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UNSC Marine wrote:The UNSC and Covenant aren't stupid. Also if nothing can hurt a nobody how can it hurt anyone. Since the "Halo-ites" can't conceive the Nobodies are real to shoot them, they would not be injured when the Nobodies attack.(And I belive that is a check, Halo soldiers tie against Nobodies, since they can't wrap their minds around their presence and non-existance)

its kinda like fighting a ghost. it can effect other things but most things cant effect it.

but since hercules is in the mix via disney, i cant see any side taking out the whole greek pantheon of gods. Zeus, athena, hades, will all just dominate anything that is thrown at them. they are GODS and can alter reality on a whim

but i'm getting the feeling you won't accept the fact the Halo can be beaten by anything ever, not even by gods who can blink your ancestors out of existance before you were born or have the ability to destroy your planet before your tech existed

Name_Violation wrote:

UNSC Marine wrote:The UNSC and Covenant aren't stupid. Also if nothing can hurt a nobody how can it hurt anyone. Since the "Halo-ites" can't conceive the Nobodies are real to shoot them, they would not be injured when the Nobodies attack.(And I belive that is a check, Halo soldiers tie against Nobodies, since they can't wrap their minds around their presence and non-existance)

its kinda like fighting a ghost. it can effect other things but most things cant effect it.

but since hercules is in the mix via disney, i cant see any side taking out the whole greek pantheon of gods. Zeus, athena, hades, will all just dominate anything that is thrown at them. they are GODS and can alter reality on a whim

but i'm getting the feeling you won't accept the fact the Halo can be beaten by anything ever, not even by gods who can blink your ancestors out of existance before you were born or have the ability to destroy your planet before your tech existed

I have 4 points that nulify your statements concerning the gods:

1. They are the gods of their realm, they have no effect on the others before or after a merge situation, only during.

2. Their powers are not reality altering, they more or less filled a mythical position and had powers concerining to such (ex. Zeus had lightning and transformation, Hades controlled the realm of the dead and had fitting powers of fire, Neptune had control water)

3. How do you plan to get these gods to fight with KH, yes they would support a lot but its going to take a lot to convince zeus to get out on the battlefield.

and 4. Lets see the gods take on Morgoth (the most powerful evil force) and Eru(the being that created the LotR universe) they are as strong as the gods together, if not more.

Thebirdman wrote:3. How do you plan to get these gods to fight with KH, yes they would support a lot but its going to take a lot to convince zeus to get out on the battlefield.

"hey zues, you know how you li9ke to f*ck everything on the planet? well those guys wanna turn everything you rule and love to bone to glass" may motivate him a wee bit

and why are the gods losing their powers? they exist, so does their powers. there is no mystical off switch of the gods

I never said they were losing their powers, where did that come from? I only stated that they cannot destroy their ancestors as you said "not even by gods who can blink your ancestors out of existance before you were born or have the ability to destroy your planet before your tech existed". I also only said that each god has its powers and special abillities. If they didn't then there would only be one, thus not multiple that are diffrent. These gods all need another to support them for their shortcomings.

ah, my bad, i misinterpreted point 1 you made

Shadowman wrote:

tobiax wrote:Yes, but they wouldn't learn it quickly enough

They'd have gathered intelligence before the battle even started. This is the military. They like to know what they're supposed to kill before they kill it.

Ha, military inteligance is an oxymoron,

tobiax wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

tobiax wrote:Yes, but they wouldn't learn it quickly enough

They'd have gathered intelligence before the battle even started. This is the military. They like to know what they're supposed to kill before they kill it.

Ha, military inteligance is an oxymoron,

Except it isn't. That's a joke people make about the military, it's not actually true. Before the battle is fought, they gather intelligence (That is, information) on the enemy.

"So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss."
-Sun Tzu

Let's look at pre- battle standings. The UNSC know you're coming for a couple of miles so they have time to prepare, and study unknown enemies. The Covenant have better tech. LOTR have the Planitir and the eye of Sauron, not quite as effective. KH has, ummmm, the reliability of an old dude who I believe is not completely sane. After one or two meetings with the nobodies there would be enough data for the "Halo-ites" to prepare themselves for future battles.

If they were really Inteligent, they wouldn't need to fight, and I shall now inform you that this is an eight (if not nine) sided war,

UNSC Marine wrote:Let's look at pre- battle standings. The UNSC know you're coming for a couple of miles so they have time to prepare, and study unknown enemies. The Covenant have better tech. LOTR have the Planitir and the eye of Sauron, not quite as effective. KH has, ummmm, the reliability of an old dude who I believe is not completely sane. After one or two meetings with the nobodies there would be enough data for the "Halo-ites" to prepare themselves for future battles.

KH has space ships and planetary travel, they could see the UNSC comin too.

tobiax wrote:If they were really Inteligent, they wouldn't need to fight, and I shall now inform you that this is an eight (if not nine) sided war,

Where did you learn to count?

Name_Violation wrote:KH has space ships and planetary travel, they could see the UNSC comin too.

No, I meant radar so they can see without being seen, or risking troops for the battle. Yes, gummi ships do work, but if a group of LOTR elves are going through a dense forest, motion trackers are more useful. Plus radar can't be shot down by AA guns.

tobiax wrote:If they were really Inteligent, they wouldn't need to fight, and I shall now inform you that this is an eight (if not nine) sided war,

I want you to know, none of this quote made any sense.

You apparently missed it, but I mentioned in my last post, in terms of warfare, Intelligence = information. Gathering intelligence means gathering information on the enemy. It doesn't mean "smarter" "genius-level intellect" or anything related to the literal definition of intelligence.

Second, where exactly are the other five (of not six) sides to this? This is Halo vs. Kingdom Hearts vs. Lord of the Rings. It's each universe battling each other, not each faction. Covenant teams up with UNSC, Heartless team up with non-Heartless, Mordor teams up with Gondor, etc.

Overall we have:

1.UNSC
2.Covenant
3.Gondor
4.Mordor
5.Isengard
6.Rohan
7.Organization XIII
8.Heartless
9.KH good peoples(no that's not the technical term)

so technicaly it is 9...wow...would Araeda count?

*10.Gravemind(almost forgot!)

so its not 9 its 10, you were still wrong...

UNSC Marine wrote:Overall we have:

1.UNSC
2.Covenant
3.Gondor
4.Mordor
5.Isengard
6.Rohan
7.Organization XIII
8.Heartless
9.KH good peoples(no that's not the technical term)

so technicaly it is 9...wow...would Araeda count?

*10.Gravemind(almost forgot!)

so its not 9 its 10, you were still wrong...

Close. Gondor and Rohan are on the same side, and Isengard is technically under Sauron's rule, so isengard and Rohan don't count as separate factions. The Elites left the Covenant in Halo 2. So, 10 - 2 + 1 = 9.

Doesn't mean it's right, though.

Near the end of Halo 3 Elites joined UNSC
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1.UNSC/Elites
2.Covenant
3.Gravemind
4.Mordor/Isengard
5.Men of the West
6.Organization XIII
7.Heartless
8.KH good peoples

Ok, Two good and bad from Lord of the Ring,
Gondor, and Mordor
Three, good, bad, and worse, from Halo
U.N.S.C., Covenant, Flood
Three, good, bad, and just as bad, from Kingdom Hearts
Disney Castle Army/H.B.R.S./Allies, Heartless, and Nobodies
the possible other was Araeda's army (of if Sauramon counted as another evil for Lord of the Ring, I can't remember which)

Shadowman wrote:

UNSC Marine wrote:Overall we have:

1.UNSC
2.Covenant
3.Gondor
4.Mordor
5.Isengard
6.Rohan
7.Organization XIII
8.Heartless
9.KH good peoples(no that's not the technical term)

so technicaly it is 9...wow...would Araeda count?

*10.Gravemind(almost forgot!)

so its not 9 its 10, you were still wrong...

Close. Gondor and Rohan are on the same side, and Isengard is technically under Sauron's rule, so isengard and Rohan don't count as separate factions. The Elites left the Covenant in Halo 2. So, 10 - 2 + 1 = 9.

Doesn't mean it's right, though.

Ok, look at is this way;

Sauron wouldn't stop wanting the Ring, Gondor wouldn't stop being threatened if he got the Ring

Earth would still be in possible danger with the flood and Covanant

Flood would still have their instinctive function

Same with Heartless

Nobodies would still by trying to get Hearts

Any peice of Xehanort would be messing around with hearts

Covenant would still be lead the same way and not want to give up on whatever-it-is-they-want

Mickey Mouse would still be concerened with what's goind on

Sora/Keyblade would still have to find the light and defeat the Heartless

(Araeda uses such mass conflicts to see which functions are superior, to coppy them and distort/improve upon them to conqure all realities, or collapse all others untill he lives in the "best" one)

Man, you have got a lot to learn about Fantasy Battles. Any details about the battle (Location, participants, etc.) is false unless the person who started it says otherwise. He never said that the three factions would be in-fighting, thus there is no in-fighting.

Um, you know that friend he mentioned who he started it with? That's ME.

tobiax wrote:Um, you know that friend he mentioned who he started it with? That's ME.

Well then if you wanted to change the conditions of the fight you should have started the thread. And anyway, it wasn't a nine-way fight to begin with, why do you want to change it now?

I'm not changing anything, that's how it always was...

tobiax wrote:I'm not changing anything, that's how it always was...

IF its not stated in the original post, it's not a condition. Thems the "gentlemen's rules" of the forum. What ever is stated on the original post is the only conditions allowed. If the OP had said they were in-fighting our arguments would be alot differant, and you could theoretically start having good-guy vs bad-guy team ups. Thats not how this works.

for example If we say "han solo vs lex luthor in a jungle" there is no small village involved unless it was said in the original post there would be a village.

the fight here is presented as Halo vs kingdom hearts vs Lord of the Rings, each fighting for supremacy (i always think of it as them fighting for the survival of their universe, but that has never been an official condition). Each of those groups has several factions and it is assumed the set all differences aside and work together. Them's the rule we all play by.

and incase you're thinking of it, having someone go back and change the conditions of the fight after its already been going on for 3 pages is really bad form.

Yes, but since the this topic is thebirdman's first post he did not know about the "gentlemen's rules" in the forums. And because a technical co-creator of said topic is revising the very vague rules it should actually work. Thebirdman never said in-fights were allowed but they were never disallowed either.

Sorry, I should have known better.

It's a'ight man, so, what's the official call?