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Caelus wrote:

Predaprince wrote:And that is that writer ASSUMING that the new place is Atlantis, it may still be about the Fountain of Youth though.

A) I assumed when they said "Lost World" they meant The Lost World of Conan Doyle.

B) Would the fountain of youth (something which confers immortality) not be surrounded by creatures that should have been long dead?

I hadn't thought of that, but I agree with it. The pirates have already fought Davy Jones, his crew, and the Krakeen(SP?). Why have them now fight Mer-people. Instead, they find the Lost World and fight new creatures.

Counterpunch wrote:

Sonray wrote:

Counterpunch wrote::?

What.

Did the writers just play Final Fantasy 10 or something?

Airships...

Lord.

Walking talking skeletons and guys with fish on their faces and an old ship that can dive underwater and surface like a modern day sub is all very beleieveable but an airplane or airship is what is gonna ruin it for you?

Keep rolling your eyes. You're snippy retort is about to be countered in 3

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Predaprince wrote:Yes, because these movies are suppose to be about PIRATES.

Exactly.

Thank you.

I love the smell of vindication in the morning.

Errr......dumb.

Incase you didnt notice the film is still about Pirates, but with new enemies and allies.

Christ...

Like i said you can accept freaking walking skeletons and davy jones, but jules verne type characters and technology is whats gonna be the most unbeleivable stuff?

Thats just stupid if you ask me, open your mind a bit.

Sonray wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:

Sonray wrote:

Counterpunch wrote::?

What.

Did the writers just play Final Fantasy 10 or something?

Airships...

Lord.

Walking talking skeletons and guys with fish on their faces and an old ship that can dive underwater and surface like a modern day sub is all very beleieveable but an airplane or airship is what is gonna ruin it for you?

Keep rolling your eyes. You're snippy retort is about to be countered in 3

2

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Predaprince wrote:Yes, because these movies are suppose to be about PIRATES.

Exactly.

Thank you.

I love the smell of vindication in the morning.

Errr......dumb.

Incase you didnt notice the film is still about Pirates, but with new enemies and allies.

Christ...

Like i said you can accept freaking walking skeletons and davy jones, but jules verne type characters and technology is whats gonna be the most unbeleivable stuff?

Thats just stupid if you ask me, open your mind a bit.

Ghost Pirates, Davy Jones, and the British Navy are viable enemies of Pirates. How is a guy flying around in an airship related to pirates? Our minds aren't closed; we accept everything that the three movies have done because the enemies connect with the pirates and the overall stories.

Predaprince wrote:

Sonray wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:

Sonray wrote:

Counterpunch wrote::?

What.

Did the writers just play Final Fantasy 10 or something?

Airships...

Lord.

Walking talking skeletons and guys with fish on their faces and an old ship that can dive underwater and surface like a modern day sub is all very beleieveable but an airplane or airship is what is gonna ruin it for you?

Keep rolling your eyes. You're snippy retort is about to be countered in 3

2

1

Predaprince wrote:Yes, because these movies are suppose to be about PIRATES.

Exactly.

Thank you.

I love the smell of vindication in the morning.

Errr......dumb.

Incase you didnt notice the film is still about Pirates, but with new enemies and allies.

Christ...

Like i said you can accept freaking walking skeletons and davy jones, but jules verne type characters and technology is whats gonna be the most unbeleivable stuff?

Thats just stupid if you ask me, open your mind a bit.

Ghost Pirates, Davy Jones, and the British Navy are viable enemies of Pirates. How is a guy flying around in an airship related to pirates?

Its called story legends of the sea? 20.000 leagues under the sea is an obvious legendary story to use for material in a POTC movie.

Lighten up, it'll be lots of fun. (if they make it)

I cant help but feel this will turn into another one of those dumb prime and his face plate/exposed moving parts idiotic arguements again...

Sonray wrote:

Predaprince wrote:

Sonray wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:

Sonray wrote:

Counterpunch wrote::?

What.

Did the writers just play Final Fantasy 10 or something?

Airships...

Lord.

Walking talking skeletons and guys with fish on their faces and an old ship that can dive underwater and surface like a modern day sub is all very beleieveable but an airplane or airship is what is gonna ruin it for you?

Keep rolling your eyes. You're snippy retort is about to be countered in 3

2

1

Predaprince wrote:Yes, because these movies are suppose to be about PIRATES.

Exactly.

Thank you.

I love the smell of vindication in the morning.

Errr......dumb.

Incase you didnt notice the film is still about Pirates, but with new enemies and allies.

Christ...

Like i said you can accept freaking walking skeletons and davy jones, but jules verne type characters and technology is whats gonna be the most unbeleivable stuff?

Thats just stupid if you ask me, open your mind a bit.

Ghost Pirates, Davy Jones, and the British Navy are viable enemies of Pirates. How is a guy flying around in an airship related to pirates?

Its called story legends of the sea? 20.000 leagues under the sea is an obvious legendary story to use for material in a POTC movie.

Lighten up, it'll be lots of fun. (if they make it)

I cant help but feel this will turn into another one of those dumb prime and his face plate/exposed moving parts idiotic arguements again...

I'm not trying to start an argument, but a little warning for you. If you're goal is to converse with others who have different opinions, don't say they are acting stupid with closed minds just because of their opinions different from your own. I don't truly know what would come from a POTC movie with an airship villian, but I don't have the good feeling of it that you do. I'm not saying that I'm right and you are wrong and I hope that you do not do so from now on.

Thank you.

Im sorry i just hate it when people take movies too seriously. They are called movies after all, not documentaries. They are made as entertainment and are ment to take us places and see things that we can never go to or see for real. Its the magic of cinema. Im passionate about film and i have strong feelings about them. And it especially annoys me that people are already ripping this film to shreds based on a few rumours and it isnt even in production yet.

Thats my main complaint, and as i said i have a passion for film so i tend to get more emotional about films than a normal person.

Sonray wrote:Im sorry i just hate it when people take movies too seriously. They are called movies after all, not documentaries. They are made as entertainment and are ment to take us places and see things that we can never go to or see for real. Its the magic of cinema. Im passionate about film and i have strong feelings about them. And it especially annoys me that people are already ripping this film to shreds based on a few rumours and it isnt even in production yet.

Thats my main complaint, and as i said i have a passion for film so i tend to get more emotional about films than a normal person.

true. I dont see ppl complaning about lord of the rings that has midgets, wizards, and weird ppl. but yet they bag on pirates instead of other films.

Mr.RobotAutoMan wrote:

Sonray wrote:Im sorry i just hate it when people take movies too seriously. They are called movies after all, not documentaries. They are made as entertainment and are ment to take us places and see things that we can never go to or see for real. Its the magic of cinema. Im passionate about film and i have strong feelings about them. And it especially annoys me that people are already ripping this film to shreds based on a few rumours and it isnt even in production yet.

Thats my main complaint, and as i said i have a passion for film so i tend to get more emotional about films than a normal person.

true. I dont see ppl complaning about lord of the rings that has midgets, wizards, and weird ppl. but yet they bag on pirates instead of other films.

You're missing the point.

Airships are NOT something you regulary associate with pirates.

And I don't see what's so unusual about people ripping a movie to shreds before it's even started production, same thing happened for a certain movie that opens in 11 days that this fandom is interested in.

Burn wrote:

Mr.RobotAutoMan wrote:

Sonray wrote:Im sorry i just hate it when people take movies too seriously. They are called movies after all, not documentaries. They are made as entertainment and are ment to take us places and see things that we can never go to or see for real. Its the magic of cinema. Im passionate about film and i have strong feelings about them. And it especially annoys me that people are already ripping this film to shreds based on a few rumours and it isnt even in production yet.

Thats my main complaint, and as i said i have a passion for film so i tend to get more emotional about films than a normal person.

true. I dont see ppl complaning about lord of the rings that has midgets, wizards, and weird ppl. but yet they bag on pirates instead of other films.

You're missing the point.

Airships are NOT something you regulary associate with pirates.

And I don't see what's so unusual about people ripping a movie to shreds before it's even started production, same thing happened for a certain movie that opens in 11 days that this fandom is interested in.

Its not unusual i agree, but that doesnt justify doing so or make participating in it a fair and intelligent thing to do.

Sonray wrote:

Burn wrote:

Mr.RobotAutoMan wrote:

Sonray wrote:Im sorry i just hate it when people take movies too seriously. They are called movies after all, not documentaries. They are made as entertainment and are ment to take us places and see things that we can never go to or see for real. Its the magic of cinema. Im passionate about film and i have strong feelings about them. And it especially annoys me that people are already ripping this film to shreds based on a few rumours and it isnt even in production yet.

Thats my main complaint, and as i said i have a passion for film so i tend to get more emotional about films than a normal person.

true. I dont see ppl complaning about lord of the rings that has midgets, wizards, and weird ppl. but yet they bag on pirates instead of other films.

You're missing the point.

Airships are NOT something you regulary associate with pirates.

And I don't see what's so unusual about people ripping a movie to shreds before it's even started production, same thing happened for a certain movie that opens in 11 days that this fandom is interested in.

Its not unusual i agree, but that doesnt justify doing so or make participating in it a fair and intelligent thing to do.

Seeing as how you are making yourself out to be the arbiter of fair and intelligent conversation...

How about you go about and find some reference to flying airships in pirate 'lore' and 'mythology'?

As has been clearly (and thus far, politely stated) by several people, that the existing POTC movie elements (crustaceans, curses, skeletons, et al) are all some how and in some way based, if not wholly, at least by reference, in pirate mythology.

So, since I made such an egregious attack on your all time favorite movie, you now have the opportunity to tell me why the greatest pirate movie of all time has to resort to 'airships' and what maybe other impositions on our already suspended disbelief.

Yes, the movie is about creating an experience.

So is ice cream.

Ice cream is a great experience. You can add chocolate, nuts, syrup, and all other manner of good foods to it and make it better.

You could also add a delicious steak to your ice cream. Steak is good, if not better than ice cream. So, in theory, this new food experience should be great.

But alas, it was a stupid combination, never really meant for human consumption.

I’m sure the point has been made in that off hand analogy, but just to clarify…and godalmighty, I hate having to clarify…

Adding cool space ships, time travel, and airships, and monsters, and naked women, and and and…

Only serves to give you a plate of crap in the end.

(Now, that being said, if it works in the movie, it works and I’ll watch it. Until then, the burden of proof falls upon the idea maker to explain exactly why pizza-cream, or in this case Pirates of the Friendly Skies, will work.)

errr ... personally if you add naked women to ice-cream I don't see how you can end up with a plate of crap.

A big mess maybe.

When you people complain about airships are you thinking about flying as in aerial age airships or are you thinking about sailing the skys as in naval age air ships. I know its nitpicking but the concpet of the "air ship" existed in story and mythical form lonnnggggg before the invention of modern or even semi modern air machines. In fact these mythalogical ships capable of "sailing" the skys are where the term airship comes from.

Burn wrote:errr ... personally if you add naked women to ice-cream I don't see how you can end up with a plate of crap.

A big mess maybe.

or both!

If it's one of those German videos...

Jar Axel wrote:When you people complain about airships are you thinking about flying as in aerial age airships or are you thinking about sailing the skys as in naval age air ships. I know its nitpicking but the concpet of the "air ship" existed in story and mythical form lonnnggggg before the invention of modern or even semi modern air machines. In fact these mythalogical ships capable of "sailing" the skys are where the term airship comes from.

Thaankyou.

Counterpunch wrote:

Sonray wrote:

Burn wrote:

Mr.RobotAutoMan wrote:

Sonray wrote:Im sorry i just hate it when people take movies too seriously. They are called movies after all, not documentaries. They are made as entertainment and are ment to take us places and see things that we can never go to or see for real. Its the magic of cinema. Im passionate about film and i have strong feelings about them. And it especially annoys me that people are already ripping this film to shreds based on a few rumours and it isnt even in production yet.

Thats my main complaint, and as i said i have a passion for film so i tend to get more emotional about films than a normal person.

true. I dont see ppl complaning about lord of the rings that has midgets, wizards, and weird ppl. but yet they bag on pirates instead of other films.

You're missing the point.

Airships are NOT something you regulary associate with pirates.

And I don't see what's so unusual about people ripping a movie to shreds before it's even started production, same thing happened for a certain movie that opens in 11 days that this fandom is interested in.

Its not unusual i agree, but that doesnt justify doing so or make participating in it a fair and intelligent thing to do.

Seeing as how you are making yourself out to be the arbiter of fair and intelligent conversation...

How about you go about and find some reference to flying airships in pirate 'lore' and 'mythology'?

As has been clearly (and thus far, politely stated) by several people, that the existing POTC movie elements (crustaceans, curses, skeletons, et al) are all some how and in some way based, if not wholly, at least by reference, in pirate mythology.

So, since I made such an egregious attack on your all time favorite movie, you now have the opportunity to tell me why the greatest pirate movie of all time has to resort to 'airships' and what maybe other impositions on our already suspended disbelief.

Yes, the movie is about creating an experience.

So is ice cream.

Ice cream is a great experience. You can add chocolate, nuts, syrup, and all other manner of good foods to it and make it better.

You could also add a delicious steak to your ice cream. Steak is good, if not better than ice cream. So, in theory, this new food experience should be great.

But alas, it was a stupid combination, never really meant for human consumption.

I’m sure the point has been made in that off hand analogy, but just to clarify…and godalmighty, I hate having to clarify…

Adding cool space ships, time travel, and airships, and monsters, and naked women, and and and…

Only serves to give you a plate of crap in the end.

(Now, that being said, if it works in the movie, it works and I’ll watch it. Until then, the burden of proof falls upon the idea maker to explain exactly why pizza-cream, or in this case Pirates of the Friendly Skies, will work.)

Your sarcastic remarks dont make you any friends here, nor does it make what you are trying to say any mroe intelligent.

The fact i am trying to get accross is that it is just a movie and NOT, i repeat, NOT a documentary. Out of all the things that are over the top in movies (giant alien robots for one), from star wars to star trek, movies about mummies and vampires, stuff about zombies and movies about talking fish and every superhero movie ever made, a possible air ship in a POTC movie (not just a pirate movie, as POTC has created its own genre which allowes ANYTHING to be possible) is the one thing that you cant shift your brain into nuetral for and accept?

And again the fact remains that these are just rumours. Besides whats so bad about some enemy or ally having an airship in a time where humans are starting to make global maps of the world, and exploring all the seas and discovering all the continents. Why cant technology progress in a POTC movie? Besides, like somebody already said, flying air ships have been around for a loooong time.

Oh and just so you know its not my all time fave movie, that would be The Matrix. I just think your reasoning behind this is a bit childish and unfair.

Sonray wrote:Your sarcastic remarks dont make you any friends here,

*gasp* CP has no friends here?

More ice-cream and naked chicks for me then!

Sonray wrote:Your sarcastic remarks dont make you any friends here, nor does it make what you are trying to say any mroe intelligent.

Point taken.

The fact i am trying to get accross is that it is just a movie and NOT, i repeat, NOT a documentary. Out of all the things that are over the top in movies (giant alien robots for one), from star wars to star trek, movies about mummies and vampires, stuff about zombies and movies about talking fish and every superhero movie ever made, a possible air ship in a POTC movie (not just a pirate movie, as POTC has created its own genre which allowes ANYTHING to be possible) is the one thing that you cant shift your brain into nuetral for and accept?

And again the fact remains that these are just rumours. Besides whats so bad about some enemy or ally having an airship in a time where humans are starting to make global maps of the world, and exploring all the seas and discovering all the continents. Why cant technology progress in a POTC movie? Besides, like somebody already said, flying air ships have been around for a loooong time.

Oh and just so you know its not my all time fave movie, that would be The Matrix. I just think your reasoning behind this is a bit childish and unfair.

You know...

For someone who wants to have an "intelligent", "fair", and "rational" discussion, you sure do throw a lot of insults around.

Now, I've teased you and given you a hard time about your opinions, but not once have I said something personal about you. I haven't called you retarded or childish or anything of that nature. You seem to think I'm getting away with something by stating my opinion, calling people on their argumentative fallacies, and not backing down.

If you take a moment to look, I've made a clear concession in my last statement that the whole 'fanciful' addition to POTC could very well work. I said that those who are implementing those ideas have the burden of proof that these would in fact be good ideas.

Now, simply because I have not caved in and agreed with you after you attempted to take the academic "high-road" by saying my statements are un-intelligent, does not make it so.

It's my right to say when something sucks. It's my right to voice my opinion that the direction mentioned for the potentially upcoming POTC movie is going to be trite and derivative.

It's your right and opinion to say that it isn't.

I'm pretty sure from some of your other posts that you're feeling burned about people attacking the TF movie early on. What you are failing to realize is that the comparison is not valid. Now, if they had added Transformers to the new movie that were powered by magic or something else out of the boundaries the TF context, it would be a valid comparison.

The issue at hand is not with the subject matter of the discussion, it's with the context by which that subject matter is being implemented into the media.

Burn wrote:

Sonray wrote:Your sarcastic remarks dont make you any friends here,

*gasp* CP has no friends here?

More ice-cream and naked chicks for me then!

Hey spread the wealth!

So now you have to resort to pointing out typos to continue your arguement? Real mature!

You are just spewing out garbage now, and thats not an insult.

Go watch the discovery channel or something then since you obviously cant grasp the idea of celluloid entertainment.

Im done with you, its pointless to continue.

I watch the Discovery Channel AND enjoy a good movie!

Burn wrote:I watch the Discovery Channel AND enjoy a good movie!

good for you! I watch and enjoy BOTH!

Burn wrote:

Sonray wrote:Your sarcastic remarks dont make you any friends here,

*gasp* CP has no friends here?

Everyone likes that bastard Punch better.

...and I'm the one that proposed deregulating the required clothing for women as well as instituting mandatory Monday morning ice cream.

In other news, thanks for the debate Sonray. You're my new favorite poster.

(Jealous yet Burn? hrm? )

Counterpunch wrote:

Burn wrote:

Sonray wrote:Your sarcastic remarks dont make you any friends here,

*gasp* CP has no friends here?

Everyone likes that bastard Punch better.

...and I'm the one that proposed deregulating the required clothing for women as well as instituting mandatory Monday morning ice cream.

In other news, thanks for the debate Sonray. You're my new favorite poster.


(Jealous yet Burn? hrm? )

Anything for that precious post counter!

Sonray wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:

Burn wrote:

Sonray wrote:Your sarcastic remarks dont make you any friends here,

*gasp* CP has no friends here?

Everyone likes that bastard Punch better.

...and I'm the one that proposed deregulating the required clothing for women as well as instituting mandatory Monday morning ice cream.

In other news, thanks for the debate Sonray. You're my new favorite poster.


(Jealous yet Burn? hrm? )

Anything for that precious post counter!

You know what? You want to be an ass to me? Fine.

Take it to the PMs and leave it out of the threads.

Counterpunch should of been a mod