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tequila stu wrote:whoever wins this, becomes suicidal due to the ranting of fanboys.

seriously, I mean why couldn't this thread have an option on hte poll for "They can both suck weinies in hell for all I care."

Sun Runner wrote:Spirit bomb wont work on Superman, he isnt evil just a dick.
also like i said before only magic spells work on superman, Bludgening magic items dont work on Superman, He stopped Thor's hammer with his hand for crying out loud. only cutting or piercing magically enhanced weapons work on him

The point is that at a Super Saiyan level he can basically use the power of all life in the universe (after experiencing knowledge of the whole universe with the Emperor Kai) to power a battle against Superman. I think that at least gives him a shot-- I mean, the universe is pretty big.

The Avatar of Man wrote:

Sun Runner wrote:Spirit bomb wont work on Superman, he isnt evil just a dick.
also like i said before only magic spells work on superman, Bludgening magic items dont work on Superman, He stopped Thor's hammer with his hand for crying out loud. only cutting or piercing magically enhanced weapons work on him

The point is that at a Super Saiyan level he can basically use the power of all life in the universe (after experiencing knowledge of the whole universe with the Emperor Kai) to power a battle against Superman. I think that at least gives him a shot-- I mean, the universe is pretty big.

But he never really gathered that much in the series and it was for use in the spirit bomb he never absorbed it and it's only to a limited place, the most he ever gathered was from several planets near namek, and it also takes him an incredibly long time to gather it, someone usually has to run distraction while he gathers the energy.

Sun Runner wrote:

The Avatar of Man wrote:

Sun Runner wrote:Spirit bomb wont work on Superman, he isnt evil just a dick.
also like i said before only magic spells work on superman, Bludgening magic items dont work on Superman, He stopped Thor's hammer with his hand for crying out loud. only cutting or piercing magically enhanced weapons work on him

The point is that at a Super Saiyan level he can basically use the power of all life in the universe (after experiencing knowledge of the whole universe with the Emperor Kai) to power a battle against Superman. I think that at least gives him a shot-- I mean, the universe is pretty big.

But he never really gathered that much in the series and it was for use in the spirit bomb he never absorbed it and it's only to a limited place, the most he ever gathered was from several planets near namek, and it also takes him an incredibly long time to gather it, someone usually has to run distraction while he gathers the energy.

Actually, at the end of DBZ, he used a Spirit Bomb powered by everyone on Earth to kill Kid Buu.

In DBGT, he used a Spirit Bomb powered by (If I remember right) everyone in the galaxy, and when he was making it, he was impervious to attacks. (Omega Shenron kept chucking energy balls at him, but it didn't do anything)

Although I think he had to have Vegeta or someone stall Omega Shenron for a moment.

Shadowman wrote:

Sun Runner wrote:

The Avatar of Man wrote:

Sun Runner wrote:Spirit bomb wont work on Superman, he isnt evil just a dick.
also like i said before only magic spells work on superman, Bludgening magic items dont work on Superman, He stopped Thor's hammer with his hand for crying out loud. only cutting or piercing magically enhanced weapons work on him

The point is that at a Super Saiyan level he can basically use the power of all life in the universe (after experiencing knowledge of the whole universe with the Emperor Kai) to power a battle against Superman. I think that at least gives him a shot-- I mean, the universe is pretty big.

But he never really gathered that much in the series and it was for use in the spirit bomb he never absorbed it and it's only to a limited place, the most he ever gathered was from several planets near namek, and it also takes him an incredibly long time to gather it, someone usually has to run distraction while he gathers the energy.

Actually, at the end of DBZ, he used a Spirit Bomb powered by everyone on Earth to kill Kid Buu.

In DBGT, he used a Spirit Bomb powered by (If I remember right) everyone in the galaxy, and when he was making it, he was impervious to attacks. (Omega Shenron kept chucking energy balls at him, but it didn't do anything)

Although I think he had to have Vegeta or someone stall Omega Shenron for a moment.

As well, as stated in the wikipedia article, he can absorb the energy if he wants, and has gotten progressively faster at it throughout the series.

As well, I cite the Law of Anime #69...

The Law of Magnification of Energy

Martial arts characters controlling ki energy can spend up to a whole thirty minutes, or an "episode," charging up, and during such time the other combatant will just stand there and watch without doing anything to stop him. Up to 20 successive "episodes" can go on in this manner, the total amount indirectly proportional to the magnitude of ideas being turned out by the show's writers at the given time.

EDIT: One thing I hadn't thought of-- if he wants, he can simply teleport to another area light-years away, like he's done in the past, and use the time Superman takes to get there to charge.

The Avatar of Man wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Sun Runner wrote:

The Avatar of Man wrote:

Sun Runner wrote:Spirit bomb wont work on Superman, he isnt evil just a dick.
also like i said before only magic spells work on superman, Bludgening magic items dont work on Superman, He stopped Thor's hammer with his hand for crying out loud. only cutting or piercing magically enhanced weapons work on him

The point is that at a Super Saiyan level he can basically use the power of all life in the universe (after experiencing knowledge of the whole universe with the Emperor Kai) to power a battle against Superman. I think that at least gives him a shot-- I mean, the universe is pretty big.

But he never really gathered that much in the series and it was for use in the spirit bomb he never absorbed it and it's only to a limited place, the most he ever gathered was from several planets near namek, and it also takes him an incredibly long time to gather it, someone usually has to run distraction while he gathers the energy.

Actually, at the end of DBZ, he used a Spirit Bomb powered by everyone on Earth to kill Kid Buu.

In DBGT, he used a Spirit Bomb powered by (If I remember right) everyone in the galaxy, and when he was making it, he was impervious to attacks. (Omega Shenron kept chucking energy balls at him, but it didn't do anything)

Although I think he had to have Vegeta or someone stall Omega Shenron for a moment.

As well, as stated in the wikipedia article, he can absorb the energy if he wants, and has gotten progressively faster at it throughout the series.

As well, I cite the Law of Anime #69...

The Law of Magnification of Energy

Martial arts characters controlling ki energy can spend up to a whole thirty minutes, or an "episode," charging up, and during such time the other combatant will just stand there and watch without doing anything to stop him. Up to 20 successive "episodes" can go on in this manner, the total amount indirectly proportional to the magnitude of ideas being turned out by the show's writers at the given time.

EDIT: One thing I hadn't thought of-- if he wants, he can simply teleport to another area light-years away, like he's done in the past, and use the time Superman takes to get there to charge.

Well then he cant really hit Superman if he does that.

Sun Runner wrote:

The Avatar of Man wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Sun Runner wrote:

The Avatar of Man wrote:

Sun Runner wrote:Spirit bomb wont work on Superman, he isnt evil just a dick.
also like i said before only magic spells work on superman, Bludgening magic items dont work on Superman, He stopped Thor's hammer with his hand for crying out loud. only cutting or piercing magically enhanced weapons work on him

The point is that at a Super Saiyan level he can basically use the power of all life in the universe (after experiencing knowledge of the whole universe with the Emperor Kai) to power a battle against Superman. I think that at least gives him a shot-- I mean, the universe is pretty big.

But he never really gathered that much in the series and it was for use in the spirit bomb he never absorbed it and it's only to a limited place, the most he ever gathered was from several planets near namek, and it also takes him an incredibly long time to gather it, someone usually has to run distraction while he gathers the energy.

Actually, at the end of DBZ, he used a Spirit Bomb powered by everyone on Earth to kill Kid Buu.

In DBGT, he used a Spirit Bomb powered by (If I remember right) everyone in the galaxy, and when he was making it, he was impervious to attacks. (Omega Shenron kept chucking energy balls at him, but it didn't do anything)

Although I think he had to have Vegeta or someone stall Omega Shenron for a moment.

As well, as stated in the wikipedia article, he can absorb the energy if he wants, and has gotten progressively faster at it throughout the series.

As well, I cite the Law of Anime #69...

The Law of Magnification of Energy

Martial arts characters controlling ki energy can spend up to a whole thirty minutes, or an "episode," charging up, and during such time the other combatant will just stand there and watch without doing anything to stop him. Up to 20 successive "episodes" can go on in this manner, the total amount indirectly proportional to the magnitude of ideas being turned out by the show's writers at the given time.

EDIT: One thing I hadn't thought of-- if he wants, he can simply teleport to another area light-years away, like he's done in the past, and use the time Superman takes to get there to charge.

Well then he cant really hit Superman if he does that.

Not during charging, no-- it's what the charge powers hat counts.

I'd note as well, they they'd technically (at least usually) using he same energy source-- Goku gets his energy from other beings, who get their energy from the sun (usually using a long chain of food leading to plants), while Superman's cells turn the sun's ray's into energy directly, though more efficently. (However, Goku can also get energy from the creatures of the "upper worlds" and the afterlife.)

They can't destroy each other's energy sources because of their moral codes, and it all comes down to who can procure the most energy. It all comes down to who can get more-- Superman's relying on his cells alone, although they're amazingly efficient, while Goku can use any and all beings in the plan of existence. Quality vs. Quantity. Considering the size of the quantity being concentrted in Goku, I think it'll overwelm the great few in Superman.

Fine since we're using a non canon technique that has only used once with Goku I'm bringing out Superman's ultimate attack. It allows Superman to creat a mental arena where he has absolute control. He defeated a multiversal threat with it once. He's used it four times in his career but that's three more times than Goku has used his attack.

You're also assuming Goku fights much smarter than he normaly does. He likes to go in with his fists where Superman will anihilate him.

Besides Goku needs to have people willingly give him their power. He has no way to contact them in this fight. What again is Superman doing while he charges it? Even in the show the enemies don't stand around slack jawed while Goku charges it.

Inferno Prime wrote:Fine since we're using a non canon technique that has only used once with Goku I'm bringing out Superman's ultimate attack. It allows Superman to creat a mental arena where he has absolute control. He defeated a multiversal threat with it once. He's used it four times in his career but that's three more times than Goku has used his attack.

You're also assuming Goku fights much smarter than he normaly does. He likes to go in with his fists where Superman will anihilate him.

Besides Goku needs to have people willingly give him their power. He has no way to contact them in this fight. What again is Superman doing while he charges it? Even in the show the enemies don't stand around slack jawed while Goku charges it.

It is "canon," though I admit I may be forgetting the mechanics of it-- you may be right on some accounts.

And, though Goku isn't "smart," every fight he is in has the same outlay:

1. He rushes in and gets clobbered.
2. He runs/stalls and gathers massive amounts of energy, usually through the passion of protecting that which he loves.
3. He wins despite the odds against him.
(Note steps 1-2 are repeated until success is achieved.)

That's what I'm alluding to.

No the movies are non canon. There is no way to fit the events of most of them into the show. Especially the Android one.

The Avatar of Man wrote:As well, I cite the Law of Anime #69...

The Law of Magnification of Energy

Martial arts characters controlling ki energy can spend up to a whole thirty minutes, or an "episode," charging up, and during such time the other combatant will just stand there and watch without doing anything to stop him. Up to 20 successive "episodes" can go on in this manner, the total amount indirectly proportional to the magnitude of ideas being turned out by the show's writers at the given time.

I don't remember this one. Did they add a bunch of new laws? Because I only remember it going to about 50 or so.

Inferno Prime wrote:No the movies are non canon. There is no way to fit the events of most of them into the show. Especially the Android one.

In the actual GT series, several of the Shadow Dragons were made from wishes in the movies, like Eis Shenron, who was made when Dr. Wheelo was thawed from the ice. As well, then you'd have to explain something called the Garlic Jr. Saga. And how Goku has 3 different origin stories in the series and how Planet Vegeta was destroyed several different ways, even within the tv series. Not everything in a show makes sense-- it's a show.

Just consider the transformers and marvel universes-- they're pretty messed up. They just like to explain inconsistencies with "Oh-- that happened in an alternate universe" instead of "Oh-- a wizard did it." Determining "canon" is basically a term fanboys use to consolidate that-- I personally just go with anything from the licensed producer and go from there. It's a cartoon show-- it's not supposed to be taken seriously.

EDIT:

Shadowman wrote:

The Avatar of Man wrote:As well, I cite the Law of Anime #69...

The Law of Magnification of Energy

Martial arts characters controlling ki energy can spend up to a whole thirty minutes, or an "episode," charging up, and during such time the other combatant will just stand there and watch without doing anything to stop him. Up to 20 successive "episodes" can go on in this manner, the total amount indirectly proportional to the magnitude of ideas being turned out by the show's writers at the given time.

I don't remember this one. Did they add a bunch of new laws? Because I only remember it going to about 50 or so.

You'll find there's a bunch of different set of them online. Just try googling "power" + "laws of anime" + "stand there".

Now, this whole thread reminds me of a Cracked Magazine satire where the American-based cartoons were taking a hammering from the Japan-based Animes. Kimba the White Lion was stomping on Simba from Lion King, for instance. Just as all seemed lost, and the Anime characters were on the verge of victory, Dexter from Dexter's Lab summoned all the superheros from American Cartoons--Batman, Superman, Space Ghost, all those guys.

And Dexter said, "While Japanese heros can BLEED and DIE, American heros CANNOT! So I think we know who finally wins this war!"

And Goku goes, "We're finished!" (or something to that effect).

Sheba wrote:Now, this whole thread reminds me of a Cracked Magazine satire where the American-based cartoons were taking a hammering from the Japan-based Animes. Kimba the White Lion was stomping on Simba from Lion King, for instance. Just as all seemed lost, and the Anime characters were on the verge of victory, Dexter from Dexter's Lab summoned all the superheros from American Cartoons--Batman, Superman, Space Ghost, all those guys.

And Dexter said, "While Japanese heros can BLEED and DIE, American heros CANNOT! So I think we know who finally wins this war!"

And Goku goes, "We're finished!" (or something to that effect).

Batman: TAS, Superman: TAS, Batman Beyond, and Justice League have all shown blood (even from Superman). So that is thrown out the window. The difference is that it is much more graphic from anime characters. We see it dripping down from Goku whereas it just appears as a bloody lip on Superman.

here is a site showing some of Superman's feats over the years.
http://herochat.com/forum/index.php/topic,97023.0.html

Sun Runner wrote:here is a site showing some of Superman's feats over the years.
http://herochat.com/forum/index.php/topic,97023.0.html

That's nothing-- Goku ate over 52 tons of food in under 5 minutes.

The Avatar of Man wrote:

Sun Runner wrote:here is a site showing some of Superman's feats over the years.
http://herochat.com/forum/index.php/topic,97023.0.html

That's nothing-- Goku ate over 52 tons of food in under 5 minutes.

............. not a proud moment but hey it was the 50's it was a screwed up period.

Predaprince wrote:

Sheba wrote:Now, this whole thread reminds me of a Cracked Magazine satire where the American-based cartoons were taking a hammering from the Japan-based Animes. Kimba the White Lion was stomping on Simba from Lion King, for instance. Just as all seemed lost, and the Anime characters were on the verge of victory, Dexter from Dexter's Lab summoned all the superheros from American Cartoons--Batman, Superman, Space Ghost, all those guys.

And Dexter said, "While Japanese heros can BLEED and DIE, American heros CANNOT! So I think we know who finally wins this war!"

And Goku goes, "We're finished!" (or something to that effect).

Batman: TAS, Superman: TAS, Batman Beyond, and Justice League have all shown blood (even from Superman). So that is thrown out the window. The difference is that it is much more graphic from anime characters. We see it dripping down from Goku whereas it just appears as a bloody lip on Superman.

Before Batman TAS, Superman TAS and all that stuff that came later, you NEVER saw a Superhero bleed in a US-made cartoon.

Sheba wrote:

Predaprince wrote:

Sheba wrote:Now, this whole thread reminds me of a Cracked Magazine satire where the American-based cartoons were taking a hammering from the Japan-based Animes. Kimba the White Lion was stomping on Simba from Lion King, for instance. Just as all seemed lost, and the Anime characters were on the verge of victory, Dexter from Dexter's Lab summoned all the superheros from American Cartoons--Batman, Superman, Space Ghost, all those guys.

And Dexter said, "While Japanese heros can BLEED and DIE, American heros CANNOT! So I think we know who finally wins this war!"

And Goku goes, "We're finished!" (or something to that effect).

Batman: TAS, Superman: TAS, Batman Beyond, and Justice League have all shown blood (even from Superman). So that is thrown out the window. The difference is that it is much more graphic from anime characters. We see it dripping down from Goku whereas it just appears as a bloody lip on Superman.

Before Batman TAS, Superman TAS and all that stuff that came later, you NEVER saw a Superhero bleed in a US-made cartoon.

But nowadays you do see it and, since Dexter's Lab is a modern cartoon, that article is basing it off of modern day as well as old cartoons.

I don't exactly see what you are arguing Sheba. I agree that they never did show blood before Batman: TAS and the shows that have spun from it, but that article being mentioned states that they never do bleed, which is not true given the shows that I had already mentioned.

Another preposterous contest going nowhere.