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This is comic Megatron.

The Illuminati gets 1 week of prep. They only know that a 30ft Robot with lasers is coming and they are all in character. No outside help is allowed outside the Illuminati. No Gems.


How does this turn out?

Which Megatron?
If it's Marvel Megatron, then he's dead metal.
If it's Dreamwave Megatron, he's dead metal,
idw Megatron, dead metal
Dude Strange on his own would pwn the living shi* out of any Megatron!

Dead Metal wrote:Which Megatron?
If it's Marvel Megatron, then he's dead metal.
If it's Dreamwave Megatron, he's dead metal,
idw Megatron, dead metal
Dude Strange on his own would pwn the living shi* out of any Megatron!

Yeah, Doctor Strange would be able to do this on his own.

Dead Metal wrote:Which Megatron?
If it's Marvel Megatron, then he's dead metal.
If it's Dreamwave Megatron, he's dead metal,
idw Megatron, dead metal
Dude Strange on his own would pwn the living shi* out of any Megatron!

It's Marvel Megatron. Strange would solo in character?

Everybody would solo in character.

EevilJ wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:Which Megatron?
If it's Marvel Megatron, then he's dead metal.
If it's Dreamwave Megatron, he's dead metal,
idw Megatron, dead metal
Dude Strange on his own would pwn the living shi* out of any Megatron!

It's Marvel Megatron. Strange would solo in character?

Strange has gone toe-to-toe with entities more powerful than any Megatron--he can solo this.

Shadowman wrote:

EevilJ wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:Which Megatron?
If it's Marvel Megatron, then he's dead metal.
If it's Dreamwave Megatron, he's dead metal,
idw Megatron, dead metal
Dude Strange on his own would pwn the living shi* out of any Megatron!

It's Marvel Megatron. Strange would solo in character?

Strange has gone toe-to-toe with entities more powerful than any Megatron--he can solo this.

Agreed, mystical/supernatural powers trump technology any day of the week.

Reed: Oh ****, look at my shiny new Transformer-killing spoongun.

Strange: *throws up the horns and obliterates the planet*

Black Bolt: ...hi. *city is annihilated*

Xavier: Oh hey you've got thought processes *mindrape*

Iron Man: *hic* *EXTREMIS HAX* "REGISTER!"

Namor: Imperius Rex! *punch*

you all forget one very, very important thing Megatron is intellegent yes, yes he has an anti-matter cannon, yes he can take massive damage and still stand, but most important of all you've forgotten the one thing that makes Megatron who he is....His willpower, he gets more and more dangerous as his mission is threatened and when he snaps not even Strange can hold him back.

also Ironman is limited to Earthen tech as is Reed, Megatron is not limited in the sense his race has had zillions of years to study and create.

strength wise Megatron is just monstrous even against overwelming odds, he also has a cannon to back his punches if need be.

and Megatron has no soul in battle, the Illuminati does, Megatron would know this and trick them, Strange can't read his mind because he'd just go insane from whats in there.

WarzoneBeta wrote:you all forget one very, very important thing Megatron is intellegent yes, yes he has an anti-matter cannon, yes he can take massive damage and still stand, but most important of all you've forgotten the one thing that makes Megatron who he is....His willpower, he gets more and more dangerous as his mission is threatened and when he snaps not even Strange can hold him back.

Then why is it that he ends up retreating at the end nearly every episode?

WarzoneBeta wrote:also Ironman is limited to Earthen tech as is Reed, Megatron is not limited in the sense his race has had zillions of years to study and create.

Earthen Tech that has fought on Thor's level. (Thor is a God, by the way)

WarzoneBeta wrote:strength wise Megatron is just monstrous even against overwelming odds, he also has a cannon to back his punches if need be.

Black Bolt can cough and blow up a city, and that's not an exaggeration.

WarzoneBeta wrote:and Megatron has no soul in battle, the Illuminati does, Megatron would know this and trick them, Strange can't read his mind because he'd just go insane from whats in there.

Strange doesn't need to read his mind (They have Xavier for that). Strange just needs to throw god-killing spells.

Then why is it that he ends up retreating at the end nearly every episode?
Because he will not kill a fellow cybertronian for no reason, what I mean is once the thing he was trying to get is rendered usless he has no reason to harm the Autobots, if he wanted to he could but his one goal is the preservation of Cybertron and its people though it doesn't seem that way.

Earthen Tech that has fought on Thor's level. (Thor is a God, by the way)

Yes Thor is a god but Megatron is a god in the eyes of his people and he draws power from a blackhole which even a god couldn't survive, if you want to get technical Megatron can stand toe-to-toe with beings such as Godzilla(not the American one) in a fists only fight that would end in a draw, and Godzilla beat the hell out of ALL the Avengers even Thor. As for tech remember the mention of how long the Transformer race has been around, Ironman has his limits as does Reed, Megatron has no limits he is tirless and can counter anything they throw at him.

Black Bolt can cough and blow up a city, and that's not an exaggeration.

Megatron is capable of leveling continents and if need be planets with one or two shots.(this is true but its hard to find this description but its 100% true).

Strange doesn't need to read his mind (They have Xavier for that). Strange just needs to throw god-killing spells.[/quote]

Xaveir wouldn't be able to read Megatron's mind(hell, Jean Grey couldn't)his mind is both chaotic and strong, don't get me started on the fact that he is in a sense a "contact" telepath(someone needs to be in his mind say Jean for it to work, though it isn't well know) and his mental sheilding is beyond compare according to Soundwave(this was a breif mention and is hard to locate as well), Megatron would walk through magic attacks with little effort, well yes he would be injured but he'd brush it off(the guy can take one hell of a pounding and still stand).

I would like to point out that Megatron would spare them if they put up a worthy fight(and I belive they would), he would even offer to fight alongside them one day, on contrary to popular belife Megatron has a strict code of honor, he respects warriors who can stand on their own against overwelming odds, so truly I think it would end like this;

(Big fight scene, city is trashed badly)
Strange: Keep fighting we can't let him win!
(Megatron suddenly stops and starts laughing)
Megatron: You fight well fleshling, I'm honored by your bravery!
Ironman: What, am I missing something?
Meg: You have deemed yourselves worthy, I'll spare you for that.
(Megatron rises into the air)
Meg: I must be going there is nothing of worth here.
Reed: Wait, we can't let you leave!
Meg: hmph, Maybe one day we will fight side by side, Farewell.
(Megatron flys into the horizon)
Xavier: I don't think we were correct labeling him a monster.
Strange: He is a warrior, he only spares those who are worthy.
(Strange looks to his freinds)
Strange: He has lost his way, a tragic fate for a warrior.
Ironman: Idiots terms please.
Reed: He is a soldier who gained to much power to quickly.
Ironman: Oh...right, anyone wanna go get some beer?

WarzoneBeta wrote:Then why is it that he ends up retreating at the end nearly every episode?
Because he will not kill a fellow cybertronian for no reason, what I mean is once the thing he was trying to get is rendered usless he has no reason to harm the Autobots, if he wanted to he could but his one goal is the preservation of Cybertron and its people though it doesn't seem that way.

We're talking about the same guy, right? I'm talking about the Megatron who would lie, cheat, and steal just so he could rule with an iron fist.

WarzoneBeta wrote:Earthen Tech that has fought on Thor's level. (Thor is a God, by the way)

Yes Thor is a god but Megatron is a god in the eyes of his people and he draws power from a blackhole which even a god couldn't survive, if you want to get technical Megatron can stand toe-to-toe with beings such as Godzilla(not the American one) in a fists only fight that would end in a draw, and Godzilla beat the hell out of ALL the Avengers even Thor. As for tech remember the mention of how long the Transformer race has been around, Ironman has his limits as does Reed, Megatron has no limits he is tirless and can counter anything they throw at him.

I'm talking about Thor. Thor Odinson, who happened to be there at the beginning of the universe? Thor, who can only be killed by one single being in the whole universe, and even then, only at a specific time and place.

WarzoneBeta wrote:Black Bolt can cough and blow up a city, and that's not an exaggeration.

Megatron is capable of leveling continents and if need be planets with one or two shots.(this is true but its hard to find this description but its 100% true).

That's an exaggeration. If Megatron could do that, the war would have been critically shorter. Black Bolt is reserved, hence why he doesn't do that. Megatron used Teletraan-I to launch the Autobots into the Sun, I can assume if he could destroy a planet in one or two shots, he would.

WarzoneBeta wrote:Strange doesn't need to read his mind (They have Xavier for that). Strange just needs to throw god-killing spells.

Xaveir wouldn't be able to read Megatron's mind(hell, Jean Grey couldn't)his mind is both chaotic and strong, don't get me started on the fact that he is in a sense a "contact" telepath(someone needs to be in his mind say Jean for it to work, though it isn't well know) and his mental sheilding is beyond compare according to Soundwave(this was a breif mention and is hard to locate as well), Megatron would walk through magic attacks with little effort, well yes he would be injured but he'd brush it off(the guy can take one hell of a pounding and still stand).

Okay, no. No no no. Megatron was near-death after being kicked off a ledge by Prime (Who was extremely weak, and died moments later). There is no way he could brush off attacks that have kick Mephisto's ass.

1. yes, we are talking about the same guy, and yes he'd do those things but all in the name of Cybertron's preservation.

2. I'm sorry but there isn't just one being who can kill Thor, to list a few; Venom(has killed him), Carnage(killed Venom), Toxin(almost killed Carnage), that guy I think he's called the Sentry, Godzilla(there is a Marvel version),Dark Pheonix, and the Juggernut(has stood toe-to-toe with Venom).

3. Earth IS a valuable resource he wouldn't destroy it for that fact alone, remember preservation of his home world.

4. Prime is capable of ripping islands in half, obliterating planets, and its a damn good thing he isn't evil. Megatron is powerful but Prime is his equal, and Megatron didn't die if it wasn't for Starscream he would have been fine, Prime did die in the movie. also in a twisted way Megatron cares for Prime, without Prime he'd have no equal no flip side of the coin, that and as said before Megatron is honored to fight powerful beings, his honor though twisted and warped by being a slave to the Autobots is still there. Megatron has said before that if it wasn't for the war they'd probably be friends.

for reference I have made a power level chart with the Transformers using a "tarot"-like reference.(note: I'm not using gesalts or city-formers)
highest to lowest:
Life&Death-Unicron&Primus
The Son-Megatron&Optimus
The King-Shockwave(he is the oldest and wisest)
The Mystic-Soundwave
The Guard-Grimlock
The Soldier-Ultra Magnus
The Lover-Elita1
(can't go further down the list is to long)
Now on a Marvel scale:
Life&Death-Godzilla(can destroy the universe but doesn't want to)
The Son-Dark Pheonix,Thor,&Sentry
The King-Galactus,Venom,&Carnage(I don't get it either)
The Mystic-Loki,Strange,Xavier,&Magneto
The Guard-(to many)
The Soldier-Hulk,Juggernut,&Spiderman
The Lover-(to many)

note this is an ESTIMATED scale based on facts and proof.

note this is an ESTIMATED scale based on facts and proof.

No its not.

ife&Death-Godzilla(can destroy the universe but doesn't want to)
The Son-Dark Pheonix,Thor,&Sentry
The King-Galactus,Venom,&Carnage(I don't get it either)
The Mystic-Loki,Strange,Xavier,&Magneto
The Guard-(to many)
The Soldier-Hulk,Juggernut,&Spiderman
The Lover-(to many)

You've put Galactus in the same class as Venom and carnage. Galactus is a cosmic being who destroys galaxies as side effect of his battles. Venom and Carange have trouble with Spiderman

Godzilla is not capable of destroying the universe. Hulk and Juggernaut are both millions of times more powerful than Spider-man

I'm sorry but there isn't just one being who can kill Thor, to list a few; Venom(has killed him), Carnage(killed Venom), Toxin(almost killed Carnage), that guy I think he's called the Sentry, Godzilla(there is a Marvel version),Dark Pheonix, and the Juggernut(has stood toe-to-toe with Venom).

Venom did once beat Venom due to a powerup and generaly poor writing. However this was rectified in a later story where Juggernaut beat Venom into black goo with ease

Venom and carnage are nats compared to guys like Sentry and Thor. Sentry killed Carnage within moments of their first meeting.

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Prime is capable of ripping islands in half, obliterating planets

Stop making stuff up. His comic book profile states he can lift 2000 tons and hit with a force of 2,000,000 pounds per sqaure inch. Not planet destroying.

I've seen Hulk lift 150 billion tons. I've seen him move tectonic plates with his arms. I've seen Thor move the weight of planet Earth. Prime and Megatron can't play with the big boys of comics.

This idea that Prime and Megtron are DBZ level fighters who only appear to be on par with mid tier charactrers like Thing or Iron man is rediculous.

On the versus match itself. This a horribly easy win in the Illuminati's favour. Still not as bad as say Megatron versus the Justice league of America. That fight could be measured in Pico seconds.

OK waaaaaaaay to much crazy stuff in this thread to quote!

Carnage did not kill Venom, Venom ate Carnage once.

Godzilla can not destroy the Universe. Also Megatron cannot go toe to toe with him, since Godzilla is, well bigger than him and Radioactive maybe? And may have eaten Robots of Megatrons caliber?

Also were the hell did you get the idea of Godzilla beating Thor? Thor =Marvel Godzilla = Toho of Japan.
Also the only Godzilla Megatron could hope to beat would be the American one, cos you know, he's crap and week.

Also were the hell do you get all these facts about Megatron and his honor and him caring for Prime, this sounds like you're fusing all Megatrons ever of all continuities together in one.

And if Megatron really would never kill a Cybertronian for no real reason at all, why did he do so in the Movie or why did he try and send all autobots into the Sun?

Also this is suposed to be Marvel comics Megatron, who if I remember right got his ass handed out to him all the time by following:

Shockwave,
Starscream,
Prime,
Galvatron,
his clone,
Ratchet.

So do you really want to tell me that Ratchet is more powerful then a god?!

Oh and Spider-Man is not on the same level as the Juggernout, in my eyes he'S the best guy ever but he's still not on the Juggernouts level.

And when did Venom ever kill Thor?

I still say Strange takes this o his own, with one hand tied to his back, drinking vine, inhaling his stuff, watching TV and patting some mystical pet.

Dead Metal wrote:Also this is suposed to be Marvel comics Megatron, who if I remember right got his ass handed out to him all the time by following:

Shockwave,
Starscream,
Prime,
Galvatron,
his clone,
Ratchet.

Come on:

Shockwave: Megatron was only at a fraction of his full strength.
Starscream: I don't remember him beating Megatron aside from G2 comics where he merged with the Warworld.
Prime: Their battles were more like fifty fifty since they were evenly matched.
Galvatron: He's the most powerful TF in the Marvel G1 comic, I'll give you that one.
The Clone: The clone shot it's own head off....
Ratchet: Technically the victory belongs to a weak cliff.....

At any rate, Megatron could easily kill Prof X and Reed Richards.

Afterwards I'd put Namor and Iron Man. Iron Man used a transformer sized armor and faced Megatron in the Avengers/Transformers crossover. But it's pretty horribly written. IDW Megatron as seen in Infiltration would probably have trashed Iron Man. Namor could get a few good hits in, but he'd eventually get slaughtered.

Then we get to the real threats: Black Bolt, he might actually be able to defeat Megatron in a swift move. That is if Megs doesn't blast him to hell first. A interesting thing of note, Megatron's first Marvel introduction stated that he could easily blow up Autobot strongholds with his armcannon (not unlike what Blackbolt can do).

Now Doc Strange has the advantages over Megs, I can't see Megs beat him unless he can ambush Strange when he's on the toilet or something

Inferno Prime wrote:

note this is an ESTIMATED scale based on facts and proof.

No its not.

Not to mention, if Megatron could destroy planets, and Galvatron was stronger than Megatron, wouldn't he have just blown up the Junk Planet, and pick the Matrix out of the pieces?

I apologize for the posts made using my account, (please stand by while I shove my little brother in a closet)
Now for the true WarzoneBeta's opinion:
It would be a draw, Megatron would find their weaknesses and use them but in the end the Decepticons and the French have the same war cry.

note: my bro is right on somethings here are somethings that ARE offical:

Abilities: Megatron is incredibly powerful and intelligent, the equal of Autobot Leader Optimus Prime. His fusion cannon can convert any small amount of matter into large quantities of explosive nuclear energy. The cannon can fire a blast up to 12 miles and release enough energy to flatten a small town. Megatron can use his internal circuitry to connect the cannon interdimensionally with a black hole, where it can draw on anti-matter as its power source. The blast from this is far greater, but it creates a tremendous strain on Megatron to do this for even one blast.

Weaknesses: Megatron has no known weaknesses

WarzoneBeta wrote:I apologize for the posts made using my account, (please stand by while I shove my little brother in a closet)
Now for the true WarzoneBeta's opinion:
It would be a draw, Megatron would find their weaknesses and use them but in the end the Decepticons and the French have the same war cry.

note: my bro is right on somethings here are somethings that ARE offical:

Abilities: Megatron is incredibly powerful and intelligent, the equal of Autobot Leader Optimus Prime. His fusion cannon can convert any small amount of matter into large quantities of explosive nuclear energy. The cannon can fire a blast up to 12 miles and release enough energy to flatten a small town. Megatron can use his internal circuitry to connect the cannon interdimensionally with a black hole, where it can draw on anti-matter as its power source. The blast from this is far greater, but it creates a tremendous strain on Megatron to do this for even one blast.

Weaknesses: Megatron has no known weaknesses

That's from his Tech Spec Bio, and thus, is entirely wrong. It was decided a long time ago that Tech Spec Bios were not to be used to prove the power of Transformers.

The "no weaknesses" part doesn't make a TF invincible. It means that they don't have a special trait/disorder/malfunction that could be to their disadvantage.

Goldbug for instance is also mentioned to have no weaknesses, but a overwhelmingly large number of Transformers could still defeat him in combat.

Stormwolf wrote:The "no weaknesses" part doesn't make a TF invincible. It means that they don't have a special trait/disorder/malfunction that could be to their disadvantage.

Goldbug for instance is also mentioned to have no weaknesses, but a overwhelmingly large number of Transformers could still defeat him in combat.

Weaknesses: A nuclear missile to the face.

*Sigh*

WarzoneBeta wrote:Abilities: Megatron is incredibly powerful and intelligent, the equal of Autobot Leader Optimus Prime.

Any number of Transformers episodes have shown this to be debateable at best. I'm fairly certain that, at least in the early Marvel comics, the same is the case.

His fusion cannon can convert any small amount of matter into large quantities of explosive nuclear energy. The cannon can fire a blast up to 12 miles and release enough energy to flatten a small town.

Here's a pretty good example of why tech-specs just don't make for a good estimate. To be able to do this, Megatron's fusion cannon would have the output of a medium sized Fission bomb.

Yes, a nuclear weapon. There are certain telling details of a nuclear blast. We never see any of them from impacts from said fusion cannon, that I'm aware of. And since Megatron is hardly a model of restraint in most of his incarnations, I highly doubt that he 'just holds back'.

Megatron can use his internal circuitry to connect the cannon interdimensionally with a black hole, where it can draw on anti-matter as its power source. The blast from this is far greater, but it creates a tremendous strain on Megatron to do this for even one blast.

See above. I've seen the black-hole tap episode. Not even a mushroom cloud, or a shockwave (at least, one that isn't ocularly challenged) in sight. Also, even at the normal above listed output, there should be a degree of gamma ray release. Look at Buster, Spike, Carly, Sparkplug et al not becoming shadows burned into the pavement.

Weaknesses: Megatron has no known weaknesses

...Aside from astounding arrogance, and shortsightedness. But at least Kryptonite doesn't hurt him.