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NewWindRider wrote:Let's just be straight up honest here. People are stupid. A kid misbehaves because a parent or other supervisual unit ALLOWS them to. Be it of fear, love or laziness, it's wrong. My daughter's 8 months old, and by the time she's two, she'll know better than to throw a fit, in public or out of it, or she doesn't EAT FOR THE NEXT EFFING WEEK! Well. Not that harsh. But daddy's got a paddle with her name already on it, and even has a happy clown face painted on it. That's right, psychological warfare at it's FINEST!

Parent's need to be ADULTS. Your kid calls you a (Witnessed this in a walmart recently) '**** bitch' because you won't buy him the Pokemon cards (four year old by the way) you don't tell him "Don't say that." You haul his ass into the most crowded isle you can find, and you pop him a good one, right in the teeth. BACK of the hand, DO IT RIGHT.

Everyone's afraid to do that now though, because someone will call CPS on them, or tell them they're horrible parents. NO! That's NOT how it works. You turn around, ball up your fist and say 'BITCH, YOU'RE NEXT!'

I love my daughter to death, but dammit, she will learn via quote 'negative reinforcement' because it's a proven method. 'Oh no... NOOO... people who were taught through violence ARE violent.' That's retarded. People who burn themselves on the stove learn that HEY! That thing's orange for a reason! it's HOT. But they don't necessarily turn into arsonists.

'You're an asshole.'
KABOOM!

I win, and I think you learned not to do that anymore. It's a win-win situation.


Dear lord, look at the time. My bad.

Long story not so short... hate the sinner, not the sin. The parents are the primary underlying reason that children become what they become.

And yeah... kids and toys... um, I hate when that... no.





PS

Zombie Starscream wrote:I think thats what happened to Megatron. His mother wanted to be his "friend" instead of a parent so he would think she was "cool" and "with it" and his friends would think she was a "cool" mom. Thats probably why he's so bad. He never got a proper swat on his metal butt when it was timely

Megatron's mom was a total MILF. She didn't have to TRY to be cool. What was she thinking?

Parenting like this is what created the lackluster parents of today. The parents of today got their teeth knocked in, paddled, beaten, punched in the mouth (I still cannot believe you even said such a thing) and rather than make their children suffer the same fate, they look the other way when it comes time to punish the child.

There's a difference between punishing your child, and beating them. You, sir (or ma'am), are content with BEATING them. Ridiculous.

Parents would've never been in trouble with CPS or any other social service if they hadn't beaten their children to begin with. There's a difference between spanking a child's hand, etc and taking a paddle (with a clown face on it, no less...) and BEATING them with it.

I *was* beaten with a paddle by a principal and I've never forgotten it. I was beaten and punished for something I didn't do...AT 5 YEARS OLD! I never forgot it, and I won't forget it either. It still angers me beyond belief and if I could find that principal, I'd bash his face in for every swing he took at me.

And you don't refer to a child as a "Bitch." ("Bitch, you're next!")

It's a shame our world has come to this... -_-

There's punishment (including spankings) and then there's physical abuse. Big difference, and you support the latter apparently.

If I have kids...anyone that knocks my kid in the mouth, teeth, backhands 'em...whatever...they're gonna have to deal with me. That includes my significant other (or wife, depending on the situation), and even my parents. (or other relatives)

*shakes head* and it's hate the sin, not the sinner.

I love these threads lol, it seems to me that these people that talk of the fall of society are always saying that physical disciplining is the way to go.

I ride in a very bad neighborhood on mass transit and those kids get beat on the bus, my sister, got her kids taken because most parents these days just breed and do not raise.

The parents over discipline the child verbally and physically then tell the child to shut up their mouth and this just leads to more of the same.

If you train your child to respond to other discipline actions you would not have to take the coal shovel to them.

When I was young my mom took something away from me and put it on the refrigerator, spankings or actual abuse loose their hold and just become norms to kids these days.

The spoiled and wild random kids you see in the stores are the way their parents want them to be, they are molding their kids into whatever they want with no regard for future implications of the present behavior to themselves or others.

yup, parents who act like children. When I was a kid my G'ma was an adult, who acted like an adult and demanded respect. Most parents these days are just spoiled kids raising spoiled kids.

Going back to the original post of the topic, I don't collect the toys anymore, but when I did I was lucky enough not to have something I was about to pick up be snatched away by a child.

Kids are easily excitable though, so if they see something they like in a shop, they'll snatch it away and not care if they were being rude or not, because they are children. I've never seen a child politely wait to see if somebody else wanted a toy they were after before they took it for themselves.

Autobot032 wrote:

NewWindRider wrote:Let's just be straight up honest here. People are stupid. A kid misbehaves because a parent or other supervisual unit ALLOWS them to. Be it of fear, love or laziness, it's wrong. My daughter's 8 months old, and by the time she's two, she'll know better than to throw a fit, in public or out of it, or she doesn't EAT FOR THE NEXT EFFING WEEK! Well. Not that harsh. But daddy's got a paddle with her name already on it, and even has a happy clown face painted on it. That's right, psychological warfare at it's FINEST!

Parent's need to be ADULTS. Your kid calls you a (Witnessed this in a walmart recently) '**** bitch' because you won't buy him the Pokemon cards (four year old by the way) you don't tell him "Don't say that." You haul his ass into the most crowded isle you can find, and you pop him a good one, right in the teeth. BACK of the hand, DO IT RIGHT.

Everyone's afraid to do that now though, because someone will call CPS on them, or tell them they're horrible parents. NO! That's NOT how it works. You turn around, ball up your fist and say 'BITCH, YOU'RE NEXT!'

I love my daughter to death, but dammit, she will learn via quote 'negative reinforcement' because it's a proven method. 'Oh no... NOOO... people who were taught through violence ARE violent.' That's retarded. People who burn themselves on the stove learn that HEY! That thing's orange for a reason! it's HOT. But they don't necessarily turn into arsonists.

'You're an asshole.'
KABOOM!

I win, and I think you learned not to do that anymore. It's a win-win situation.


Dear lord, look at the time. My bad.

Long story not so short... hate the sinner, not the sin. The parents are the primary underlying reason that children become what they become.

And yeah... kids and toys... um, I hate when that... no.





PS

Zombie Starscream wrote:I think thats what happened to Megatron. His mother wanted to be his "friend" instead of a parent so he would think she was "cool" and "with it" and his friends would think she was a "cool" mom. Thats probably why he's so bad. He never got a proper swat on his metal butt when it was timely

Megatron's mom was a total MILF. She didn't have to TRY to be cool. What was she thinking?

Parenting like this is what created the lackluster parents of today. The parents of today got their teeth knocked in, paddled, beaten, punched in the mouth (I still cannot believe you even said such a thing) and rather than make their children suffer the same fate, they look the other way when it comes time to punish the child.

There's a difference between punishing your child, and beating them. You, sir (or ma'am), are content with BEATING them. Ridiculous.

Parents would've never been in trouble with CPS or any other social service if they hadn't beaten their children to begin with. There's a difference between spanking a child's hand, etc and taking a paddle (with a clown face on it, no less...) and BEATING them with it.

I *was* beaten with a paddle by a principal and I've never forgotten it. I was beaten and punished for something I didn't do...AT 5 YEARS OLD! I never forgot it, and I won't forget it either. It still angers me beyond belief and if I could find that principal, I'd bash his face in for every swing he took at me.

And you don't refer to a child as a "Bitch." ("Bitch, you're next!")

It's a shame our world has come to this... -_-

There's punishment (including spankings) and then there's physical abuse. Big difference, and you support the latter apparently.

If I have kids...anyone that knocks my kid in the mouth, teeth, backhands 'em...whatever...they're gonna have to deal with me. That includes my significant other (or wife, depending on the situation), and even my parents. (or other relatives)

*shakes head* and it's hate the sin, not the sinner.

I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that you were incapable of using logic, NOR seeing exageration in the form of mild humor as a way of keeping potentially over-liberal conformists like yourself from spazzing. Pay attention, little grasshopper. Quote 'Back of the hand' That's a smack. Not a punch. If you deem otherwise, come join the rest of the world. There are FEW that are completely **** up because of the previous generation, and regardless of what you'd like to think people come out messed up of EVERY generation, and you know what's hilarious? Since the dawn of man, most of it's been blamed on punishment, and everyone tries to conform to the crybaby that wants to cop out and not take responsibility because daddy beat him as a child. BULLSHIT! I can see this strikes a cord with you, and I'm guessing you were beaten or molested or something of the like as a child and that's why you want to so defiantly make an assumption of myself as opposed to just a group in general, which statistically speaking is easier to peg. I, myself, however... don't think you have the life experience nor the right or ABILITY to actually judge a specific person when knowing absolutely nothing about them.

Let's get this straight... If we want to go by idiot logic, which I believe we shall so that it's easiest to follow... Every generation, punishments become less harsh and more... democtatic let's say... and children are given sanction to do as they please on a larger scale. Let's also note that according to surveys and polls done since this country started, every generation agrees that the generation BEFORE them and the generation AFTER them is horrible. Now in addition let's throw in the documented uprising of violence and thievery and other crimes at young ages. Using a VERY basic first grade bell curve, what do we assume?

1. Violence is on the rise every year.
2. More and more punishments are discarded every year.

This leads us to what set of possible assumptions class?

1. Spanking, mouth swats and the occasional fisticuffs (for the 16-18 set) has no bearing over the average child's end mindset on an apocolyptic scale.
2. As punishments become less unenjoyable, they become less useful and therefor meaningful.

We've known this since Christ was a corporal. I quote Aristotle's 'Ethics' here...

'It is the nature of the many to be ruled by fear rather than by shame, and to refrain from evil not because of the disgrace but because of the punishments.'

Can we not agree that the average person, in absence of the law, would take what he could without question? Has no one ever been in a store and thought 'I could steal that... but what if I get caught?'

You say I am content with beating my child... I beat NO one. IF you had two braincells to rub together you'd have seen the mild off-color exaggerative humor in my previous post as I imagine most of the others did. You make me wonder, are you ignorant, meaning you simply lack the existance of knowledge... or are you STUPID, meaning you have the knowledge or have been presented access to it and denied it?

Why should the parent break their wrist to spank the child when they can more easily use and often times better control the speed and power of a paddle?

You're lost in life aren't you? Holding a grudge over someone that hurt you when you were five? I have news for you... at least the schools TRIED to do something back then. IF you messed up, you knew it. And it was fine that the occasional innocent got a few swats on the butt, because it was MORE than compensated for by the fact that more of the actual trouble makers were being punished. I do NOT agree with the idea of someone else diciplining my child, and neither do most. However those that don't agree with it, and then their idea of punishment is to ground the child from their GAMEBOY FOR A **** DAY, don't DESERVE children. And I can tell you almost everyone in this forum will agree with me on that point.

You decide you want to beat your principle from 22 years ago for TRYING TO DO HIS JOB? You're right. Violent punishment DOES breed violence but ONLY in the weak minded. If you have that much rage built up inside of you, I've got nearly four years of psych under my belt. Why don't you and I talk, and we'll try to figure out why all the ink blots look like vaginas to you?

As for the comment of refering to a child as a 'Bitch' that was completely misinterpereted. That would have been a reactive comment made to someone who told me I COULDN'T punish my child.

As for people having to deal with you if they dicipline your child... I agree on that. NO ONE save for the other parent TOUCHES the child. However from your blatant display of idiocy, I pray not only for society in general, but as well for your potential children, that you do NOT reproduce.

And before we end this little tangent, let us not leave out the comment about spanking not working. At this point I fail to remember whether YOU said it or someone else said it, so I will direct it in everyone's general direction.

Spanking not working, like any worthwhile punishment, is not because it is outdate or resisted well. Physical punishment must be coupled with reason. 'SMACK don't do that anymore.' does not cut it. 'SMACK don't do that because of this, future consequences could lead to this, here's an example' DOES. You have to add a stable mindset, reason that a child can understand, AND a certain level of restraint. In other words it takes a decent person to administer a decent punishment. We are dealing with a human in it's formative years, and as such, there are many variables.

Smacking a child for saying DAMN and leaving it at that leads down a potential path of the subconscious believing that if someone does something you don't like, you hurt them.

Smacking a child for saying DAMN and explaining why it shouldn't be said on the other hand not only instills some common sense in the rugrat, but as well, actually improves their problem solving skills.

I'm well aware that the original phrase was hate the sin, not the sinner. You believe you are amusing and clever, but it's common sense. IT was reversed for the specific variables of this conversation. The sinner being the parent who did not dicipline, and the sin being the child who LACKS dicipline.

Now, before you decide to be a prick and retaliate saying that I'm an asshole, I KNOW I'm an asshole, and it works. I have a successful job, a loving family and a decent (and getting better) education. The reason this is such a touchy subject is because to properly punish a child, you must understand that child, and it must understand YOU.

One day when you have children, gods forbid, you will possibly become capable of understanding that. That said, you fired, I returned fire. Both shots were taken publicly. My theory killed your theory, not because it's wrong, but because you presented it poorly and took it to a personal level.

Any further arguing you'd like to do, even on the level of a public debate, can be taken to the private messengers or posted in a new topic where others can take part. Just keep in mind before you drag me to some distant field that I've likely got more experience than you, and I have no problem ripping apart a theory. I do my research, most of which is hands on. This argumentative stuff is what I do for a living, and I'm damn good at it. We can leave it at an informative level or we can take it to a personal level again, but I will be happy to do both.

And touche'.

I hereby resign myself from this topic, reserving the right to reinstate my argument at any time and place should you decide to continue in this spot. After all... by technicality, we ARE spamming.

Counterpunch wrote:

The Master Blaster wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:

Ash wrote:Know that the 09 bumblebee is the rarest Tf movie fig rite?
yeah well I found one, now this Kid Comes along while I was examining/wondering (same difference) its details and Grabs the end of the box and Points at his Parents who were on the queue holding A voyager Optimus prime and says (I translated) "that truck guy sucks and so does my parents, Please give me this Car Guy, Or I'll tell you suck as well" I told him (I was quite relunctant to let go) "is'nt the "truck guy" bigger?" hE pulls so hard The packaging gets torn apart He grabbed the Toy and ran To I dont know where though is Parents did go after him, I was left with the tech specs card.

None of this happened.

Don't tell stories.

I'll report you to the Police next time you go about slandering nice consumers.

Is this number two or three?

This is the second time in 30 days that a poster has made Baby Jesus cry with his (or her) horrible lies.

Ash, are you the same person who tried to lie to the entire board about the same thing like a week or two ago?

What about the 'leader class Ironhide' thingy?

SoundStang wrote:

Zombie Starscream wrote:I wouldn't be surprised. I think parents and kids are like owners and dogs.

Except you need a license to own a dog,(and some breeds are becoming illegal to own) yet anyone can breed obnoxious children. Where is the sense in that?

If I acted like that as a child, my 5'2'' Mother would get the coal shovel out... We learned quick.

Um, you don't have to have a license to own a dog, idiot! =\

The best (or nicest, I should say) kids are the ones that have NO PUNISHMENT AT ALL. But instead, you just TEACH them how to be good people (and DON'T punish them for something stupid like "watching T.v. too much" or "wearing the wrong color clothing", etc.). Those are the kids that wouldn't steal your toy in the first place.

And Wind, uh, "negative reinforcement" is when you DON'T do anything, not when you punish them.

Autobot032 wrote:Parenting like this is what created the lackluster parents of today. The parents of today got their teeth knocked in, paddled, beaten, punched in the mouth (I still cannot believe you even said such a thing) and rather than make their children suffer the same fate, they look the other way when it comes time to punish the child.

There's a difference between punishing your child, and beating them. You, sir (or ma'am), are content with BEATING them. Ridiculous.

Parents would've never been in trouble with CPS or any other social service if they hadn't beaten their children to begin with. There's a difference between spanking a child's hand, etc and taking a paddle (with a clown face on it, no less...) and BEATING them with it.

I *was* beaten with a paddle by a principal and I've never forgotten it. I was beaten and punished for something I didn't do...AT 5 YEARS OLD! I never forgot it, and I won't forget it either. It still angers me beyond belief and if I could find that principal, I'd bash his face in for every swing he took at me.

And you don't refer to a child as a "Bitch." ("Bitch, you're next!")

It's a shame our world has come to this... -_-

There's punishment (including spankings) and then there's physical abuse. Big difference, and you support the latter apparently.

If I have kids...anyone that knocks my kid in the mouth, teeth, backhands 'em...whatever...they're gonna have to deal with me. That includes my significant other (or wife, depending on the situation), and even my parents. (or other relatives)

*shakes head* and it's hate the sin, not the sinner.

He was exaggerating, which in most cases is to make the post appear funny, in this case more like to give it personality. He forgets that with a few subjects it won't be obvious to people who don't know him. He probably wasn't exaggerating that he might hit his kid with a paddle at some point, but I don't know for sure. (And the "Bitch you're next" was aimed at the CPS (which is DCFS) agent... that one's an obvious joke, though.)

NewWindRider wrote:Why don't you and I talk, and we'll try to figure out why all the ink blots look like vaginas to you?

But they really do all look like vaginas! Have you seen them? haha.

Corporal punishment is ineffective. The only evidence to the contrary is anecdotal.

Corporal punishment provides an instant gratification illusion of effectiveness. The subject does stop the undesired behavior immediately after punishment is administered. Unfortunately, even that is a diminishing-returns game. More and more extreme punishment is required for a consistent level of influence. The long-term effects, however, are what really make corporal punishment worthless. Corporal punishment does not engender respect. It engenders resentment and duplicity.

There are discipline strategies that do work, however. The core of any of these is consistency. If the subject knows what to expect ahead of time, testing incidences will mostly extinguish.

Every kid will misbehave at some point. Every adult will test the law.

Do you want to be paddled for speeding (let's say by a 25-foot tall robocop?) or do you just want your ticket and points?

Ya know I never had this problem collecting toys. I never had a toy snatched from me or had to put up with unruly kids. Then again I never shop at walmart. The one that is closest to me is the Wal-Mart in Bay City Michigan. T went one time with my boyfriend's mom in late spring and while we were checking out I looked behind me and saw sterotypical rednecks.
The Dad was picking his nose. The oldest daughter was a preteen obease and had a nasty sunburn and wore a waay too off the shoulder dress with a lepard skin pattern and black leggings and her feet were in thease really beat up dress shoes and the mom's face looked like leather from smoking too much. Oh Dear Primus did they smell horrable and they looked filty like they didn't bathe for weeks. It was that moment on I desided that If I wanted something from walmart I would pay a friend to get it for me.

The guy who started this thread was bullshitting when it was started last year. What was the point of resurrecting it now?

Y'know what the best punishment is? Not hitting, or a talking to, it's NO ALLOWANCE FOR YOU. I've never seen anything as effective as that.

mewgirl wrote:

SoundStang wrote:

Zombie Starscream wrote:I wouldn't be surprised. I think parents and kids are like owners and dogs.

Except you need a license to own a dog,(and some breeds are becoming illegal to own) yet anyone can breed obnoxious children. Where is the sense in that?

If I acted like that as a child, my 5'2'' Mother would get the coal shovel out... We learned quick.

Um, you don't have to have a license to own a dog, idiot! =\

Not only are you wrong, but you're wrong and rude. I won't say you're an idiot. Saying you're an idiot would be rude. But if I were to say that you were an idiot, I would do it in big bold capital letters. Moving on, because saying you were in fact an idiot for being not only incorrect, but rude, just isn't on-topic anymore...

In the City Soundstang lives in, you do in fact need a license to own a dog.

Next time, think before you type, or someone might just end up calling you an idiot, which is rude and something I would NEVER do.

^True dat Punch, true dat.

Counterpunch wrote:

mewgirl wrote:

SoundStang wrote:

Zombie Starscream wrote:I wouldn't be surprised. I think parents and kids are like owners and dogs.

Except you need a license to own a dog,(and some breeds are becoming illegal to own) yet anyone can breed obnoxious children. Where is the sense in that?

If I acted like that as a child, my 5'2'' Mother would get the coal shovel out... We learned quick.

Um, you don't have to have a license to own a dog, idiot! =\

Not only are you wrong, but you're wrong and rude. I won't say you're an idiot. Saying you're an idiot would be rude. But if I were to say that you were an idiot, I would do it in big bold capital letters. Moving on, because saying you were in fact an idiot for being not only incorrect, but rude, just isn't on-topic anymore...

In the City Soundstang lives in, you do in fact need a license to own a dog.

Next time, think before you type, or someone might just end up calling you an idiot, which is rude and something I would NEVER do.

My dad, who's house I lived in, owns two dogs, onme of which was mine except I didn't want it. And no liscense was required. So, obviously, you do not need a liscense to own a dog.

In addition, a human being (human person; that being, not a corporation) cannot legally be required to have a liscense for ANYTHING, which means that even if there WAS such a law, it would be an illegal law and therefore owning a dog or any other item would still not require a liscense.

And calling somebody an idiot is not rude, if they are an idiot.

mewgirl wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:

mewgirl wrote:

SoundStang wrote:

Zombie Starscream wrote:I wouldn't be surprised. I think parents and kids are like owners and dogs.

Except you need a license to own a dog,(and some breeds are becoming illegal to own) yet anyone can breed obnoxious children. Where is the sense in that?

If I acted like that as a child, my 5'2'' Mother would get the coal shovel out... We learned quick.

Um, you don't have to have a license to own a dog, idiot! =\

Not only are you wrong, but you're wrong and rude. I won't say you're an idiot. Saying you're an idiot would be rude. But if I were to say that you were an idiot, I would do it in big bold capital letters. Moving on, because saying you were in fact an idiot for being not only incorrect, but rude, just isn't on-topic anymore...

In the City Soundstang lives in, you do in fact need a license to own a dog.

Next time, think before you type, or someone might just end up calling you an idiot, which is rude and something I would NEVER do.

My dad, who's house I lived in, owns two dogs, onme of which was mine except I didn't want it. And no liscense was required. So, obviously, you do not need a liscense to own a dog.

In addition, a human being (human person; that being, not a corporation) cannot legally be required to have a liscense for ANYTHING, which means that even if there WAS such a law, it would be an illegal law and therefore owning a dog or any other item would still not require a liscense.

And calling somebody an idiot is not rude, if they are an idiot.

I'm going to really try to refrain from Mod-smacking you, but here we go:

1. Upon investigation into the city of Schaumburg, IL, you DO need a license in order to own pets while living in the city. The fee is a measily $4.00 and can be found on this page. I can't direct link to the page, but look up Chapter 92.15 to see that licenses are required and Chapter 41.01 to see the fee chart. Currently, your dad owns two unlicensed dogs ILLEGALLY. Pay the $8.00 total and that problem is solved.

2. Last time I checked, I need a license to drive a car from the DMV, a license to go fishing or hunting from the DNR, or a license to marry from the state. To put it bluntly, that entire paragraph was WRONG. As an adult, you will need a license to do a lot of things.

3. Ever hear of the phrase, "People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones"?

4. Necro-bumping this thread after several months of inactivity is a violation and you are being warned accordingly. This will be forwarded to an Admin.

With all of that said. Have a nice day.

And so the wave continues to roll in. And I have something to do. Yay!