Inch-man which developed into Diaclone.

It is from the Microchange line (toys which are beings from another dimension, the scale of the toys is their actual height) that we got the toys that would become Megatron, Soundwave, Perceptor, Blaster, the cassetticons, and the original 6 (7 if you count Bumper) Autobot minicars.

From Diaclone we received all the piloted transforming mecha, which would become the bulk of the original Autobots, the Dinobots, Insecticons (the aforementioned Waruder units) and Seeker jets. The end of the line as Diaclone would see the creation of the Constructions (Devestator) and Trainbots (Raiden). In '85 the Diaclone line ended and the Microman line was placed on hold while they relaunched the same toys under the Transformer brand name.

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Yes Transformers is quite popular in Japan, in fact for a number of years it was much more popular there than it was in America. Do they see it as their own? Hard to say, that is rather subjective, but there are many aspects of the transformer mythos that Japan is responsible for, and they have published more shows than America has, so they can take credit for many aspects that could be debated, and a few that no one would. (Kissplayers)
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Re: Does the entire Transformers franchise owe most of it's thanks, existence to America or Japan?

Postby giantrobotlover8806 » Thu Nov 11, 2010 12:24 am

Also, there were some transforming/combining robots before Transformers, like Getter Robo and Gold Lightan, I just barely found out about those, anyone familiar with them?
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Re: Does the entire Transformers franchise owe most of it's thanks, existence to America or Japan?

Postby giantrobotlover8806 » Fri Nov 12, 2010 3:46 pm

so anyone familiar with Getter Robo and Gold Lightan?
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Re: Does the entire Transformers franchise owe most of it's thanks, existence to America or Japan?

Postby giantrobotlover8806 » Sun Nov 21, 2010 4:37 am

ALSO, would you say Transformers is to America just as much as it is to Japan?
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Re: Does the entire Transformers franchise owe most of it's thanks, existence to America or Japan?

Postby Jelze Bunnycat » Sun Nov 21, 2010 11:26 am

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giantrobotlover8806 wrote:ALSO, would you say Transformers is to America just as much as it is to Japan?


O hell no. Despite what people may think, Transformers may have had a major impact in Japan, but right now their popularity with the kids is overshadowed by other shows, mostly staple shows like Super Sentai and Kamen Rider. While the US just has Transformers, Japan has a buttload of other iconic robots. Case in point: the Super Robot Wars series of video games. Transformers are nowhere near mentioned, the closest thing it has is GaoGaiGar from the Yuusha/Brave cousin line.
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Re: Does the entire Transformers franchise owe most of it's thanks, existence to America or Japan?

Postby giantrobotlover8806 » Tue Nov 30, 2010 2:46 pm

So Transformers is bigger in the U.S. than it is in Japan? more popular in the Western World?
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Re: Does the entire Transformers franchise owe most of it's thanks, existence to America or Japan?

Postby giantrobotlover8806 » Wed Dec 01, 2010 7:24 am

also, Unicron was an american original character right?
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Re: Does the entire Transformers franchise owe most of it's thanks, existence to America or Japan?

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Dec 01, 2010 7:31 am

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giantrobotlover8806 wrote:also, Unicron was an american original character right?
Yeah. Japan didn't start making their own characters until later.
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Re: Does the entire Transformers franchise owe most of it's thanks, existence to America or Japan?

Postby giantrobotlover8806 » Fri Dec 03, 2010 4:53 am

yeah, eventhough Unicron is American original, and all the Transformers movie characters(animated version) look like they have Japanese style designs, after all, Giant Robots are very popular and iconic in Japan. Just look at Super Sentai/Power Rangers, Gundam
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Re: Does the entire Transformers franchise owe most of it's thanks, existence to America or Japan?

Postby Sabrblade » Fri Dec 03, 2010 10:00 am

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giantrobotlover8806 wrote:yeah, eventhough Unicron is American original, and all the Transformers movie characters(animated version) look like they have Japanese style designs, after all, Giant Robots are very popular and iconic in Japan. Just look at Super Sentai/Power Rangers, Gundam
Toei (a Japanese studio) did the animation for the G1 movie and most of G1 seasons 1 & 2, but the designs for the movie characters were all made by Floro Dery.

Plus, while the G1 movie was re;leased in 1986, it would not see a Japanese release until 1989.
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Re: Does the entire Transformers franchise owe most of it's thanks, existence to America or Japan?

Postby giantrobotlover8806 » Fri Dec 03, 2010 8:06 pm

Floro Dery is hispanic right? but I know that all the pre-movie characters were Japanese designed
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Re: Does the entire Transformers franchise owe most of it's thanks, existence to America or Japan?

Postby giantrobotlover8806 » Fri Dec 03, 2010 8:08 pm

like all the designs of the characters before the movie originated in Japan
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Re: Does the entire Transformers franchise owe most of it's thanks, existence to America or Japan?

Postby Sabrblade » Fri Dec 03, 2010 9:03 pm

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giantrobotlover8806 wrote:Floro Dery is hispanic right? but I know that all the pre-movie characters were Japanese designed
Floro Dery is Filipino. The pre-movie toys were Japanese-made, but the character animation models were designed by Shōhei Kohara and Floro Dery for Marvel and Sunbow, two American companies.
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Re: Does the entire Transformers franchise owe most of it's thanks, existence to America or Japan?

Postby giantrobotlover8806 » Sat Dec 04, 2010 1:58 am

Sabrblade wrote:
giantrobotlover8806 wrote:Floro Dery is hispanic right? but I know that all the pre-movie characters were Japanese designed
Floro Dery is Filipino. The pre-movie toys were Japanese-made, but the character animation models were designed by Shōhei Kohara and Floro Dery for Marvel and Sunbow, two American companies.


but I think Ultra Magnus is the only movie character to have originated in Japan right?
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Re: Does the entire Transformers franchise owe most of it's thanks, existence to America or Japan?

Postby fenrir72 » Sat Dec 04, 2010 4:04 am

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On the only Japanese originated Movie figure,depends on who you believe. Floro Dery takes direct credit for Metroplex/Autobot city but Takara had a Metroplex figure already in the back burner.

Also, the were plans for a robot planet by Takara prior to the Movie, so again depends on who came up with the idea first (Floro Dery's Unicron came with a moon though)

But to give credit where credit is due, both Hasbro and Takara. Hasbro for the name and line and lore while Takara initially the designs and also the lore.
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Re: Does the entire Transformers franchise owe most of it's thanks, existence to America or Japan?

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Dec 04, 2010 9:10 am

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giantrobotlover8806 wrote:Floro Dery is hispanic right? but I know that all the pre-movie characters were Japanese designed
Floro Dery is Filipino. The pre-movie toys were Japanese-made, but the character animation models were designed by Shōhei Kohara and Floro Dery for Marvel and Sunbow, two American companies.


but I think Ultra Magnus is the only movie character to have originated in Japan right?
Ultra Magnus is just a glorified Optimus Prime figure. Dery designed his character model too (the toy was Diaclone figure, but I'm talking about the animation models, not the toy molds).
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Re: Does the entire Transformers franchise owe most of it's thanks, existence to America or Japan?

Postby giantrobotlover8806 » Mon Dec 06, 2010 9:45 pm

well Transformers started off as a toyline first
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Re: Does the entire Transformers franchise owe most of it's thanks, existence to America or Japan?

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Dec 07, 2010 9:57 am

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giantrobotlover8806 wrote:well Transformers started off as a toyline first
Yes, but the characters, bios and tech specs were all conceived by Marvel. otherwise, they were all nameless nobodies at first.
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Re: Does the entire Transformers franchise owe most of it's thanks, existence to America or Japan?

Postby MagnusRex » Tue Dec 07, 2010 3:28 pm

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Well in my opinion, it was a joint effort. It owes it's thanks to everyone. It owes it's thanks to the Japanese for making the original toys. It owes its thanks to the US for bringing those toys over and dubbing them The Transformers. It owes its thanks again to Japan for keeping the series alive after interest died in the US. I can keep going on and on with this with who it owes thanks to.
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Postby Forward 2.0 » Tue Dec 21, 2010 2:50 pm

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MagnusRex wrote:Well in my opinion, it was a joint effort. It owes it's thanks to everyone. It owes it's thanks to the Japanese for making the original toys. It owes its thanks to the US for bringing those toys over and dubbing them The Transformers. It owes its thanks again to Japan for keeping the series alive after interest died in the US. I can keep going on and on with this with who it owes thanks to.


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Re: Does the entire Transformers franchise owe most of it's thanks, existence to America or Japan?

Postby Shadowman » Tue Dec 21, 2010 7:54 pm

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Japan gave us the original toys.

America gave us the characters and stories.

The UK gave us the marvel UK comics and by extension Simon Furman. (They also technically gave us America but that's a story for another day)

And Canada gave us Mainframe Entertainment, which in turn gave us Beast Wars. Not quite as big a contribution as the other countries but still pretty cool.
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Re: Does the entire Transformers franchise owe most of it's thanks, existence to America or Japan?

Postby Rodimus Prime » Wed Dec 22, 2010 1:30 am

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Shadowman wrote:The UK gave us the marvel UK comics and by extension Simon Furman. (They also technically gave us America but that's a story for another day)


Actually, America wasn't given by the Brits, it was taken from them. :twisted:

And Canada gave us Mainframe Entertainment, which in turn gave us Beast Wars. Not quite as big a contribution as the other countries but still pretty cool.


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But I agree, it's definitely a joint effort, with credit shared equally. it's a prime example of how a partnership can benefit to the maximum by playing off of each other's strengths. And the result is millions of happy people. With thinner wallets.
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Re: Does the entire Transformers franchise owe most of it's thanks, existence to America or Japan?

Postby SEXFIGHTER » Wed Dec 22, 2010 8:36 am

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Shadowman wrote:The UK gave us the marvel UK comics and by extension Simon Furman. (They also technically gave us America but that's a story for another day)


Actually, America wasn't given by the Brits, it was taken from them. :twisted:

He means the colonies were British owned, run and set up by the British, hence the use of the English language. At the time the 2 super powers of the world were Britain and France. Britain and France were constanly at war, Britain did not commit its forces fully to the war with the colonies on the eastern coast, as they were stretched fighting the French all over the world. No one foresaw Americas western expansion, creating what it is today. If they HAD foreseen it, all the potential wealth, it would have been a diferent outcome.
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Re: Does the entire Transformers franchise owe most of it's thanks, existence to America or Japan?

Postby Rodimus Prime » Wed Dec 22, 2010 9:23 am

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I know what he meant. :P

America was taken from the Brits by their own detractors, whom the United States considers its Founding Fathers.
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