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Zombie Starscream wrote:The idea of a mecha-womb, never heard those two words put together before
But it does have a good theory...
Maybe it could be used to build a new body for the developing spark? It would probably be done inside the body of a fembot. She would be able to have that capability of converting the raw materials and energon into a new protoform body that would house the spark of the developing creature. I imagine that the spark would be already intergrated into the developing body, not needing to be dowloaded into it. After the young protoform was removed it would have to be taught stuff by its parents, and not have to be made to learn all its life lessons through trial and error.

kind of similar to my idea, only i had the spark developing in the fembot from bits of both parents sparks, and later downloaded to vector sigma for incubation and eventual downloading into an assembeled body.

Predaprince wrote:

Ramrider wrote:

Predaprince wrote:No, that was a circular device underneath his frame that allowed him to hover.

Are you sure, or are you just making that up? I'm pretty sure it was a wheel, and it would explain the whole 'axle-breaking' line.

They were hovercars.

it was a wheel, cause you also get to see and unserside shot(very briefly) and you can see more 'WHEELS'

ThunderThruster wrote:

Predaprince wrote:

Ramrider wrote:

Predaprince wrote:No, that was a circular device underneath his frame that allowed him to hover.

Are you sure, or are you just making that up? I'm pretty sure it was a wheel, and it would explain the whole 'axle-breaking' line.

They were hovercars.

it was a wheel, cause you also get to see and unserside shot(very briefly) and you can see more 'WHEELS'

The hover device was circular and, hence, I can understand how you think it was a wheel but it wasn't.

They were hovercars.

Grendel wrote:

Zombie Starscream wrote:The idea of a mecha-womb, never heard those two words put together before
But it does have a good theory...
Maybe it could be used to build a new body for the developing spark? It would probably be done inside the body of a fembot. She would be able to have that capability of converting the raw materials and energon into a new protoform body that would house the spark of the developing creature. I imagine that the spark would be already intergrated into the developing body, not needing to be dowloaded into it. After the young protoform was removed it would have to be taught stuff by its parents, and not have to be made to learn all its life lessons through trial and error.

kind of similar to my idea, only i had the spark developing in the fembot from bits of both parents sparks, and later downloaded to vector sigma for incubation and eventual downloading into an assembeled body.

Yeah, I have read a simular idea to yours done in a fanfic before, in fact your idea is one of the more common ones, I think.

I think personally its O.K to have different ideas of how Tfs reproduce and whether or not there are Tf females. It starts to gets dumb when people try to force their own opinions down other peoples' throats, and get mad when other peoples ideas don't match their own. They are like "But this isn't canon!" Even though its been stated they have other ways of reproducing besides Vector Sigma. I've seen flamewars over this kind of stuff. Some people imagine Tfs as almost totally robots, and they get manufactured(sp) and have no genders whatsoever. Some people imagine them as almost organic. I like to think of them as technoorganic, and either built or grown.

yeah, i think in the gen 2 comics, they could reproduce through something like osmosis way back when, but then forgot all about it

I don't see why some people get all bent outta shape about the existence of female TF's

I mean to those who say they are genderless.....look At Optimus, Megatron, Brawn, Cyclonus, Scourge.....they are deffinately MALE.....they look like makes ( wide shoulders, big, thick arms & legs, manly voices, etc. ) and act like em, especially Brawn.

As I said before those who often are against female TF's are the fellows, who in the 1980's, were pissed to see the 'evil' girls appear in their sacred territory. They have the thinking of, "Girls?! EWWWWW, COOTIES!!!!!"

And gender is not really narrowed to reproduction....it is more of a mental item, rather than psyical. There are people born one a certain sex, but feel they are of the other. If you dispute that, I can introduce you to several transgendered/transexual friends ( both male to female and female to male ) who can tell you otherwise.

And to Screambug, nice to see someone who remembers Orbots. The 2 girl bots in that show were deffinately female.

Emperor Primacron the 1st wrote:I don't see why some people get all bent outta shape about the existence of female TF's

I mean to those who say they are genderless.....look At Optimus, Megatron, Brawn, Cyclonus, Scourge.....they are deffinately MALE.....they look like makes ( wide shoulders, big, thick arms & legs, manly voices, etc. ) and act like em, especially Brawn.

As I said before those who often are against female TF's are the fellows, who in the 1980's, were pissed to see the 'evil' girls appear in their sacred territory. They have the thinking of, "Girls?! EWWWWW, COOTIES!!!!!"

And gender is not really narrowed to reproduction....it is more of a mental item, rather than psyical. There are people born one a certain sex, but feel they are of the other. If you dispute that, I can introduce you to several transgendered/transexual friends ( both male to female and female to male ) who can tell you otherwise.

And to Screambug, nice to see someone who remembers Orbots. The 2 girl bots in that show were deffinately female.

I noticed also that quite a few of the Tfs practically ooze masculinity. They even have codpieces for heavens sake! How can you not get any more male then that

Emperor Primacron the 1st wrote:I don't see why some people get all bent outta shape about the existence of female TF's

I mean to those who say they are genderless.....look At Optimus, Megatron, Brawn, Cyclonus, Scourge.....they are deffinately MALE.....they look like makes ( wide shoulders, big, thick arms & legs, manly voices, etc. ) and act like em, especially Brawn.

As I said before those who often are against female TF's are the fellows, who in the 1980's, were pissed to see the 'evil' girls appear in their sacred territory. They have the thinking of, "Girls?! EWWWWW, COOTIES!!!!!"

And gender is not really narrowed to reproduction....it is more of a mental item, rather than psyical. There are people born one a certain sex, but feel they are of the other. If you dispute that, I can introduce you to several transgendered/transexual friends ( both male to female and female to male ) who can tell you otherwise.

And to Screambug, nice to see someone who remembers Orbots. The 2 girl bots in that show were deffinately female.

1) Yes they resemble human males. But they're alien robots, why would the males of an alien species look like the males of humans?

2) Female TFs don't bother me, what bothers me is that some people hold to a theory of them producing babies/housing sparks despite the fact that there is no cannon to back it up but there is cannon to show that other pieces of TF tech (such as protoform pods) can do those roles.

3) I'm not disputing that TFs can have personalities that are similar to human genders, just that they reproduce sexually.

You're asking the wrong person, ask the creators of the femmes..?

(I think female autobots shouldn't be this useless.. some of them could've been at least a little more agressive..)

Maybe it would be better if they COULD reproduce.. wouldn't that also be much more fun? For them as for us xD
(just kidding, kidding!)

1) Yes they resemble human males. But they're alien robots, why would the males of an alien species look like the males of humans?

2) Female TFs don't bother me, what bothers me is that some people hold to a theory of them producing babies/housing sparks despite the fact that there is no cannon to back it up but there is cannon to show that other pieces of TF tech (such as protoform pods) can do those roles.

3) I'm not disputing that TFs can have personalities that are similar to human genders, just that they reproduce sexually.

1: Who said humanoid shape and form is limited to us on Earth. I mean 2 hands, 2 legs, 2 eyes, etc seem to work pretty good at adaptation. As for males, going for tech specs, with the exception of Strika, who is the girl TF equivilent of Nicole Bass, are stronger ( physically ) than the females, I suspect the wider shoulders, broad chest and thicker extremities house either larger servos & mechanisms, or more of them. And if you still want more about humanoid aliens, being of either fleash or metal, look at Star Wars, Star Trek, etc.....lots of humanoid aliens there, some of them resembling us. Even witnesses to some UFO sightings and those who actually encounter aliens via landings or abductions, said that some of these creatures looked human-like.

2: I myself never said they do reproduce like us. We never seen, with exception to Wheeljack & Ratchet making the Dinobots, Vector Sigma, & the Generation 2 comic, how they reproduce themselves.

3: Until we get a clear cut answer, like how Klingons in Johnathan Archer's time had ridged, bumpy craniums; while James Kirk's time had smooth-headed, almost human looking Klingons; and then Picard's time having the bumpy heads again, we will never know, and keep having threads like this.

Yeah I don't believe in them reproducing either. But they can love. They're very much like us. What's to stop them from finding a mate? Nothing.

And you know damn well with all the alien technology they have, they can in in some way and in some fashion experience physical pleasure with one another. It may not be what we know but you know that can.

Emperor Primacron the 1st wrote:

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3: Until we get a clear cut answer, like how Klingons in Johnathan Archer's time had ridged, bumpy craniums; while James Kirk's time had smooth-headed, almost human looking Klingons; and then Picard's time having the bumpy heads again, we will never know, and keep having threads like this.

Actually on Deep Space Nine and Star Trek Next Generation they explained the difference between smooth and ridged forehead Klingons. Ridged Klingons like Worf were supposed to be the majority of the Klingon race, while the smooth-headed "race" were actually considered the more aggressive, less honorable minority. They treated them kinda like illegal immigrants, except the Klingons deserved it.

Warthog wrote:

Emperor Primacron the 1st wrote:

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3: Until we get a clear cut answer, like how Klingons in Johnathan Archer's time had ridged, bumpy craniums; while James Kirk's time had smooth-headed, almost human looking Klingons; and then Picard's time having the bumpy heads again, we will never know, and keep having threads like this.

Actually on Deep Space Nine and Star Trek Next Generation they explained the difference between smooth and ridged forehead Klingons. Ridged Klingons like Worf were supposed to be the majority of the Klingon race, while the smooth-headed "race" were actually considered the more aggressive, less honorable minority. They treated them kinda like illegal immigrants, except the Klingons deserved it.

Watch the 4th season of Enterprise, there's a 2 parter that describes the Klingons' cosmetic changes. They pretty much acted the same as their bumpy breathern. It was only when TNG came out did the Klingons replace the Romulans as the obsessed honor whores.

Emperor Primacron the 1st wrote:

2: I myself never said they do reproduce like us. We never seen, with exception to Wheeljack & Ratchet making the Dinobots, Vector Sigma, & the Generation 2 comic, how they reproduce themselves.

... But you just sited 3 examples of how they reproduce themselves, creating primitive ones from scratch, like the Dinobots, receiving a spark from Vector Sigma (or the matix in the marvel comics) or through Miosis in G2. So we DO know how they reproduce themselves. That's what I don't understand about this whole debate, we already know how new TFs are created, so why do people ignore the evidence and hold to a theroy that has no supporting evidence? If you just believe what you want regardless of proof you may as well join http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum//

As for the humanoids in star wars and star trek, i think that its because of:
1) It's just easier to make human shaped costumes for human actors.
2) It shows a lack of imagination.
3) The creators have the arogance to believe that an inteligent human shaped alien would dominate most other worlds.
4) All of the above.

Uncrazzimatic wrote:3) The creators have the arogance to believe that an inteligent human shaped alien would dominate most other worlds.

thats the entire piont i think! human arragance. we have no idea what effects a species evolution to be bipedal, quadrepidal and so forth. the conditions on earth maybe the only place in th galaxy/universe where a species is capable of developing an upright posture and walking on our hind limbs!

Uncrazzimatic wrote:3) The creators have the arogance to believe that an inteligent human shaped alien would dominate most other worlds.

I don't know about Star Wars, but Star Trek: TNG had an episode called "The Chase" where the Enterprise, Klingons, Cardassians, and Romulans discover clues within their own respective DNA that, when brought together, lead them to a planet where a hologram program displays a being from an extinct race that cultivated their and many other worlds, hence, why they are all humanoid.

which is fine for star trek, but when you look at reality you cant just come up with storyline to explain it, or expect that it holds up in reality!

Predaprince wrote:

ThunderThruster wrote:

Predaprince wrote:

Ramrider wrote:

Predaprince wrote:No, that was a circular device underneath his frame that allowed him to hover.

Are you sure, or are you just making that up? I'm pretty sure it was a wheel, and it would explain the whole 'axle-breaking' line.

They were hovercars.

it was a wheel, cause you also get to see and unserside shot(very briefly) and you can see more 'WHEELS'

The hover device was circular and, hence, I can understand how you think it was a wheel but it wasn't.

They were hovercars.

i call that a wheel!

ThunderThruster wrote:

Predaprince wrote:

ThunderThruster wrote:

Predaprince wrote:

Ramrider wrote:

Predaprince wrote:No, that was a circular device underneath his frame that allowed him to hover.

Are you sure, or are you just making that up? I'm pretty sure it was a wheel, and it would explain the whole 'axle-breaking' line.

They were hovercars.

it was a wheel, cause you also get to see and unserside shot(very briefly) and you can see more 'WHEELS'

The hover device was circular and, hence, I can understand how you think it was a wheel but it wasn't.

They were hovercars.

i call that a wheel!

At that strange angle, it looks kind of like a face.

babylon queen wrote:What purpose do female autobots serve beside looking good and sexy and stupid or for the boy autobots' pleasure? They are robots so they can't reproduce and they can't really fight not like the girl decepticons who can deceive their enemies instead of being mindless toys?

Maybe it's because there are females who watch it and might want to like a female character.

If we really want to get nitpicky about robot appearance, why the hell do so many TFs have human-like faces, only two sets of eyes in their robot modes, only two sets of arms, two sets of legs, why do some look as if they are mimicking earth creatures when they were always on Cybertron, etc., etc.

Now I really don't want to read through this whole thing and maybe someone mentioned something like this already, but in regards to the topic and as far as the G1 continuity is concerned, perhaps the Quints made fem-bots for specific clientel (humanoid,) and in the aftermath of their retreat from Cybertron, the protocol to create x-amount of fem-bots remained.

I've said it before and I'll say it again:

Female-type autobot designs do have their uses.

1) A human female's legs are farther apart than a human male's, a robot based on a female might have good stability. Heck, the Energon Arcee has probably the smallest foot-surface area of any transformer I've seen relative to body size and I can get her into some really crazy poses and have her stand on her own.

2) "Machine-Gun Jubblies", anyone?

Also, my own theory as to how Transformers reproduce: In supporting the "Transformers are genderless" idea, I think that the mental male and female states of a transformer is just programming and the two are designed to be attracted to the other. When they hook up, the two of them together generate the beginnings of a spark, which is immediately sent to Primus which then develops it into a proper spark.

Ta-dah.

I cant understand why some people are so sexist. Male or Female, TF are cool. Women like TF as well and a lot of them like Arcee or anyone else. Its just like humans. There are male and female. Same as in the TF universe.

When I look the TF's I don't see a male or a female, I see a robot..., no gender..., my car isn't a male or a female..., is just a machine...

the technorganic tfs possibly could have a use for having males and females