The Energon Pub

Predaprince wrote:

GremlinGrimlock wrote:Most has been said. There's times where lady warriors are more
vicious than the guys. Seen in real life as in tournaments,and then had to challenge them. When guys have it out,there's a certain limit,it ends or another day.

A mother defending her kid,and dads not around. Recall way back when,comics are fairly new. The cartoon series..,black archania,arcee,could see if they're capabilties were expanded..
multo damage points.Chromia?with that nasty little broad sword,
maybe with some meduim arms..mech carnage. A lot of respect for
the ladies. If I wasn't careful...I'd be on the mat.

Your transmission is breaking up. I got the first paragraph, but then it started to get confusing.

Yeah, whats with the odd writing style?

G1Blaster wrote:You must have missed that episode "Blaster and His Groupies!!!"

lol

I think waht they were saying is that ladies can be more nasty the guys. When a confrontation ends for a guy, it just ends, but with ladies it can drag on for days.

When Dad is not around, and Mom has to defend the kids, she can get really nasty like a she-bear and her cubs.

BlackArachnia and Arcee should have had their characters and capabilities expanded to show what they were really capable as females, and how tough they could be.

Chromia had a broadsword, and with it she could deal a lot of damage, and with medium length arms, could deal a lot more damage.

They are really respectful of what ladies can do, and if they underestimate them in a fight will wind up the loser on the mat.

Why, well it made sense to me that Prime would have a girl pal, I don't know why, it just did. So, I think it just came down to relating, and well, the need to feel loved or cared for? Megatron, sure thought it was a great tool to distract the autobots and I think Starscream was curious... lol! Sometimes I wish for more bad Fembots, besides Thunderblast.

I always thought Sideways was kinda fruity. He should count as a fembot.

Anyway, how did the female Autobots face extinction to begin with?

And what about female Decepticons?

Screambug wrote:Anyway, how did the female Autobots face extinction to begin with?

And what about female Decepticons?

A theory I have.. Maybe the Decepticons got rid of the female Autobots so the Autobots couldn't increase their numbers through reproduction. Not as a species, as Ds and As are the same, but as a faction. This is done sometimes in war. The enemy will do this as a means of demoralization, and also as a way to prevent more of their enemy from ever being born and serving as replacements.

I think with the Decepticons their females may not be serving as much on the front lines because war isn't as interesting to them as the males, or even it could be they are not allowed to fight. A possibility also could be that females do serve in the Decepticon forces, but they are harder to tell apart from the males then would be the case with Autobot females. There are differences, but they are more subtle.

Zombie Starscream wrote:

Screambug wrote:Anyway, how did the female Autobots face extinction to begin with?

And what about female Decepticons?

A theory I have.. Maybe the Decepticons got rid of the female Autobots so the Autobots couldn't increase their numbers through reproduction. Not as a species, as Ds and As are the same, but as a faction. This is done sometimes in war. The enemy will do this as a means of demoralization, and also as a way to prevent more of their enemy from ever being born and serving as replacements.

I think with the Decepticons their females may not be serving as much on the front lines because war isn't as interesting to them as the males, or even it could be they are not allowed to fight. A possibility also could be that females do serve in the Decepticon forces, but they are harder to tell apart from the males then would be the case with Autobot females. There are differences, but they are more subtle.

How exaclty would killing off the female Autobots stop them from creating new transformers? Vector Sigma gives life to TFs in the cartoon they are not born from some mecha-womb in female TFs.

Never in all my days would I have thought that I would eventually read the word 'mecha-womb'.

your not the only 1!

I always assumed TFs had some alternate older form of reproduction. They might have had to develop the asexular form of reproduction as a way to survive after their females were thought to be extint.

Even as a kid it seem to me that the tfs really didnt know much about themselves or their technology. they had to get a quint to repair prime.

even before i knew about sparks they seemed to be more than robots to me, after i knew about sparks i consered them trans-dimentional energy beings that were temporaraly bound to robotic shells.

Also in beast wars when BW Megs took the spark from G1 Megs he used a weird specified spark interaction tenticle thingy, it kinda seemed to me like a tf sexual organ.

I guess you could consider that scene hot megatron on megatron action.

GreenLantern of Cybertron wrote:I always assumed TFs had some alternate older form of reproduction. They might have had to develop the asexular form of reproduction as a way to survive after their females were thought to be extint.

Even as a kid it seem to me that the tfs really didnt know much about themselves or their technology. they had to get a quint to repair prime.

even before i knew about sparks they seemed to be more than robots to me, after i knew about sparks i consered them trans-dimentional energy beings that were temporaraly bound to robotic shells.

Also in beast wars when BW Megs took the spark from G1 Megs he used a weird specified spark interaction tenticle thingy, it kinda seemed to me like a tf sexual organ.

I guess you could consider that scene hot megatron on megatron action.

Your theory sounds extremely plausible and very logical. In fact its one of the best I've heard yet on this subject

I just watched the scene i mentioned again...

BW megs had the creepy tenticle thing but G1 megs had a wide open and tenticle-less spark chamber...

G1 megs is a woman?

Is that why he kept starscream around?




lol, This is defenatly not the case, but its a hilarious thought.

The idea of a mecha-womb, never heard those two words put together before
But it does have a good theory...
Maybe it could be used to build a new body for the developing spark? It would probably be done inside the body of a fembot. She would be able to have that capability of converting the raw materials and energon into a new protoform body that would house the spark of the developing creature. I imagine that the spark would be already intergrated into the developing body, not needing to be dowloaded into it. After the young protoform was removed it would have to be taught stuff by its parents, and not have to be made to learn all its life lessons through trial and error.


Can you imagine the France Starscream (he being a she there) in maternity clothes? (Sorry, I couldn't resist, I just couldn't! )

This topic has gone in an extremely creepy direction.

G1Blaster wrote:This topic has gone in an extremely creepy direction.

no, its gone in the logical direction it should have considerin its origins! plus this is how the last thread of this sort ended up!

I figured the transformers built their shell and gave a small portion of two sparks to it to become a new entity.

G1Blaster wrote:This topic has gone in an extremely creepy direction.

I know. What have I done!

You know Some of my favourite TF characters are the females, yet I would gladly travel back in time and prevent female TFs ever being created if it would end these 'what are they for?' debates. Am I really the only one that sees the impracticality of robots getting preggres?

Uncrazzimatic wrote:

G1Blaster wrote:This topic has gone in an extremely creepy direction.

I know. What have I done!

You know Some of my favourite TF characters are the females, yet I would gladly travel back in time and prevent female TFs ever being created if it would end these 'what are they for?' debates. Am I really the only one that sees the impracticality of robots getting preggres?

yes you are!

There was a thread I saw in another Tf forum that dealt with this subject of Female Tfs. The guy who started it posted some very good arguements for female Tfs, and that if Tfs are soposed to be considered 'alive', they had to be able to fit 7 scientific criteria to qualify as life-forms. I think some of them were to be able to respire, consume needed food materials, true reproduction (it doesn't count if its cloning, building a new body, even spark melding) and some other that I forget.

What he did was count the simularities in the continuities to come to some of his conclusions. He used a lot of circumstantial(sp) evidence, and he came to the conclusion that there were female Tfs. He said that genders only exist for reproduction, nothing else. And that it wouldn't make sense for a sexless race to have them if that was not what they were for. He said that there was no sense in them using a gender identity if they were genderless. He also said that there was even some sexual dimorphism(sp) like the females having less broad shoulders, higher voices, whatever.
What he also said too surprised me. He says that spark-melding didn't qualify as true reproduction. He said that it was a partial reproduction at best, and that in order to qualify as alive, the whole organism had to be reproduced, not just a single part. He stated how this could be done, through specialized nanites that would combine their half of "genetic" programing to the 'male' or "female" half to create a new organism. This would reside in the female who would consume the raw materials for it to grow and build itself. He said that what a lot of people tended to do was never get past the 'mechanical' part in their asessement, and tended to judge them as simular to the crude robots that we have on Earth instead of the alien creatures that they were.

I know I probably conveyed some of his statements imperfectly, and might have made him sound slightly pompus(sp) but he made some extremely good arguements. I was impressed.

Yes, it seems that reproduction in Transformers is a very complex idea. From evidence we've seen, it only makes sense that there are at least three forms of reproduction or "birthing" available in the G1 universe, but only two produce a viable creation:

First, Vector Sigma can grant a spark to a machine and make it live. The spark seems to convey a unique and mature adult personality, and it is generated from a collective source (the matrix?)

Second, Transformers can/could reproduce sexually (in a way). Perhaps the Quintesson's modeled the early Transformers on humanoid biological standards, thus giving us "male" and "female" Transformers (although this supposes that there is an essentially 'male' and 'female' type throughout the universe, which I don't agree with, but we'll let that stand for now). Perhaps, these different types of Transformers were different enough that they could join a (sexual) union in which their sparks could exchange energy and produce a new spark that was made up of parts from both sparks. This would be analogous to human reproduction using a sperm and an egg in which the resulting fertilized egg has half the chromosomes from one parent and half from the other. The resulting spark would be transferred into a robot body where it could grow and mature. I do not know if we ever saw any child-Transformers, but I would imagine that this spark would be put in a smaller robot body to allow the spark to grow, learn, and mature into adulthood. The body would be modified and updated every year, to mark the signs of physical development. This idea would help account for why some Autobots are described as brothers (the names escape me) and why female autobots were driven to extinction. This form of reproduction would build familial connections and a sense of history and development among Autobots. It would be in the Decipticons best interest to destroy these bonds, so maybe they tried to wipe out the female autobots for this reason.

Third, Transformers can create robots with intelligence, but perhaps without a Spark, or at least a Spark that is unstable in terms of the mind and personality it creates. Most other attempts at creating life without using Vector Sigma have resulted in dumb, unstable creatures of low intelligence like the Dinobots or Autobot X. Or, they produce mindless drones and sentinels. Furthermore, beings like Deceptitran, who was created and programmed by the Decepticons to harvest energon on a distant planet, seems to have a personality, emotions, and a mind, but no spark or soul.

Whee, females are just good for sex and making babies.

Screambug wrote:Whee, females are just good for sex and making babies.

Absolutely not, but that's the reason for having a dilenation of sexes. It's also the only thing men are good for in that sense.

And in that vein, did you know Japan made a robot baby? It moves around just like a real toddler! My mom told me about it, and so I typed up "Japanese Robot Baby" in the search engine. I saw the video, and though everybody is speaking in Japanese, you can clearly see whats going on. Its very neat.

Love em. They add variety to the tf characters.Something,don't
know....this is from the motivational poster threat. Where ever
the portait of black arachnia was found. That's an awesome
"catch" of her personality.

Sex isn't always for reproduction.